Larry and Lebron At Age 30
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As long as James harden is in the league I'm never gonna agree that defense is better in today's game. And there are a LOT of others who play "defense" just like him.
bingo, bango, bongo!!!
shhhhh, don't tell king and witness...they can stay in their bubble...
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Your nostalgic memory doesn't equate to quantifiable data.
It's not hard to admit Bird was a better player than James. All this bs dreaming up excuses doesn't change that. Larry was better than most that have played the game.
I think both are awesome players and all time greats. Bird wasn't the athlete Lebron is but Lebron can't touch the slill Bird had.
One thing I do think is Lebron would leave the game in a body bag against the bad boys Pistons. If lambier played today he would probably be thrown out of the league within the first few games. I'm not sure how a lot of today's players would match up with the very physical play from the 80s and 90s. Not saying today's players suck although I do think big men are much worse today while point guards are much better.
One thing I do think is Lebron would leave the game in a body bag against the bad boys Pistons. If lambier played today he would probably be thrown out of the league within the first few games. I'm not sure how a lot of today's players would match up with the very physical play from the 80s and 90s. Not saying today's players suck although I do think big men are much worse today while point guards are much better.
Wasn't Larry like really 6'3. They shot FT's underhanded. Set shots. lol. The 80's and early 90's had no good NBA players
I'll take Bird too, he wasn't quick and couldn't jump high, but he had a quick first step and that's all you need. He would whiz a pass by your ear or fake you out of your jock, nobody could stop him. I saw Bird drive around one of the quickest big men to ever play the game {James Worthy} left him nailed to the floor, pretty good for not having a lot of athletic ability. Not saying Lebron is not good because he is very good. Bird made everyone around him good.
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Bron not only had/has all stars surrounding him, hes been able to hand pick those players and form his own team.
In terms of defense, Bron wouldnt enjoy all the high flying athletic finishes that he feeds off of. Teams back then would put him through the floor every chance they got.
Bird was a better player than Lebron. But Lebron is such an elite athlete, it makes his talent seem even greater than it is.
biggest thing with Larry is that he played so SMART. And, like most of the guys of that era, he was hungry and ambitious. He fought and worked his butt off, nothing was handed to him. And the whining stuff didn't fly
that's the biggest difference, IMO, between guys like Bird and this generation.
I was a huge Larry Bird fan. I watched his entire career. He was great. But LeBron is clearly better.
They call technical fouls on players now for the same whining guys like Bird and Jordan did on a nightly basis. Bitching about calls is part of the game. All the star players do it and always have.
As for being ambitious and hard working, I'm not sure how anyone could top LeBron in either. What has he had given to him?
LeBron is on the team with the highest payroll in the league. Bird played with several Hall of Famers.
James is solid player but he doesn't have the skills, or the will to win that Larry had, and I'm not a Larry Bird fan. Bird is remembered as a great player, something Lebron will never be remembered as. He blew his shot at greatness when he voluntarily became Dewayne Wade's ***** just so that he could say he was on a championship team.
Other than defense, what area was LeBron clearly better?
What are we excluding next? Other than free throw shooting, what area does Bird get the edge?
I've seen a lot of extreme LeBron hate posts before, but this one might top them all haha. Carry on.
You went all kinds of stupid with this. James won't be remembered as a great player?
I take it you couldn't come up with a rebuttal [smoke]
Btw, I'm not a Lebron hater either. I'll root for him and his team against the Warriors but he better quit being just a good player and start leading a team to a championship. His time is running out.
Btw, I'm not a Lebron hater either. I'll root for him and his team against the Warriors but he better quit being just a good player and start leading a team to a championship. His time is running out.
Didn't he win 2 titles as the leader of his team fairly recently? Maybe I'm mistaken...
My bubble? I said LeBron got legit teammates in Miami and while Love and Kyrie are good they can't win as the first option. I had a problem with you comparing washed up players on the Cavs to McHale and Parrishbingo, bango, bongo!!!
shhhhh, don't tell chuck and witness...they can stay in their bubble...
Kyrie played Game 1 of Finals and some of ECF and Love was injured game 4 of first round
The fact that you mentioned Shaq just proved you look at names and you didn't watch
McHale was . Parrish wasn't near as good as he looked playing with Bird . DJ was solid as hell. Walton was an old man when he played for the Celtics.
Rebounds, assists, clutch shots.
I am a HUGE Bird fan. And this is absolutely accurate. Lebron can't shoot like Larry. But that's the only place he finishes 2nd.
Bird has the edge in rebounds because Bird spent way more time in the paint on defense than LeBron does. That stat is N/A in this discussion.
In assists, LeBron has a big edge, despite having had no one to pass the ball to for much of his career.
Clutch shots? Show me where to find that stat.
LeBron has a slight edge in career FG percentage -- 49.8 to 49.6. Bird has a slight edge from 3-point range -- 37 to 34 -- but LeBron has made way more threes -- 1300+ to 600+. The free throw line is Bird's only clear edge.
you are right.
Since, I don't have a man crush on Lebron, I haven't seen all the games he has played.
guilty as charged...
Man hard to go against LJ. The guy has lead his team to the finals or conf finals almost every year the guy has been in the league.
Bird was a leader also, but you gotta be honest. Bird was surrounded by Hall of Fame talent. LJ has at best mediocre supporting cast.
Look at the names Bird played with. Parrish, Mchale, DJ, Ainge. Even guys like Gerald Henderson and Maxwell were solid NBA guys.
What LJ brings to the table is better then Bird. LJ can take mediocre talent and get you to a championship. Not saying Bird could not of in his prime. Just never had to see Bird do it a lone.
Only other player ive seen mold a group of average players into a championship team was MJ.
Gotta go with LJ.
Bird was a leader also, but you gotta be honest. Bird was surrounded by Hall of Fame talent. LJ has at best mediocre supporting cast.
Look at the names Bird played with. Parrish, Mchale, DJ, Ainge. Even guys like Gerald Henderson and Maxwell were solid NBA guys.
What LJ brings to the table is better then Bird. LJ can take mediocre talent and get you to a championship. Not saying Bird could not of in his prime. Just never had to see Bird do it a lone.
Only other player ive seen mold a group of average players into a championship team was MJ.
Gotta go with LJ.
You didn't even have to watch those games to know Shaq and Shawn Marion wasn't all-star players then. Don't debate something if you don't have knowledge on the situation . Resorting to man crush insults because you don't know facts is corny
Bird was and probably still is a better shooter. I also think Bird is a better crunch time player even though stats may not prove that but my eyes say different. I believe the staticians define crunch time as the last 5 min or overtime in a 3pt game(I could be wrong but I remember some stat). As a Lakers fan if the game was tied and Boston had the ball I was more afraid than if Cleveland has the ball. Now with that said I believe Bron will go down as the better player historically!! Someone picked age 30 and that seems arbitrary to me. Who was better at 18-23? Who has the most MVP's in a 13 year time span? Most all NBA teams in a 13 year time span? It seems like cherry picking when someone says age 30. And if Bron fans concede age 30 to Bird are Bird fans willing to concede 18-23? And Bird did lead Indiana St to the NCAA finals which is great but a young Bron lead Cleveland to the NBA Finals. I think if aliens attack the earth and a game of basketball is too decide our fate, LeBron James is my small forward!!!
Lebron dunks and shoots layups. Larry played mostly below the rim and midrange. I don't think stats do justice to what the eyeball tells me. I love them both!
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