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wildcatdon

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I'm not talking about the media, they put out more fluff than anyone.

You aren't getting this man, I cant figure out why Jones blinds you so much.

One sided recruiting info is fine as far as what Kentucky HOPES, but it's typically not going to amount to anything. Staffs are lied to, they will misdirect on purpose, sometimes they feel confident when they shouldn't. And as we've seen, coaches rarely know where a kid is going anyway. How Kentucky feels about a recruit is totally meaningless except to understand who they want and where their time is going. Other than that, it's trash.

I have said that if Matt would just admit (I've never heard him do it) that he's not a recruiting expert and has few resources outside of Kentucky I would be fine. But the stealing of information and passing it off as his has happened, that stuff turns people off. He didn't put his time into becoming a recruiting wig because there's no money in it. Look at Maggard, gone. Jones is an entertainer, and so why have people always defended him as something other than that?

We won't agree, but I'm not wrong.
All of this plus he has a horrible voice. I have heard him on the radio a couple of times and couldnt stand it. it's like he is gargling with thumbtacks.
 

Rupp'sRunt

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So, you argue about some show you don't listen to ? Lol ,how stupid is that? Thats dumb, even for you.
it's not that hard to read. You should try it sometime. Let me tell you some things I've read the past 2 years. "MJ saying Bolden to U.K."
"MJ says we're getting bamba"
"MJ feel good about Barrett"
"MJ confident UK is Zions leader"
"MJ says Bol Bol visit went great"

And no I didn't have to listen to hundreds of hours of podcasts to know he said all of those things.
 
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Rupp'sRunt

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So why come on and defend yourself. You have the Mattettes for that.
I have 0 problem with you but I don’t understand why you would come to a free message board and justify what you do.
Frustration and declining clicks id imagine. Poking the bear isn't a bad way to get attention
 
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mdlUK.1

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it's not that hard to read. You should try it sometime. Let me tell you some things I've read the past 2 years. "MJ saying Bolden to U.K."
"MJ says we're getting bamba"
"MJ feel good about Barrett"
"MJ confident UK is Zions leader"
"MJ says Bol Bol visit went great"

And no I didn't have to listen to hundreds of hours of podcasts to know he said all of those things.
Good for you. I'm sure reading all that MJ stuff caused you to miss all the crystal ball info that had UK leading for zw, Barrett and bol? Did you see zw didn't pick Clemson? Or Knox didn't pick dUKe?

Again, if you think he has no valid info, why read it? That's dumb! Oh wait. I forgot who i was responding to.
 

Rupp'sRunt

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Good for you. I'm sure reading all that MJ stuff caused you to miss all the crystal ball info that had UK leading for zw, Barrett and bol? Did you see zw didn't pick Clemson? Or Knox didn't pick dUKe?
Lol so who do you like MJ or crystal ball? You're all over the place. And I thought MJ was close to the staff, I mean surely they knew they were getting Knox, MJ wasn't even right on the recruit we got. And if the "crystal ball" is the standard maybe I'll come here and post my "expert recruiting advice" by predicting what the CB predicts. I mean if I'm right I win and if I'm wrong well everyone else is wrong. My sources are still solid. See how that works? MJ has been passing off his "recruiting info" as solid and just told us his sources are the opposite. I get him posting what he's heard, but posting stuff as "legit recruiting info" just to drive fans and clicks is literally the definition of click bait. And if you can't understand that "you're stupid" ( great insult by the way)
 
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mdlUK.1

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Lol so who do you like MJ or crystal ball? You're all over the place. And I thought MJ was close to the staff, I mean surely they knew they were getting Knox, MJ wasn't even right on the recruit we got. And if the "crystal ball" is the standard maybe I'll come here and post my "expert recruiting advice" by predicting what the CB predicts. I mean if I'm right I win and if I'm wrong well everyone else is wrong. My sources are still solid. See how that works? MJ has been passing off his "recruiting info" as solid and just told us his sources are the opposite. I get him posting what he's heard, but posting stuff as "legit recruiting info" just to drive fans and clicks is literally the definition of click bait. And if you can't understand that "you're stupid" ( great insult by the way)

Merely pointing out that other experts, most of them not named MJ, were also wrong a lot. I knew I'd have to explain that to you. My bad for not writing in simpler sentences.
 

