Lamar gone
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please explain all the dumb decisions made by our basketball team this year not understanding basic concepts of basketball? explain all the dumb shots, dumb passes, not understanding what the other team is trying to do offensively that the entire building and everyone watching at home can see?
You know who could use a more talented Gary Ervin? A team with Tyson Carter as the only thing even slightly resembling a point guard.
right. Perry getting his first points in the game with 6 minutes left should never happen. in games where we dominated, we got the ball down low early and often and fed Reggie. our older players thought it would be best to sit outside and jack 3s.
well the case would not be made and you would lose. God i hope either of you aren't lawyers if you think a case is supported and closed by something like that.
Nick is a solid PG. His offensive game was struggling this year, but he is one heck of a defender and a hustler. Beacasue of that his presence is always felt no matter if he’s making shots or not. He had a great game vs Bama and helped state start the 5 game run they needed. When we stuggled after the five game run, having an energy guy like Nick would have really helped. Really sucks what happened. I think if we somehow get him back, state should be fine next year IMO.
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No big loss. Kid killed us several times this year. Might need to change twitter handle from HeadShot to HeadCase.
Why do ya’ll want to dog MSU players so bad? He actually had a pretty good game against liberty. Had some terrible turnovers , but he was finishing in the paint so much better. Y’all like to call him selfish, but I saw a lot of games this year where he was pass first. Infact, he probably should have shot more in some of those games. A lot of times he would make a great pass in the paint and our big men were simply not ready, or didn’t handle the ball. Im probably in the minority, but I would love to see him back at MSU next year.
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Lamar’s downfall was he was weak mentally because of social media, our older bigs were weak physically and we have a guy that I hope gets stronger mentally to make smarter decisions to make his life better at a sport he loves. And lastly a coach that was weak in the fact he couldn’t bring out effort in a team who for whatever they wanna complain about crowds were playing in the SEC.
How do you know we will be worse? College basketball has huge movement of players every year. A hole forces us to find someone.
I agree. You find someone looking for a tremendous opportunity to play in the SEC. You sell the opportunity to them to win a fan base at a school hungry for effort and confidence. You sell to them the opportunity to better themselves by proving people wrong by effort and saying the righ things against backlash. That makes a man and a fighter
Our players deserve respect but that respect should also be earned. I loved Lamar when he played because he loved it and didn’t worry about negativity. But he couldn’t let it go and play his game every game. He’s in for a lot of disappointments when he draws a check. I wish him well and hope he can let go of the negative comments, if he can’t I worry for him.
I’m not dogging an MSU player since it sounds like he’s gone.
His decision making wasn’t good enough to lead a team in big games where we needed the ball to go to the right spot down the stretch. That late long 3 was a good example against Liberty.
Some (a lot) of that is on Howland for not coaching him up. He made decisions like that all year.
Same with Q. Despite the fact that refs repeatedly wouldn’t give him the foul call on a drive late in the game, he kept driving and hoping to get a foul call late in a game. I think we got the call once, against Georgia, on a jump shot. Much of that is on Howland.
Right. Whereas posts about how horrible our players are like many love to post here? Those are always very effective. Makes our athletes feel so much better about dedicating their time and effort to MSU sports. Those are the posts that really lack substance.
We eat our own.
My god we deserve to continue to drift along without success. The number of ******** in this thread is disappointingly high.
I am convinced most who dog on the team 1- dont watch much(any?) college basketball outside of MSU and 2- misremember the good old days of the early 00's.
The unreasonable expectations many have is laughable.
Reality check- MSU is going to have a lot of players who arent always NBA ready. This will be due to one or more deficiencies in their game. Expecting them to just change is unrealistic and sets you up for frustration.
Since 2000, so almost 20 years, we havemt exactly been rich in the PG department.
- Antonio Jackson had 1 good season.
- Zimmerman had 2 effective seasons. Bowers had 2 effective seasons. They overlapped, so 3 seasons total.
- Jamont had 1 good season at PG. He had another decent, but not good season as a PG. Its cuz he isnt actually a PG and turned it over more than Lamar ever has. So 1.5 years for him.
- Hansbrough had 1 good season...that was while Jamont was playing. So those are combined.
- Bost had 4 good seasons.
- Ready had 2 good seasons.
11 seasons with an effective PG out of 19 without Peters. And that's effective, not great, mind you.
Probably 6 great PG seasons.
We aren't a great PG school.
I am convinced most who dog on the team 1- dont watch much(any?) college basketball outside of MSU and 2- misremember the good old days of the early 00's.
The unreasonable expectations many have is laughable.
Reality check- MSU is going to have a lot of players who arent always NBA ready. This will be due to one or more deficiencies in their game. Expecting them to just change is unrealistic and sets you up for frustration.
Since 2000, so almost 20 years, we havemt exactly been rich in the PG department.
- Antonio Jackson had 1 good season.
- Zimmerman had 2 effective seasons. Bowers had 2 effective seasons. They overlapped, so 3 seasons total.
- Jamont had 1 good season at PG. He had another decent, but not good season as a PG. Its cuz he isnt actually a PG and turned it over more than Lamar ever has. So 1.5 years for him.
- Hansbrough had 1 good season...that was while Jamont was playing. So those are combined.
- Bost had 4 good seasons.
- Ready had 2 good seasons.
11 seasons with an effective PG out of 19 without Peters. And that's effective, not great, mind you.
Probably 6 great PG seasons.
We aren't a great PG school.
See I agree for the most part. We need Lamar. Great player, 1 more year he would be the absolute best but that is with a key disclaimer that you don’t want to acknowledge. His downfall as a a point guard is he has struggled with fans questioning him. Guess what that’s what happens when people expect great things from you. From there you either rise up and prove naysayers wrong or you question yourself and try to change your game to appease the naysayers. Lamar changed mid season because he didn’t like the negativity. He went safe as a player and he became a shell of the talent he is. Love him and hope he figures it out but bottom line he never stuck to the aggressive skills that made him great. When Lamar said I’m the **** guess what he was
I thought he was a great PG his freshman year, given his role(backup for most of the year) and his numbers. This year he was a great PG for us too. Yes he made bad decisions, no he will never be perfect, and no we will not have a string of PGs that are significantly better than him. That was really all I was saying.
I think so many here dont realize he would have 3x more assists if what are often times basic shots werent missed, or if the player(often Ado) wasnt fouled after the pass.
He shot it well from deep, he broke down defenses to get into the lane and open up shots for others, he had high energy as the lead guard- his really only negative, to me, was his FT shooting. I dont even care about missed layups all that much. He was great for MSU.
Im not sure what the key disclaimer I dont want to acknowledge is.
Lets be real if nick comes back and they put all this off the court stuff behind them, we will be fine.
But if we are being really honest, the closer we get to petty and Woodard being the vocal and example leaders on this team the better. Those guys provided the spark we were missing as freshmen. It’s sad when freshmen have to show the older players how to play with some real effort and hustle.
But if we are being really honest, the closer we get to petty and Woodard being the vocal and example leaders on this team the better. Those guys provided the spark we were missing as freshmen. It’s sad when freshmen have to show the older players how to play with some real effort and hustle.
He was a freshmen. It wasn’t his job. The most vocal leader they had was probably nick as a sophomore. And then he got put in the dog house. I think Woodard has the most potential to become this teams leader of the future.
I'll keep my thoughts on this simple. If Lamar is leaving, I wish him the absolute best and thank him for his efforts on behalf of MSU.
We will be fine at guard next year and moving forward either way.
We will be fine at guard next year and moving forward either way.