Legislative Branch v. Executive Branch.
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”We” are NOT a democracy. “We” are a constitutional republic of states. Therefore, the popular vote is NOT our process. And ALL states are represented. The electoral college is our greatest component that has literally held this nation together for 243 years. Without it, this country would literally fall apart. I guarantee you this country would’ve collapsed without it. California and New York have no business deciding what’s best for this country. So, yes, “We” did speak in 2016.
He is your President. Do you think Brennan pleads the 5th or begs for a plea deal ?
Yes, I know. But when you say "we spoke in 2016", that's speaking of the popular vote. The Electoral College spoke.
You can NOT guarantee that we would have.........
Texas accounts for 38 electoral votes....why didn't you mention them? Oh, because they are a "Red" state......
Still not committing to an answer I see.....
....and to answer your question, I could care less what he does....I think this entire ordeal is a waste of time because the outcome will not be a vote to convict. Just voting Trump's a$$ out in 2020 will be good enough for me, and maybe prosecute him leaving the White House and send him to federal prison for the rest of his life. [winking]
This country is too diverse to have a popular vote be our deciding factor. California and Texas are perfect examples of highly populated areas that have literally nothing in common. West Virginia people cannot relate to a Californian. An Alaskan can’t relate to the Deep South. The electoral college was the most genius thing our founding fathers decided.
Trump's not the one going to prison. Your tribe better hope someone finds some pictures of Durham molesting collies.
Not to worry, the Democrats will use their worn out, stale playbook of sexual assault and/or racist allegations. Get ready to hear Barr and Durham used the “N” word or participated in some drunken fraternity gang bang. It’s beyond old
I never said anything about changing it to a popular vote. But the popular vote still states the opinion of the nation as a whole........even though the Electoral College decides......and the opinion was that Trump wasn't the best option.
I could post numerous articles showing it does happen. Your tribe would argue it doesn't. With all these Russians creeping around why risk it. You need an ID for cigarettes, beer, to drive, and many other things. Voter ID makes sense unless your trying to rig an election.
What you are missing, again, the popular vote does NOT represent the nation as a whole. The only way it would is if each state was exactly the same population, same culture and beliefs. Therefore, the popular vote is irrelevant. America is too diverse
Based on the federal court ruling yesterday, a formal resolution by the body of the House of Representatives is not necessary to undertake an impeachment inquiry or investigation. The court pointed out that neither the U.S. Constitution nor House rules require a resolution or vote to conduct the inquiry. As such, the administration’s and DOJ’s argument that the inquiry is illegitimate is not supported by law or House rules, and, therefore, a subpoena is not invalid on that ground alone. I phrase it that way simply because there are other ways to attack subpoenaes. As it stands now, those subpoenaes are valid. If memory serves me, the court’s discussion of this was somewhere around pages 45 - 50 of the issued opinion.
Unless yesterday’s federal ruling is overturned, that’s the law. If overturned, then obviously that’s not the law.
As to calling of witnesses, see a precious post where i gave my free (meaning valueless) opinion on that issue. In short, this is only an investigation, with no resultant finding of guilt or innocence. If it makes it to the Senate, there will be a trial and both sides will be allowed to call witnesses and cross-examine, etc.
What compels the Executive Branch to participate? One would hope respect for the Constitution and the rule of law. So far, the inquiry has been in compliance with the Constitution, according to the federal court opinion.
Is it coincidence the areas on the map that are blue are near the border? If Voter ID were required, I guarantee Hillary would not have won the popular vote. They were busing and paying loads of them to vote multiple times.
Agreed. The smear campaign against both has already begun. They're running interference for Trump to distract from his pending "impeachment"...They're partisan hacks just helping the GOP to build on its massive fund raising efforts, they're anti DOJ vigil antes who simply don't like to follow the Law and want to go around "accusing" folks just because they can...yada...yada...yada...
How do you know the Left is panicked? The smears on both are intensifying.
Thank you for that. Why in your opinion have Democrats decided to go this route, as opposed to the precedents set by the Watergate inquiry Chaired by Peter Rodino, and the Clinton inquiry under Newt Gingrich? In both of those instances, Democrats and Republicans equally participated in vetting witnesses, cross examining testimony, objecting to evidence, and counsel for both sides were present and also allowed to call rebuttal witnesses.
Why is all of that missing from this procedure in your opinion?
