Lax vs Army
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biazza38 said:
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What the hell are we talking about here? Is someone defending Brecht because we were number for a minute two years ago and then got our clocks cleaned by Delaware and then proceeded to miss the Tournament?
Hopefully this is one bad week. That being said, we need to right this ship.[/quote]
Go ahead fire the coach, what a bunch of idiots you are.
Why has he ever won a single NCAA game? What has he actually done? Beat JHU twice in one year and got to number 1 o ly to lose to Delaware the next week and then not even make the tourney. That was 3 years ago, it feels
Like he has stagnated
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biazza38 said:
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What the hell are we talking about here? Is someone defending Brecht because we were number for a minute two years ago and then got our clocks cleaned by Delaware and then proceeded to miss the Tournament?
Hopefully this is one bad week. That being said, we need to right this ship.[/quote]
Go ahead fire the coach, what a bunch of idiots you are.
Why has he ever won a single NCAA game? What has he actually done? Beat JHU twice in one year and got to number 1 o ly to lose to Delaware the next week and then not even make the tourney. That was 3 years ago, it feels
Like he has stagnated
Slow down man... I’m not saying fire him. Just saying he has to right the ship. This isn’t a 7 year rebuild. We’ve missed chances to make the tournament when we easily should have. It’s only the third game of the season, but today was a real clunker and everyone is down after last season. I don’t think he’ll be fired. But we need some better results and better recruiting. Massive holes in the same areas for 3-4 straight seasons
Before the bottom dropped out the FOGO was more than holding his own. The issue on the tie ups where Army came away with possession was the wing kiddies more than the FOGO.
Oof. Absolutely brutal weekend for the B1G in MLax, and let's not forget Michigan lost to Hofstra.
That Army is legit considering they kicked the crap out of UMass as well.
Army is legit. There was no doubting that. But that doesn’t make our game acceptable. Our offense should be able to score more than a few goals on anyone. Hopefully this is the fire that lights the fuse. This can’t happen again.
If he doesn’t make NCAA tournament this year it will be 9 consecutive years with no post-season.
See ya, that’s the metric, no need for further discussion
That's a virtual impossibility due the large number of AQ bids to the tournament and the selection committee's, who I refer to as the Baltimoe Mafia, bias towards the ACC, Understand that RU could be ranked #11 in the country and be left out. He'll, they were left out when they were #13. Since the latest expansion of AQ bids I think the only coference to get more than 2 bids is the ACC. And with Penn State at either 1 or 2 depending on the poll and Maryland at #4 even excellence may not be rewarded.
My standard would be a Top 15 finish in the polls.
This seems like the silver lining to me.
I heard it mentioned earlier in the thread it was working too.
Get that initial possession and go from there.
The flip side of that is that we still got pounded, which begs the question...What happens in a game we lose them clean? Oooof.
I said it last game, our wing play on faceoffs is atrocious. We were that much better than SJU and Quinapiac that it didn’t have much of an impact. In the 1st half of the SJU game our fogo was winning most of the draws but their wings were getting the GBs. I think that forced our fogo to try to win it clean and the other kid was quicker and things went down hill from there. Army almost doubled us up on GBs. The only chance you have to beat a good Army team is to at least match them in GBs. When the GB total is that lopsided you have no chance.
lots of other reasons we lost but that stands out to me. The issue that is surprising to me is that our shooting has not been accurate. Again, it did not have an impact vs. SJU or Quinapiac but even in those games, for the amount of open looks we got and the skill of our shooters, we should have scored a lot more goals. It was much more evident vs. Army because we did not get as many open looks and the ones we did get we did not convert. Not a good combo.
Not as concerned about shooting because I believe as long as you are getting the right looks those shots will fall eventually, especially because we have talented finishers. The GB issue will continue to haunt us until that gets fixed. We are giving the opponent way too many possessions.
lots of other reasons we lost but that stands out to me. The issue that is surprising to me is that our shooting has not been accurate. Again, it did not have an impact vs. SJU or Quinapiac but even in those games, for the amount of open looks we got and the skill of our shooters, we should have scored a lot more goals. It was much more evident vs. Army because we did not get as many open looks and the ones we did get we did not convert. Not a good combo.