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it's not that hard to read. You should try it sometime. Let me tell you some things I've read the past 2 years. "MJ saying Bolden to U.K."
"MJ says we're getting bamba"
"MJ feel good about Barrett"
"MJ confident UK is Zions leader"
"MJ says Bol Bol visit went great"

And no I didn't have to listen to hundreds of hours of podcasts to know he said all of those things.

Actually none of those are correct. I thought we were getting Bamba until Deaaron Fox told me we weren't...he was right. Cats did feel good about Barrett...they were wrong. They felt good about Zion until 2 weeks ago and I said as such. I never said Bol Bol visit went great because it was a complete disaster (as I have said on the show).

What you have read is what people say I say...which is uniformly wrong (as it was today). What you have "read" is often not what I have said.

I have been wrong many times....so has everyone that talks about recruiting (including everyone on Zion). But when I have been right and gone against the mainstream (Knox, Randle, Murray, Humphries, saying we would likely not get Wiggins), its been for the same reasons as when I was wrong. I reflect the feelings of the program. I don't ever claim to "know" what the kids will do. Only they do
 
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Two quick things:

1. That wasn't what I said on Wiseman...what I said is that UK wants and hopes to have him reclassify and be part of the class. Whether that happens remains to be seen, but I think there is a better chance of it taking place than the common chatter seems to be. But we shall see.

2. Recruiting isn't for everyone....as Saturday's Zion news showcases, there is NO ONE that follows recruiting that gets every kid right. Zion fooled everyone, including the Duke staff (I have a friend who covers the team that says the staff was completely shocked by this one and weren't even watching the announcement)...it just happens sometimes.

As for the bigger issue of whether "Matt Jones knows anything about recruiting", believe whatever you wish. If you have followed me for a long time, you know that what I say about recruiting is what the folks around UK think about it. I don't have "AAU contacts" or the like (although such contacts were worthless with Zion) so I have no opinion on what most recruits will do (which is why I don't do the Crystal Ball thing). What I do have good info on is how the folks around the program feel about it. What has been clear in the past year is that their feelings on two kids (Barrett and Zion) were not similar to how the kids themselves were feeling...and that is why I believe staff changes will be made. UK felt it was 50-50 on Barrett and UK/Clemson on Zion...neither of those seem to be the case. That disconnect is the cause of many of the problems in my view.

Believe whatever you wish in recruiting...there are some on this thread who are on every thread that mentions me or KSR just to bash us. Those folks will never be pleased. For everyone else, if you are looking for certainty, become a scientist. Recruiting is silly and you never truly know what will happen. I asked the 4 people I most respect nationally to predict on Zion Saturday and every one of them told me a different team, and none told me Duke. No one is right all the time, certainly not me.
Your words " We're probably by going to get that kid from Memphis to reclassify" in the 12 minute mark. Not what you claim to have said in response to my post, far from it. I get it you're in a rush to prove me wrong, but your response in this thread isn't close to what you said around the 12 minute mark of the show. I went back to listen to make sure I heard correctly.
 

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Merely pointing out that other experts, most of them not named MJ, were also wrong a lot. I knew I'd have to explain that to you. My bad for not writing in simpler sentences.
You went from defending matt jones, to saying everyone misses so MJ must be reliable. You seem to always be moving your argument so I'm done.
 
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Two quick things:

1. That wasn't what I said on Wiseman...what I said is that UK wants and hopes to have him reclassify and be part of the class. Whether that happens remains to be seen, but I think there is a better chance of it taking place than the common chatter seems to be. But we shall see.