Pretty good read/analysis here on why the House has NOT taken a formal vote on this impeachment inquiry.
excerpts:
The House has no independent enforcement mechanism, so each time the House of Representative wants to send a subpoena with an enforcement bite – they need to go to the judicial branch (court system) for an enforceable order. However, notice in these letters the enforcement mechanism is internal. It is a self-fulfilling ‘obstruction‘ scheme. Speaker Pelosi does not want to engage the judicial branch, nor does she want to give the target (President Trump) the opportunity to engage the judicial branch, ie. court.
...more
The judiciary would likely upend her House committee “official impeachment inquiry” scheme, just as D.C. District Court Chief Judge Beryl Howell recently did to Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler for “gaming the system“. Speaker Pelosi’s unilateral decree for an “official impeachment inquiry” without a House vote will not pass court review.
Remember when Democrats were recently delegitimizing the Supreme Court through attacks against Justice Kavanaugh? Well, how likely is it that any legal test of this arbitrary “impeachment inquiry” is going to end up at SCOTUS? Things making more sense now… I digress.
As a result of all the above these are political subpoenas, demand letters as weapons; constructed for optimal political value, and framed to create obstruction articles of impeachment.
This is a carefully constructed subversion of the constitutional processes and procedures.
Full article
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...oenas-constructed-to-manufacture-obstruction/
excerpts:
The House has no independent enforcement mechanism, so each time the House of Representative wants to send a subpoena with an enforcement bite – they need to go to the judicial branch (court system) for an enforceable order. However, notice in these letters the enforcement mechanism is internal. It is a self-fulfilling ‘obstruction‘ scheme. Speaker Pelosi does not want to engage the judicial branch, nor does she want to give the target (President Trump) the opportunity to engage the judicial branch, ie. court.
...more
The judiciary would likely upend her House committee “official impeachment inquiry” scheme, just as D.C. District Court Chief Judge Beryl Howell recently did to Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler for “gaming the system“. Speaker Pelosi’s unilateral decree for an “official impeachment inquiry” without a House vote will not pass court review.
Remember when Democrats were recently delegitimizing the Supreme Court through attacks against Justice Kavanaugh? Well, how likely is it that any legal test of this arbitrary “impeachment inquiry” is going to end up at SCOTUS? Things making more sense now… I digress.
As a result of all the above these are political subpoenas, demand letters as weapons; constructed for optimal political value, and framed to create obstruction articles of impeachment.
This is a carefully constructed subversion of the constitutional processes and procedures.
Full article
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...oenas-constructed-to-manufacture-obstruction/
^^^^^This is exactly why you are so misinformed. You only read right-wing ********. They tell you what you want to hear. Judge Napolotano, The Dunedein and another poster the other night (keyser or moe) cited a n article and all have explained to you the House is following House rules established by the GOP and signed by Boehner in January 2015.
The current House is not violating the Constitution, not breaking the law and GOP members on the three committees all have had the opportunity to ask questions at every single deposition (dumb dave still doesn’t believe depositions have been occurring). Your stupidity (and dumb dave’s) is being manipulated by right-wing media ********.
(from linked article)
Speaker Pelosi’s unilateral decree for an “official impeachment inquiry” without a House vote will not pass court review.
*note: This is EXACTLY why Trump is advising members of staff NOT to comply with these demands for documents or appearances. They want Pelosi's decree challenged in court...for obvious reasons she does not.
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The Dems control the house do it on Monday. Senate will kill it. I just wanted to point out you used Judge Nap as a reference. He appears on the Alex Jones show all the time. :joy::joy::joy::joy:. Did Judge Judy weigh in also?
The politics of this Gunny as I have mentioned hinges on two critical factors. Dems have to convince the uninformed Trump is guilty of some sort of terrible crime. Then they have to convince enough Republicans that voting with Trump means defeat for them.
Tough nut to crack on latter, difficult hill to climb on former. Know why?
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Gunny...the Dems have to also convince Trump's supporters that he's a crook and needs to be removed from Office! That's not easy to do as those crowds show.
I like when I hear someone expressing my exact thoughts. I've been arguing this whole process hinges on Dems being able to sell this impeachment farse politically (since they don't have a case). This is why Nancy isn't going through the courts with a formal vote, this is why Schiff is holding "secret" testimony and selectively leaking the most damaging things about Trump.
It's all a giant political hit job...a smear campaign! I head Rush Limbaugh say the same thing a few days ago when I caught a portion of his daily radio show.
excerpting his take on this below:
(transcribed from Rush Limbaugh nationally syndicated radio show 10.23.19)
Rush:
"Impeachments are political. Trump’s approval number is not plummeting. There isn’t public support for getting rid of Donald Trump. I don’t care what Schiff has up his sleeve, Pelosi, don’t care what they’re trying. You can’t do this without public opinion. And this is what really has ’em frosted. After all of these years, with all these allegations, Trump’s approval number is still right there at 42% in the CNN poll, and they can’t believe it, and you can’t impeach somebody at 42%. Barack Obama was at the same number, 42% at this exact point in his first term.