Not as concerned about shooting because I believe as long as you are getting the right looks those shots will fall eventually, especially because we have talented finishers. The GB issue will continue to haunt us until that gets fixed. We are giving the opponent way too many possessions.
We controlled our own destiny every year we had a chance to get in and lost.
It's cool if you yell at me, I'm not part of Rutgers Nation, but what exactly is so idiotic about considering a coaching change after how the last few years have played out?
Here are a couple of telling stats, we lost 10 straight face-off's from the beginning of the 2nd quarter through the beginning of the 4th quarter. we made 2 saves in the final 3 quarters and we almost got doubled up on ground balls. The metric for winning lacrosse games in going 100% between saves and face-offs, on Saturday we went 57% not on each but in total.These stats will have to improve and do so quickly if they are to make a run this season.
in other news @Golfer2019 congrats on your son's (Son #2) first point in Loyola's win against the Hop. Hopkins can not lose enough for me.
in other news @Golfer2019 congrats on your son's (Son #2) first point in Loyola's win against the Hop. Hopkins can not lose enough for me.
That’s not true. We beat OSU who was 4 in the last regular season game 3 years ago. That should have been enough. With our metrics that year we have been the only team in NCAA history to not get in with those numbers.
The year before we beat Hopkins twice and made the B1G championship game. We had a better record than Hopkins yet they got the bid.
Brian could not win a game this year and he won’t get fired. He just signed a new contract last year. Pat doesn’t make rash decisions and there is zero wind in those sails by the people who really matter.
Army up to #9 in the Maverick poll and #7 in the US Lacrosse poll. If they beat Syracuse on the road this Saturday look for them to hit the Top 5.
I don't know. Two years ago our grad class had the most wins ever by a senior class. That class was beaten by the class last year.
Sat was demoralizing but we will see what this team is made of. Our schedule is very, very hard.
At Army, at Loyola, Stony Brook at home then at Princeton then home to Syracuse.
That's one of the hardest schedules in the country. But with that comes opportunity. This a huge week of practice.
For all the guys we play, our legs looked tired. Gotta think groundballs is going to be huge focus this week. We were missing very easy ones. The kind any D1 player would pick up. That needs to be fixed, along with our D slides, which were really awful from a timing perspective.
Sat was demoralizing but we will see what this team is made of. Our schedule is very, very hard.
At Army, at Loyola, Stony Brook at home then at Princeton then home to Syracuse.
That's one of the hardest schedules in the country. But with that comes opportunity. This a huge week of practice.
For all the guys we play, our legs looked tired. Gotta think groundballs is going to be huge focus this week. We were missing very easy ones. The kind any D1 player would pick up. That needs to be fixed, along with our D slides, which were really awful from a timing perspective.
The offense was awful...unacceptable IMO. They didn't carry their weight at all and because of it, the defense became taxed and it snowballed...obviously losing face offs (during long stretches), struggling in the net, and losing the GB battle hurt and are also major issues...but this loss starts with the offense. When you're struggling at the FO-X, you need to value the ball and get good looks...that didn't happen. Sloppy effort...
Maybe Army is just that good...let's see another month of results to confirm, but my gut tells me they are really really good...but really...what, 2 goals on offense through 3 qtrs?
Let's see what gets done in practice this week...lots of improvement needed...from top to bottom.
Two straight weekends I've spent watching Loyola live...RU needs to play a VERY strong game to compete with them...and Loyola is rolling out lots of youth on offense...but they do have a very sound defense and an elite FOGO.
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REALLY? Sure as hell hope that isn’t Hobbs’ “standard.” Yikes! Ow I don’t think he’s close to losing his job BUT there has GOT to be an NCAA appearance AND soon I would think.
I think I take into the account the screwed up results of too many AQs more than you. If you want to say "merit" a tournament appearance I'm with you. I'd say a couple of years ago when they were ranked 13th and twice beat a Hopkins team that made the tournament they merited an appearance. If they get themselves together and end up ranked #10 in the country but don't get an invite because Penn St. is ranked #2, Maryland #4 and the Baltimore Mafia remain consistent with their unwritten rule that only the ACC can put more than 2 teams in the tournament I'd say they merited an appearance.