2. Recruiting isn't for everyone....as Saturday's Zion news showcases, there is NO ONE that follows recruiting that gets every kid right. Zion fooled everyone, including the Duke staff (I have a friend who covers the team that says the staff was completely shocked by this one and weren't even watching the announcement)...it just happens sometimes.

As for the bigger issue of whether "Matt Jones knows anything about recruiting", believe whatever you wish. If you have followed me for a long time, you know that what I say about recruiting is what the folks around UK think about it. I don't have "AAU contacts" or the like (although such contacts were worthless with Zion) so I have no opinion on what most recruits will do (which is why I don't do the Crystal Ball thing). What I do have good info on is how the folks around the program feel about it. What has been clear in the past year is that their feelings on two kids (Barrett and Zion) were not similar to how the kids themselves were feeling...and that is why I believe staff changes will be made. UK felt it was 50-50 on Barrett and UK/Clemson on Zion...neither of those seem to be the case. That disconnect is the cause of many of the problems in my view.

Believe whatever you wish in recruiting...there are some on this thread who are on every thread that mentions me or KSR just to bash us. Those folks will never be pleased. For everyone else, if you are looking for certainty, become a scientist. Recruiting is silly and you never truly know what will happen. I asked the 4 people I most respect nationally to predict on Zion Saturday and every one of them told me a different team, and none told me Duke. No one is right all the time, certainly not me.
Science...there’s nothing certain there either.
 

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Lol, I'll bite.

You only post in threads about you. I'm not obsessed with you, you're obsessed with you. Which is fine, But I post about all topics, so let's not pretend I'm obsessed because you like being a topic.

I have said for years that I have an opinion that's unfavorable to you based off of two things. The injection of politics, and the misleading way you present your recruiting information. You seem to be backing off of the last one so that's that.

As far as hating you for your ideology, I'll say it clearly. You seem to be fairly moderate on many topics, but you promote a party that no longer aligns with sanity. Does that make me want you to tune you out? Yes. Could I enjoy you much more if there were no politics at all? Yes. Do you care? No.

I post all over this board and I've never created the first Matt Jones thread. When it comes up I post, like all of the other threads. But in your world I've got 11,000 post, all about you.

You've got more in common with Trump than you realize.
This is absolutely spot on 100%.
 

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Two quick things:

1. That wasn't what I said on Wiseman...what I said is that UK wants and hopes to have him reclassify and be part of the class. Whether that happens remains to be seen, but I think there is a better chance of it taking place than the common chatter seems to be. But we shall see.

2. Recruiting isn't for everyone....as Saturday's Zion news showcases, there is NO ONE that follows recruiting that gets every kid right. Zion fooled everyone, including the Duke staff (I have a friend who covers the team that says the staff was completely shocked by this one and weren't even watching the announcement)...it just happens sometimes.

As for the bigger issue of whether "Matt Jones knows anything about recruiting", believe whatever you wish. If you have followed me for a long time, you know that what I say about recruiting is what the folks around UK think about it. I don't have "AAU contacts" or the like (although such contacts were worthless with Zion) so I have no opinion on what most recruits will do (which is why I don't do the Crystal Ball thing). What I do have good info on is how the folks around the program feel about it. What has been clear in the past year is that their feelings on two kids (Barrett and Zion) were not similar to how the kids themselves were feeling...and that is why I believe staff changes will be made. UK felt it was 50-50 on Barrett and UK/Clemson on Zion...neither of those seem to be the case. That disconnect is the cause of many of the problems in my view.

Believe whatever you wish in recruiting...there are some on this thread who are on every thread that mentions me or KSR just to bash us. Those folks will never be pleased. For everyone else, if you are looking for certainty, become a scientist. Recruiting is silly and you never truly know what will happen. I asked the 4 people I most respect nationally to predict on Zion Saturday and every one of them told me a different team, and none told me Duke. No one is right all the time, certainly not me.
 

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Two quick things:

1. That wasn't what I said on Wiseman...what I said is that UK wants and hopes to have him reclassify and be part of the class. Whether that happens remains to be seen, but I think there is a better chance of it taking place than the common chatter seems to be. But we shall see.

