Lebby and Taylor

ronpolk

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I’ve been in the camp of firing Lebby for a long time. I think Lebby is a good OC but he’s in over his head as a HC.

But if Taylor and Lebby are a package deal for next year, I’m ok bringing Lebby back. I think Taylor is a special player that does not come to state very often. He will bring us a lot of exposure next year and in the future when he’s a starting NFL QB.

With that said, I’d definitely be asking Taylor’s family if he’s willing to give a new coach a shot. I think if a new coach knows they are walking into having Taylor, it’ll be an attractive job.
 

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They weren't at first, but I think they are now. No matter what happens this year, I think we are giving Lenny another year, and unfortunately I do support that. Really the only option at this point, have to hope we get lucky next year with injuries.

If we go to making changes, we aren't going to hold this team together.
 

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They weren't at first, but I think they are now. No matter what happens this year, I think we are giving Lenny another year, and unfortunately I do support that. Really the only option at this point, have to hope we get lucky next year with injuries.

If we go to making changes, we aren't going to hold this team together.
Question:

Outside of possibly 10 players, what about this team do you want to ”hold…together”?
 

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Question:

Outside of possibly 10 players, what about this team do you want to ”hold…together”?
Well, just saw what could maybe be possible in the first 4 games. And I don't trust Selmon to make a better hire. Plus, coaching changes are traumatic, even in this era. I think it would be silly to assume Taylor would stay for his draft season, especially if the other players start making moves.

I don't like a lot about this situation, but it's so 17ed up I'm just hoping for the Indians to maybe smile on us.
 
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ronpolk

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Question:

Where did this Lebby-Taylor package deal theory come from? Did they have a Step Brothers moment this year that created this nonsense? Why would KT want to stick to a guy that couldn’t find him an OL to protect him after three years of time?
I don’t know that they are. It’s very possible that Taylor would stay no matter who the coach is. But if I put myself in Taylor’s shoes, I’d definitely want to play in an offense I spent the last 2 years learning while I’m trying to be a first round pick.
 

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I don’t know that they are. It’s very possible that Taylor would stay no matter who the coach is. But if I put myself in Taylor’s shoes, I’d definitely want to play in an offense I spent the last 2 years learning while I’m trying to be a first round pick.
You’ve got to think that Kamario has more self confidence than to think only this offense makes him a great player. He’ll be a star in any offense if healthy and a competent coaching staff. Just gotta sell him on another vision better than the competition does. And being a lifetime Bulldog should help.
 

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Im sure Lebby won't be fired. He will be our coach next year. Im not a fan of firing coaches but I'm starting to come around to the opinion he just cant get it done. I dont blame him for the injury to Taylor but I do think its been mishandled. Im not a doctor but the interwebs tells me they 17ed this situation up. I get the " go one and 0 this week" but you have to plan for the whole season. Its not a one week season.
 
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patdog

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Im sure Lebby won't be fired. He will be our coach next year. Im not a fan of firing coaches but I'm starting to come around to the opinion he just cant get it done. I dont blame him for the injury to Taylor but I do think its been mishandled. Im not a doctor but the interwebs tells me they 17ed this situation up. I get the " go one and 0 this week" but you have to plan for the whole season. Its not a one week season.
As bad as that toe looked from the first snap vs Alabama I get the impression they probably should have just done the surgery 3 weeks ago.
 

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I’ve been in the camp of firing Lebby for a long time. I think Lebby is a good OC but he’s in over his head as a HC.

But if Taylor and Lebby are a package deal for next year, I’m ok bringing Lebby back. I think Taylor is a special player that does not come to state very often. He will bring us a lot of exposure next year and in the future when he’s a starting NFL QB.

With that said, I’d definitely be asking Taylor’s family if he’s willing to give a new coach a shot. I think if a new coach knows they are walking into having Taylor, it’ll be an attractive job.
Barring us losing out, Lebby isn't leaving. Again, he and ZS are besties and he'll get a pass due to K1's injury so any conjecture about a new coach is well, foolish.
 

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I would think if we fire Lebby and don't get a really good offense he will be at lsu in the spring. He may still be at lsu in the spring
 

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I’ve been in the camp of firing Lebby for a long time. I think Lebby is a good OC but he’s in over his head as a HC.

But if Taylor and Lebby are a package deal for next year, I’m ok bringing Lebby back. I think Taylor is a special player that does not come to state very often. He will bring us a lot of exposure next year and in the future when he’s a starting NFL QB.

With that said, I’d definitely be asking Taylor’s family if he’s willing to give a new coach a shot. I think if a new coach knows they are walking into having Taylor, it’ll be an attractive job.
Agree with this and I suspect it is true. Keep Lebby if I keeps KT. It might be hard to keep other players though as their success is also tied to KT. They are all gambling on his health for their success.
 
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Howiefeltersnstch

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As bad as that toe looked from the first snap vs Alabama I get the impression they probably should have just done the surgery 3 weeks ago.
Should have put the boot on and sat him 3 weeks. Might not have healed but that was the only fix to salvage the last 5 games or whatever. Its over now. Surgery time
 

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Well, just saw what could maybe be possible in the first 4 games. And I don't trust Selmon to make a better hire. Plus, coaching changes are traumatic, even in this era. I think it would be silly to assume Taylor would stay for his draft season, especially if the other players start making moves.

I don't like a lot about this situation, but it's so 17ed up I'm just hoping for the Indians to maybe smile on us.
The first four games were fun, but who knows if any out of Minnesota, South Carolina, or Missouri finish ranked. It's not like we beat Alabama, Georgia, and Ole Miss in those goes.
 