As much as agree with the whole “mafia” thing the bottom line is NCAA appearances matter to kids, hence, they should matter to Hobbs, Brecht, and everyone else.
Anyway let’s just hope Saturday was a MAJOR “wake up” call to the entire program because that’s just not acceptable.
Of course it matters. Not getting an invite the two years the team earned it was very problematic. Let's not forget, one of those years we lost to the team that won the NC by 1 goal in OT and beat the other team that played for the NC. We would have made noise in that tournament.
I'm not saying it doesn't matter or shouldn't matter,. I'm saying someone's job should not be on the line over such an arbitrary standard. If a hoops team was ranked between #25 & 30 for 3 out a 4 year stretch and didn't get a single invite to March Madness would you say it's all the coaches fault or that they got screwed?
The reality is it's VERY hard under the current format to make the field...and that's ok...you need to have a cut off at some point, otherwise it can get watered down...
With that said, we already have an NCAA game on a Tuesday ( I think it's just 1)....
Frankly a good move might be to add another game or two on Tuesday and then that opens up 2, maybe 3 more slots...the big ten would get one of those extra slots, the ACC would get a slot (assuming 3 teams max from ACC) and then the last slot goes to maybe the Ivy or Patriot...depending on the year...that opens it up for at least a couple more...and the B1G would get one of those slots every year...
I like the AQ's...you can argue teams getting in from lesser conferences will just muddy the field and will get punked...that's fine, but I'm a fan of each conference getting a spot...it gives them something to play to, and then they get a shot at a big boy...that's not changing
I vote to add at least one more opening Tuesday game...maybe 2...that opens the door for each of the big boy conferences to add one more team (depending on the year)
With that said, we already have an NCAA game on a Tuesday ( I think it's just 1)....
Frankly a good move might be to add another game or two on Tuesday and then that opens up 2, maybe 3 more slots...the big ten would get one of those extra slots, the ACC would get a slot (assuming 3 teams max from ACC) and then the last slot goes to maybe the Ivy or Patriot...depending on the year...that opens it up for at least a couple more...and the B1G would get one of those slots every year...
I like the AQ's...you can argue teams getting in from lesser conferences will just muddy the field and will get punked...that's fine, but I'm a fan of each conference getting a spot...it gives them something to play to, and then they get a shot at a big boy...that's not changing
I vote to add at least one more opening Tuesday game...maybe 2...that opens the door for each of the big boy conferences to add one more team (depending on the year)
Of course it matters. Not getting an invite the two years the team earned it was very problematic. Let's not forget, one of those years we lost to the team that won the NC by 1 goal in OT and beat the other team that played for the NC. We would have made noise in that tournament.
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Was not that they year that we lost to an unranked Delaware team and did not even make the Big Ten tourney?
Bad losses kill us more than any other team if they are still bad losses.
The last guy made 2 tourneys with far fewer resources and he did it in 10 years.
BB 9 years under.500 records and zero tourney appearances. Facts are stubborn things.
Was not that they year that we lost to an unranked Delaware team and did not even make the Big Ten tourney?
Bad losses kill us more than any other team if they are still bad losses.
The last guy made 2 tourneys with far fewer resources and he did it in 10 years.
BB 9 years under.500 records and zero tourney appearances. Facts are stubborn things.[/QUOTE]
1. Those 2 tournament appearances were made in years where there 3 fewer AQs, although there was no single play-in game. Odds are likely that RU would have gotten invited 2 out of the last 4 years under that set up.
2 That last guy had a 58-82 career record playing in a weaker conference.
3. The resources only got better the last few years, not Brecht's entire tenure.
Brecht’s seat is ice cold right now and will remain so regardless of this years outcome. Not even worth discussing and those of us close to the program are aware of why this is the case and are totally good with it.
That said, if by the end of next season we still remain without a tournament bid, Brecht’s seat will get warm. I like Brian a lot and I think he will get it done, but I am ok with that.
That said, if by the end of next season we still remain without a tournament bid, Brecht’s seat will get warm. I like Brian a lot and I think he will get it done, but I am ok with that.
17-9 final. I'm stunned. Army beats UMass by 13 who beats Ohio St. Now this. It looks like it's going to be a wild year.
And Maryland is going to have to have another come back, down to Villanova 10-7 in the 3rd.