But a reelected president, much easier. To impeach a president right before an election, way, way too political for the public and too worrisome for the opposition primary would be nominee. I mean, can you imagine the Democrat Party primaries and eventual nominee couldn’t get any news coverage if there was an actual impeachment going on. It would cover it. It would overwhelm it. The news media would spend zero time to the Democrat primary, especially now, when we all know that the Drive-By Media is distressed over the current field.
Bottom line. This is gonna drag out, folks. This is gonna keep going because there’s no other alternative for the Democrats. They’re gonna keep it going. They’re gonna drag it out beyond Christmas, the Christmas break. And the longer it goes, the more impetus I think it loses. Now, let’s not forget that we got Barr and Durham and Horowitz out there"
My sentiments EXACTLY Rush! Barr & Durham have now rolled a giant hand grenade under the Dems smear campaign. It gets much tougher for them to make this case politically with members of their own former Administration knee deep in a criminal plot to undermine Trump. Can't accuse him of being a crook and overlook the thugs in your own neighborhood.
No impeachment.
It's all a giant political hit job...a smear campaign! I head Rush Limbaugh say the same thing a few days ago when I caught a portion of his daily radio show.
excerpting his take on this below:
(transcribed from Rush Limbaugh nationally syndicated radio show 10.23.19)
Rush:
"Impeachments are political. Trump’s approval number is not plummeting. There isn’t public support for getting rid of Donald Trump. I don’t care what Schiff has up his sleeve, Pelosi, don’t care what they’re trying. You can’t do this without public opinion. And this is what really has ’em frosted. After all of these years, with all these allegations, Trump’s approval number is still right there at 42% in the CNN poll, and they can’t believe it, and you can’t impeach somebody at 42%. Barack Obama was at the same number, 42% at this exact point in his first term.
But a reelected president, much easier. To impeach a president right before an election, way, way too political for the public and too worrisome for the opposition primary would be nominee. I mean, can you imagine the Democrat Party primaries and eventual nominee couldn’t get any news coverage if there was an actual impeachment going on. It would cover it. It would overwhelm it. The news media would spend zero time to the Democrat primary, especially now, when we all know that the Drive-By Media is distressed over the current field.
Bottom line. This is gonna drag out, folks. This is gonna keep going because there’s no other alternative for the Democrats. They’re gonna keep it going. They’re gonna drag it out beyond Christmas, the Christmas break. And the longer it goes, the more impetus I think it loses. Now, let’s not forget that we got Barr and Durham and Horowitz out there"
My sentiments EXACTLY Rush! Barr & Durham have now rolled a giant hand grenade under the Dems smear campaign. It gets much tougher for them to make this case politically with members of their own former Administration knee deep in a criminal plot to undermine Trump. Can't accuse him of being a crook and overlook the thugs in your own neighborhood.
No impeachment.
Are you crazy? The popular vote absolutely represents the national opinion on issues/politicians.
You are really mentally challenged for stating this. A lot of Mexican-Americans who LEGALLY became American citizens live along the border.
Do you support voter ID ? If not what are some reasons you would be against it ?
You'll be shocked with the answer (and prior posts will prove I've had this belief for a while).........
YES......I do support it.......however, for you and others to try to throw voter fraud to the Democrats.....all you need is a reminder of the North Carolina scandal........who did that?
Both have been guilty. So let's get some laws implemented and put a stop to it. Dems more so though.
No, you’re just a misinformed moron. If I’m wrong, why does the Democrats resist voter ID? We require ID for firearms, alcohol, driver’s license etc. Stop being an idiot and use your brain. Unless YOU are mentally challenged
I could post hundreds of articles like this from CA, NY, and Chicago throughout the years but we all know what's really going on. Let's pass nationwide voter ID laws and keep both sides honest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Indictments-Charge-Widespread-Voting-Fraud-Scheme-in-Los-Angeles-511971752.html?amp=y
Again, no complaint by me. But what is irritating is how SILENT you guys are when stories like the one in North Carolina breaks.........we hear NOTHING from the Republicans.
I have called for Republicans to be held accountable. My problem is not with classic liberals who vote Democrat. It's with the radical Socialist/Communist who hijacked the party years ago.