Least we forget
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First of all "teacher" who calls others "tards", it's "Lest we forget" not "Least we forget" for crying out loud. 🫤
I almost feel sorry for you.
And your man crush on Trump becomes more obvious by the day.
And yes. We are all laughing at you, not with you. Well, except maybe giddy moe.
what's the relevance of this article? You against gay marriage?
Yes
It has been ruining America for 20 years.
Yes
It has been ruining America for 20 years.
So, in your view, our constitution only provides rights to heterosexual couples?
I would argue bigotry and ignorance are much bigger contributors to ruining America.
does it frighten you for some reason for two people who love each other and are committed to each other to have the legal status and rights granted by marriage?
What would you say to pedophiles or "minor attracted adults" as the left says. One can't say one is born gay without saying one is born a pedophile. No?
Does the Constitution protect pedophiles too? If not, why not?
Where is the line drawn?
It doesn't frighten me, I just don't agree with it. What's the problem with that?
I don't protest it nor do I hate homosexuals. Is it wrong to disagree?
I follow the science and God's word.
It's an abomination. However, I'm not the judge. Obey the laws of the land.
The law says they can marry. Have at it.
So that's that. I don't need to agree with it though.
Why do you think it's important that I agree with it?
WTF? you don't understand the difference between pedophilia and gay marriage? One is legal, the other is not.
and straight people are born having delusions of wanting to rape and kill people.. in your analogy that would say straight people who don't rape and kill are still bad because they were born straight..
c'mon man, surely you aren't that ignorant...or that big of an *******.. are you?
I don't think you need to agree to it... you have the right to believe whatever you want.. and I am glad you recognize that in a secular system such as ours, that the laws are not based on God's word...
I assume you are OK with women having equal rights, black people having equal rights? Just not gay people?
Do you support all Gay people or just the ones who vote Democrat? I'm asking because I've seen some hypocrisy from some of your tribe members when I have posted some of his work.
What's the law of man have to do with it?
Homosexuality was illegal at one point.
So people weren't born gay until it became legal?
If the rule is that you can be born gay, then you can't deny one can be born a pedophile. You do know the gay community is pushing that, right?
I see their conundrum. You can't claim you're born gay then condemn pedophilia. Neither is natural. Both go against science.
Reproduction organs, scientifically, are meant to reproduce. Homosexuality is not natural and goes against science, not just religion.
All that said...Why is it important to you or anyone, that I agree with the abomination? I don't hate them. I have friends who are gay.
I just disagree with them. So what?
Everyone deserves equal rights. Because I disagree with homosexuality, how does that affect gay people's lives? It's the law of the land. God tells us to obey the laws of the land. We aren't to judge.
That is God's job, not ours.
I obey the laws of the land whether I agree or disagree. I don't hate any group of people.
Why do you not give me the right to disagree?
You have the right to believe whatever you want, I think I already said that.. We just have different views.
c'mon dude.. at least be accurate if we're going to have a conversation .. otherwise you just come across to me as someone not able to have a mature conversation based on mutual respect... and I'm not wasting any more of my time on that silly BS
the original post of mine you responded to was about being against gay marriage, which you have acknowledged is the law and thus 'have at it', even though you don't agree with it.. Somehow you have now twisted that in your mind to me trying to take away your rights to disagree with homosexuality based on your personal religious belief system.. My post was not about religious laws (theocracy?) -- it was about our laws as a secular nation and whether or not gay people should have the rights of marriage.
yeah gunny I only support gay democrats.. those freaking gay republicans and independents can burn in hell... and who or what the f*ck is my "tribe"???
I was trying to have a serious discussion to understand alternative viewpoints on gay marriage, and instead it just devolves into this silly ****, as usual on this board... is that because you guys feel that threatened? damn snowflakes
100% agree and I respect your opinion.
I'll tell you this much, you are one of the best posters on here. Thank you for your well thought out opinions and debates. Thank you for considering mine.
I love debating with you. It makes me think about both sides.
I'm not sure, but I think you lean liberal and that's great. You're a true liberal, not a Leftist.
Liberal and conservatives can work things out. I just wish it were that simple today.
Socialists are a cancer to our great country. If true conservatives and true liberals could join to fight these idiots, we'd be so much better off.
You won't see me accusing you of being a bleater.