2. Recruiting isn't for everyone....as Saturday's Zion news showcases, there is NO ONE that follows recruiting that gets every kid right. Zion fooled everyone, including the Duke staff (I have a friend who covers the team that says the staff was completely shocked by this one and weren't even watching the announcement)...it just happens sometimes.

As for the bigger issue of whether "Matt Jones knows anything about recruiting", believe whatever you wish. If you have followed me for a long time, you know that what I say about recruiting is what the folks around UK think about it. I don't have "AAU contacts" or the like (although such contacts were worthless with Zion) so I have no opinion on what most recruits will do (which is why I don't do the Crystal Ball thing). What I do have good info on is how the folks around the program feel about it. What has been clear in the past year is that their feelings on two kids (Barrett and Zion) were not similar to how the kids themselves were feeling...and that is why I believe staff changes will be made. UK felt it was 50-50 on Barrett and UK/Clemson on Zion...neither of those seem to be the case. That disconnect is the cause of many of the problems in my view.

Believe whatever you wish in recruiting...there are some on this thread who are on every thread that mentions me or KSR just to bash us. Those folks will never be pleased. For everyone else, if you are looking for certainty, become a scientist. Recruiting is silly and you never truly know what will happen. I asked the 4 people I most respect nationally to predict on Zion Saturday and every one of them told me a different team, and none told me Duke. No one is right all the time, certainly not me.

I don't care about any of that. Do you have any inside info on UL's banners coming down?
 

mdlUK.1

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You went from defending matt jones, to saying everyone misses so MJ must be reliable. You seem to always be moving your argument so I'm done.
No, I never said he was never wrong. But I'm not the one arguing about someone I don't like and never listen to.

I'm not changing, you just have comprehension issues. Maybe get someone to read to you?
 

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Zion and Duke were trolling us........ most of the time Matt at least knows if we are getting or not getting a guy the week of an announcement because most of the time recruits arent trolling UK like that
So you think Williamson pissed off half the state of South Carolina just troll Cal?!?
 

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Actually none of those are correct. I thought we were getting Bamba until Deaaron Fox told me we weren't...he was right. Cats did feel good about Barrett...they were wrong. They felt good about Zion until 2 weeks ago and I said as such. I never said Bol Bol visit went great because it was a complete disaster (as I have said on the show).

What you have read is what people say I say...which is uniformly wrong (as it was today). What you have "read" is often not what I have said.

I have been wrong many times....so has everyone that talks about recruiting (including everyone on Zion). But when I have been right and gone against the mainstream (Knox, Randle, Murray, Humphries, saying we would likely not get Wiggins), its been for the same reasons as when I was wrong. I reflect the feelings of the program. I don't ever claim to "know" what the kids will do. Only they do

@MattJonesKSR Matt, always curious why D’Aaron Fox didn’t clue Coach Cal in about Bamba? That seems strange.

Also, rumors around here say neither the Barrett nor Bol visits went well — could you explain why?
 
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Hard to believe that the 'staff' would be talking recruiting with a guy who has a daily sports talk show about UK. Unless they occasionally feed info that they want to get out...much like D.C. politics. UK basketball is not bush league, and I would imagine Cal would shut down any loose lips rather quickly. The 'staff' is what...2 or 3 guys? Unless the waterboy is classified as 'staff'.
 
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The last thing on Earth I care about is pleasing you or what you want me to say. You, and those like you on here, do nothing but bash me and literally post every time my name is mentioned to criticize me. There is not one thing that I could do to please you and even when I attempt to explain anything, you (and the 8-10 like you on this board) simply use it as a chance to bash me for "making money off UK" and politics...which is clear are the two reasons you don't like me and neither of those will change.

I come on here to explain to the many silent folks who simply read the site (a) when I have been misquoted so that comments aren't taken out of context and become fact and (b) when I think there are interesting parts of a discussion that should be considered.

