Lebron's son suffers heart attack

dave

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Maybe in your area, but it’s been prevalent outside of WV for a long time, they were going year round in FL 25 years ago.
Pro athletes have been going 365 for decades. Medical exams have always been part of the deal but the number of issues the last 3 years just among pro athletes is significant.
 

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Pro athletes have been going 365 for decades. Medical exams have always been part of the deal but the number of issues the last 3 years just among pro athletes is significant.
It’s more likely due to a number of factors that include supplements and other performance enhancing drugs. Examples include players like Tom Brady and LeBron James performing at high levels into their late 30’s and 40’s. It’s not normal.
 

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Maybe in your area, but it’s been prevalent outside of WV for a long time, they were going year round in FL 25 years ago.
Yes. While other states and areas are now just catching up, leading to more and more youth sports participants to exhaust their growing bodies by the time they get to 18 years old. I've seen it first hand with my own kids.
 

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You are just trying way too hard and ignoring the obvious.
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm opened up to finding out what is the cause, instead of making the blanket claim of "it's the vaccine" without any actual proof.
 

dave

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It’s more likely due to a number of factors that include supplements and other performance enhancing drugs. Examples include players like Tom Brady and LeBron James performing at high levels into their late 30’s and 40’s. It’s not normal.
Guys are not falling over because of supplements.
 

dave

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I'm not ignoring anything. I'm opened up to finding out what is the cause, instead of making the blanket claim of "it's the vaccine" without any actual proof.
It's funny. Nobody said a blanket it's the vaccine. People are saying it is pretty obvious it is and you are trying to make it about anything except the vaccine.
 

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It's funny. Nobody said a blanket it's the vaccine. People are saying it is pretty obvious it is and you are trying to make it about anything except the vaccine.
So, by saying "pretty obvious", that is not a blanket statement? But by me suggesting it COULD be a combination of many things, and also could be the vaccine, that is me trying to point at anything else except the vaccine? Come on, Dave.
 

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Did players (young) not have heart related situations during sporting events prior to COVID? It could be any combination of supplements that he (and others training) were taking from over-the-counter. Could also be the vaccine. Who knows?
I will say, based on personal experience with thousands of patients during the time of COVID and receiving the vaccination, I have not had a single clotting event that could be attributed to the vaccine. Now granted none were 18 year old athletes. My money is on physiology, trauma to the lower extremity, clotting disorder (he is black), recreational drug use (cocaine), or simply idiopathic. IMO, it is not on the vaccine.
 

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So, by saying "pretty obvious", that is not a blanket statement? But by me suggesting it COULD be a combination of many things, and also could be the vaccine, that is me trying to point at anything else except the vaccine? Come on, Dave.
Saying it is pretty obvious is not a blanket statement. Pretending it can be things that are extremely unlikely is dumb too. So come on what? Wake up and go back to sleep grandpa
 

dave

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I will say, based on personal experience with thousands of patients during the time of COVID and receiving the vaccination, I have not had a single clotting event that could be attributed to the vaccine. Now granted none were 18 year old athletes. My money is on physiology, trauma to the lower extremity, clotting disorder (he is black), recreational drug use (cocaine), or simply idiopathic. IMO, it is not on the vaccine.
I think the clotting issues are probably genetic like most clotting issues. My fear is people with undiagnosed clotting issues having their issue being aggravated by all vaccines or pharma. I have a genetic clotting issue. I take rat poison for life. I was lucky because I only had a minor PE.
 

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Saying it is pretty obvious is not a blanket statement. Pretending it can be things that are extremely unlikely is dumb too. So come on what? Wake up and go back to sleep grandpa
So working out a young body more than usual would have no impact on a person's cardiovascular condition? Taking OTC supplements during these excessive workouts would not have any impact on a person's cardiovascular condition? Again, Dave, come on.
 

dave

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So working out a young body more than usual would have no impact on a person's cardiovascular condition? Taking OTC supplements during these excessive workouts would not have any impact on a person's cardiovascular condition? Again, Dave, come on.
Working out more than normal should increase and help someone's cardiovascular health. Working out a lot isn't a new thing. The heart issues were a pretty flat curve until 2021.
 

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Working out more than normal should increase and help someone's cardiovascular health. Working out a lot isn't a new thing. The heart issues were a pretty flat curve until 2021.
Really? Flat curve until 2021?

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.108.804617
 
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So working out a young body more than usual would have no impact on a person's cardiovascular condition? Taking OTC supplements during these excessive workouts would not have any impact on a person's cardiovascular condition? Again, Dave, come on.
I would say, which OTC supplements? This is Lebron's son, likely medically evaluated prior to all this more so than your average HS pre-college athletic. Bronny is an elite athlete. His functional capacity to play basketball to the degree he did likely led to a fantastically comprehensive evaluation. OTC supplements...............I personally have doubt this is associatively causative, but it could be if the amount was excessive or combined with other substances.
 

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If we find out that the vaccine is at fault for this all involved with the mandates and lies or cover-up should be violently executed.
 

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If we find out that the vaccine is at fault for this all involved with the mandates and lies or cover-up should be violently executed.
Executed? Nah. I say just open up lawsuits to bankrupt Pfizer, J&J, Moderna, etc. That would hurt worse because it would also punish the POLITICIANS that own stock in these companies and made millions.
 

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Executed? Nah. I say just open up lawsuits to bankrupt Pfizer, J&J, Moderna, etc. That would hurt worse because it would also punish the POLITICIANS that own stock in these companies and made millions.
I say bankrupt and watch them eat each other than violently execute them . Yeah do the whole mental anguish thing before ripping them apart slowly or doing the bone tomahawk method
 

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I don't try to get in anyone's good graces. I'm my own person. I think it is premature to start lumping the heart related situations in on one thing (vaccine), when times have changed so much compared to 10 years ago. More and more youth sports are going year round, no offseason, training non-stop, OTC supplements, energy drinks, etc. etc.
You can eliminate the noise with a proper study. My guess is there is a more likely chance of blood clots from the vaccine. However, are fat people more likely to have it than thin people? Things like that need to be answered.
 

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So, by saying "pretty obvious", that is not a blanket statement? But by me suggesting it COULD be a combination of many things, and also could be the vaccine, that is me trying to point at anything else except the vaccine? Come on, Dave.
A proper case study needs to be performed.
 

dave

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Defending? Simply pointing out THAT fact by using her as the example. BOTH sides are corrupt.
Did you even read my post? You just repeated what I said and acted like you made a point. And yes. By trying to pretend everyone does it is defending Gates.
 

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Did you even read my post? You just repeated what I said and acted like you made a point. And yes. By trying to pretend everyone does it is defending Gates.
Or....it's calling out the problem that BOTH are doing and benefiting from. Instead of just saying one side, like what was being posted.
 

dave

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Does that include Trump? Greene is one of his biggest supporters.
Until you are capable of accepting the obvious and choose instead to do this constant retard **** you are doing now I am just going to consider you too stupid to understand