Agreed. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Our law gives them that right and law is law. It should now be a non-issue for all of us, agree or disagree. Period.
I don't think you will gain any support with that attitude.
Just answer the question. It's important to me to understand where you are coming from.
Is Andy a good journalist?
Do you think Richard Grenell was a good public servant?
well I wasn't really trying to gain support.. I was trying to understand views that were different than my own.. and in some ways to test my own views against what I learned I guess.. Although tempted a few times, I've tried to not cop an attitude on this board until your post.. which admittedly set me off a bit. I would have hoped that since we'd had other discussions on here that you knew that's where I was coming from.. and that as I've stated before I have voted both republican and democrat in my life, and I don't swear blind allegiance to either party or anyone other than my family..
As for Andy... I don't know anything about him so I don't have an opinion on him as a journalist.. As for Richard Grenell, he has an accomplished background but again I don't know enough about him to tell you if he was a good public servant or not..
if you are asking me to answer your original question of whether I support all gays or just those who vote Democrat .. we were talking about the legal rights of gay marriage.. I support all gay people (consenting adults) having those legal rights, regardless of political affiliation or voting record.
Is the journalist Andy gay (?) and that's why you were asking me if I support him and Grenell because they are both gay yet seemingly are on the opposite side of the aisle from me.... is that what you were asking? I completely support both of their rights to gay marriage as well as to believe whatever they want in terms of religion, politics, etc.. Whether they are gay or not (EDIT: or their political affiliation) would have no bearing on whether I thought they were a good journalist or public servant, respectively. I don't get your point if that's what you were asking
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Well you're definitely trying to sell gay marriage. I just saying people would respect your opinion more if you were just more honest about that and showed them the same respect you feel the gay community deserves.
Glad you have nothing personal against Andy. He's a hard working journalist who happens to be gay. I will share more of his work with you moving forward. I think he could open your eyes to a lot of what's going on with the left.
I don't feel that I am trying to 'sell' gay marriage as much as I'm trying to understand people's views who believe it should not be legal in our country. I mean, if you don't want to marry another dude, don't marry another dude... I didn't (happily married to a woman for 29+ years now).
And, I've tried to be generally respectful in my posts on this board, but am sure I haven't been perfect on that front at all times
Look, I have no problem if people don't personally agree with gay marriage because it is against their personal belief system or religion. One has every right to believe whatever they want. And I don't think private business owners who are against gay marriage (for religious or other reasons) should be forced to provide cakes for gay weddings.. Who the private business owner serves should be up to the private business owner. Btw, if they want to refuse to sell cakes to an ******* straight couple I would be fine with that too since they own a private (not public) business.
That all said, our country is not based on religious law....and a consenting adult gay couple who wants to form a legal union should have the same rights as a straight couple, IMO. I do disagree wholeheartedly with those who believe religion (the Bible or Koran, etc) should be the basis of our laws.. I would think most conservatives would as well. We don't live in a theocracy, and that is intentional in the design of our system. You can live your own life based on those beliefs, but doesn't mean everyone in our country should have to
I don't feel that I am trying to 'sell' gay marriage as much as I'm trying to understand people's views who believe it should not be legal in our country. I mean, if you don't want to marry another dude, don't marry another dude... I didn't (happily married to a woman for 29+ years now).
And, I've tried to be generally respectful in my posts on this board, but am sure I haven't been perfect on that front at all times
Look, I have no problem if people don't personally agree with gay marriage because it is against their personal belief system or religion. One has every right to believe whatever they want. And I don't think private business owners who are against gay marriage (for religious or other reasons) should be forced to provide cakes for gay weddings.. Who the private business owner serves should be up to the private business owner. Btw, if they want to refuse to sell cakes to an ******* straight couple I would be fine with that too since they own a private (not public) business.
That all said, our country is not based on religious law....and a consenting adult gay couple who wants to form a legal union should have the same rights as a straight couple, IMO. I do disagree wholeheartedly with those who believe religion (the Bible or Koran, etc) should be the basis of our laws.. I would think most conservatives would as well. We don't live in a theocracy, and that is intentional in the design of our system. You can live your own life based on those beliefs, but doesn't mean everyone in our country should have to
Ok. But as someone who has a lot more experience in leading large groups of diverse people. You come across as someone attacking religion more than anything else. I think the rubes are much smarter than you give them credit. Some probably think you don't actually care about gay marriage or gays being treated with respect. That you might just be using it as a tool to attack their religion. Just something to consider as you are learning from them.