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The first four games were fun, but who knows if any out of Minnesota, South Carolina, or Missouri finish ranked. It's not like we beat Alabama, Georgia, and Ole Miss in those goes.
What I saw in the first four games was a talentless defense that played really hard, a horrible OL, and a phenomenal QB who could rise above it all sometimes, unless the offense was backed up inside its own 20.

That's not a recipe for success.
 

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I would think if we fire Lebby and don't get a really good offense he will be at lsu in the spring. He may still be at lsu in the spring
Despicable Me What GIF

Please explain?
 

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What I saw in the first four games was a talentless defense that played really hard, a horrible OL, and a phenomenal QB who could rise above it all sometimes, unless the offense was backed up inside its own 20.

That's not a recipe for success.
It was the number 1 offense in the SEC 4 weeks into the season. It wouldn’t have ended that way witha healthy K1, but let’s not act like we were awful on offense.

that’s not an endorsement by any means but let’s be honest about how good things were when we were healthy.
 
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Trojanbulldog19

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Despicable Me What GIF

Please explain?
LSU will be desperate for qb like Taylor to make sure they get that title they are paying for. If there is flux with Taylor thinking he can show off at msu to get high draft or stay healthy with no protection and having to run, he might go somewhere to be paid for sure and to be protected. I've had several lsu alumni tell me KT will be a high target for them they believe they can get if they want him
 

Bullldawg78

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LSU will be desperate for qb like Taylor to make sure they get that title they are paying for. If there is flux with Taylor thinking he can show off at msu to get high draft or stay healthy with no protection and having to run, he might go somewhere to be paid for sure and to be protected. I've had several lsu alumni tell me KT will be a high target for them they believe they can get if they want him
Lol sorry I thought you were referring to Lebby being at LSU, thought I missed some drama with Lane!
 
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ETK99

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LSU will be desperate for qb like Taylor to make sure they get that title they are paying for. If there is flux with Taylor thinking he can show off at msu to get high draft or stay healthy with no protection and having to run, he might go somewhere to be paid for sure and to be protected. I've had several lsu alumni tell me KT will be a high target for them they believe they can get if they want him
SMH
 

patdog

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It was the number 1 offense in the SEC 4 weeks into the season. It wouldn’t have ended that way witha healthy K1, but let’s not act like we were awful on offense.

that’s not an endorsement by any means but let’s be honest about how good things were when we were healthy.
Let’s also be honest about the fact that when losing 1 player makes that much of a difference it’s about the player not the coach.
 

BigDawg0074

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I’ve been in the camp of firing Lebby for a long time. I think Lebby is a good OC but he’s in over his head as a HC.

But if Taylor and Lebby are a package deal for next year, I’m ok bringing Lebby back. I think Taylor is a special player that does not come to state very often. He will bring us a lot of exposure next year and in the future when he’s a starting NFL QB.

With that said, I’d definitely be asking Taylor’s family if he’s willing to give a new coach a shot. I think if a new coach knows they are walking into having Taylor, it’ll be an attractive job.
Taylor committed before Lebby. If he’s as ride-or-die Bulldog as he says he is then he will stay. I think he ends up with a pro contract either way but a heisman is probably off the table. It’s hard to say though, a new coach could be a major upgrade in evaluation and overall cognitive ability to manage a game and a program. Taylor or no Taylor Jeff Lebby has to go, there’s no question about it. We all know it needs to be done and you must never delay an inevitable outcome on a decision like that.
 

BigDawg0074

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Barring us losing out, Lebby isn't leaving. Again, he and ZS are besties and he'll get a pass due to K1's injury so any conjecture about a new coach is well, foolish.
If Selmon can’t make such an obvious decision on this buffoon then take that choice out of his hands and dare him to buck. Mississippi State has won a lot of games long before those Sooners came in with their hand out and they haven’t produced jack shiz.
 

BigDawg0074

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LSU will be desperate for qb like Taylor to make sure they get that title they are paying for. If there is flux with Taylor thinking he can show off at msu to get high draft or stay healthy with no protection and having to run, he might go somewhere to be paid for sure and to be protected. I've had several lsu alumni tell me KT will be a high target for them they believe they can get if they want him
It’ll be eight figures, he’s turned down a high seven. If anybody would do it they would.
 
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thekimmer

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Here is another question. Could keeping Lebby be the reason we LOSE KT? Lebby didn't recruit KT. Arnett did. I also agree with Hadad despite his immense talent we cannot let a player influence a coaching decision.
 

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Here is another question. Could keeping Lebby be the reason we LOSE KT? Lebby didn't recruit KT. Arnett did. I also agree with Hadad despite his immense talent we cannot let a player influence a coaching decision.
No. He's familiar with the offense, got some good continuity. I wish we'd done that in 2018. Great seasons at MSU are hard to come by.
 

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They weren't at first, but I think they are now. No matter what happens this year, I think we are giving Lenny another year, and unfortunately I do support that. Really the only option at this point, have to hope we get lucky next year with injuries.

If we go to making changes, we aren't going to hold this team together.

They weren't at first, but I think they are now. No matter what happens this year, I think we are giving Lenny another year, and unfortunately I do support that. Really the only option at this point, have to hope we get lucky next year with injuries.

If we go to making changes, we aren't going to hold this team together.
This is the most measured and well thought out take I have read on this board in some time
 
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