Personally I look forward to sharing more of Andy's work with you. I think it will open your eyes to a lot of things.
I don't think it should be called marriage. A legal union should be a right . Calling it a marriage brings in the religion aspect. Why should heterosexual people be the only ones letting the government get involved with their personal life . Gay people need to know what it's like to lose 1/2 of everything, be hounded by girlfriend to buy a ring and get married, and all the other legal crap that comes with a government authorization to screw someone.... yeah let them have it . Funny story ...when in NJ working my neighbors are lezbo's, good people we run around a lot .I don't feel that I am trying to 'sell' gay marriage as much as I'm trying to understand people's views who believe it should not be legal in our country. I mean, if you don't want to marry another dude, don't marry another dude... I didn't (happily married to a woman for 29+ years now).
And, I've tried to be generally respectful in my posts on this board, but am sure I haven't been perfect on that front at all times
Look, I have no problem if people don't personally agree with gay marriage because it is against their personal belief system or religion. One has every right to believe whatever they want. And I don't think private business owners who are against gay marriage (for religious or other reasons) should be forced to provide cakes for gay weddings.. Who the private business owner serves should be up to the private business owner. Btw, if they want to refuse to sell cakes to an ******* straight couple I would be fine with that too since they own a private (not public) business.
That all said, our country is not based on religious law....and a consenting adult gay couple who wants to form a legal union should have the same rights as a straight couple, IMO. I do disagree wholeheartedly with those who believe religion (the Bible or Koran, etc) should be the basis of our laws.. I would think most conservatives would as well. We don't live in a theocracy, and that is intentional in the design of our system. You can live your own life based on those beliefs, but doesn't mean everyone in our country should have to
Anyway the butch was pissed cause she marched a fought to get legally married and now regrets it ...said life was easier when she didn't have to worry about making her wife mad . Lol
I don't feel that I am trying to 'sell' gay marriage as much as I'm trying to understand people's views who believe it should not be legal in our country. I mean, if you don't want to marry another dude, don't marry another dude... I didn't (happily married to a woman for 29+ years now).
And, I've tried to be generally respectful in my posts on this board, but am sure I haven't been perfect on that front at all times
Look, I have no problem if people don't personally agree with gay marriage because it is against their personal belief system or religion. One has every right to believe whatever they want. And I don't think private business owners who are against gay marriage (for religious or other reasons) should be forced to provide cakes for gay weddings.. Who the private business owner serves should be up to the private business owner. Btw, if they want to refuse to sell cakes to an ******* straight couple I would be fine with that too since they own a private (not public) business.
That all said, our country is not based on religious law....and a consenting adult gay couple who wants to form a legal union should have the same rights as a straight couple, IMO. I do disagree wholeheartedly with those who believe religion (the Bible or Koran, etc) should be the basis of our laws.. I would think most conservatives would as well. We don't live in a theocracy, and that is intentional in the design of our system. You can live your own life based on those beliefs, but doesn't mean everyone in our country should have to
Christianity has a definition of marriage that is different from the government's at this point, because they changed it. If that's not interference in religion, I don't know what is.
I say Jesus would allow gay marriage. And that's the problem here , organized religion
then Christians should not be in a gay marriage.. The government is not mandating that Christians marry someone of the same sex. Who is infringing on their rights? IMO, Christians shouldn't get abortions either if it doesn't jive with their beliefs.. But what about people who have other beliefs? In a secular based system of government and laws, should their rights be protected as well?
EDIT: and, marriage is not a Christian institution to my knowledge.. even if it is, then ok call it something else but give the same legal rights.
Otherwise we are saying we want a theocratic based gov't and laws, which is basically aligned with ISIS/Al-Quaeda philosophy at that point isn't it?
You are a blasphemer and a heathen.
Matthew 19:4-6, “And He answered and said, ‘Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.’”
I'm telling you once again marriage was a religious institution, and government overstepped their bounds. The government has an institution to recognize relationships, it's called civil unions, and they need to stick to it.
I voted against NC 1, and openly discussed my view with my church at the time. I didn't make any friends.
Government overstepping their bounds has already caused minor issues in certain aspects of our civilization. It will only get worse in the future. There will come a time in the near future when Christians are arrested.