None of those options have anything to do with what you or the other "every time Matt or KSR's name is mentioned we much come on and bash them" folks. For you guys, nothing will please you and your obsession over me will only grow sadder
 

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Carolina, that is two hard questions in a row, simply not fair.

Haha! It is kind of baffling though how this staff seems “out of the loop.”

Like, with D’Aaron knowing with certainty Bamba wasn’t coming — but the staff thought he was? That is troubling. Your own player knows — but you don’t..?
 

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Haha! It is kind of baffling though how this staff seems “out of the loop.”

Like, with D’Aaron knowing with certainty Bamba wasn’t coming — but the staff thought he was? That is troubling. Your own player knows — but you don’t..?
Staff tells MJ they feel good, but D. Fox comes in and say no dice. You'd think they would be on the same page
 
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Hard to believe that the 'staff' would be talking recruiting with a guy who has a daily sports talk show about UK. Unless they occasionally feed info that they want to get out...much like D.C. politics. UK basketball is not bush league, and I would imagine Cal would shut down any loose lips rather quickly. The 'staff' is what...2 or 3 guys? Unless the waterboy is classified as 'staff'.
This is spot on. If I thought for a minute somebody on the UK staff was providing a talk show host information on recruiting my opinion of them would go to the bottom of the well. But intelligent people know that is not the case. So at the end of the day all of it is speculation and KSR has a legion of excuse makers who will back them over a fantasy dreamed up in the show prep. The source at UK is most likely someone who knows less about the thoughts of a 18 year old kid than the folks up Rockhouse Creek. And this is the source MJ has. And he admits the only source. A member of the Committee of 101 has more scoop than KSR. But for you that think this is the UK source to end all sources, go for it. Children will be children.

Now with all of that behind us watch the show start promoting the next in line, James Wiseman. Hold onto your seat this should be good. My "sources" at the Lexington Dirt Court say __________ (fill in the blank because it holds as much water as these so called experts.
 

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Staff tells MJ they feel good, but D. Fox comes in and say no dice. You'd think they would be on the same page

Yeah, it makes no sense.

Matt says he gets his info from the staff. He just admitted he (thus the staff) thought Bamba was coming. D’Aaron already knows he’s not coming and the staff seemingly has no clue.

That’s.. not good.
 

mdlUK.1

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This is spot on. If I thought for a minute somebody on the UK staff was providing a talk show host information on recruiting my opinion of them would go to the bottom of the well. But intelligent people know that is not the case. So at the end of the day all of it is speculation and KSR has a legion of excuse makers who will back them over a fantasy dreamed up in the show prep. The source at UK is most likely someone who knows less about the thoughts of a 18 year old kid than the folks up Rockhouse Creek. And this is the source MJ has. And he admits the only source. A member of the Committee of 101 has more scoop than KSR. But for you that think this is the UK source to end all sources, go for it. Children will be children.

Now with all of that behind us watch the show start promoting the next in line, James Wiseman. Hold onto your seat this should be good. My "sources" at the Lexington Dirt Court say __________ (fill in the blank because it holds as much water as these so called experts.
Yeah, you're right. I guess Cal goes on the show because he doesn't want info to get out.
 

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The staff doesnt tell Matt Jones anything about recruiting. on occassion they tell Pratt or Leach or Chapman tiny little things...........

Pratt "hey coach.. how you feeling about Barrett? we gonna get him"

one of our staff members back in the summer "I like our chances.." or gives a thumbs up.

that gets back to Matt Jones and he interprets it to we're landing Barrett...

But if our staff knows a player is coming and the player is ok with a tiny leak... they'll then finally give out some hints to get excited... or if we're for sure not getting a guy they will give some hint so the fans know not to get their hopes up and thats usually when Matt gets the good info the week of an announcement
 

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What recruiting information does Cal give out on KSR?
I didn't say he gives out recruiting info on the show. That would probably be a violation.

I said he goes on the show to get info out that he wants out. If you don't think KSR gets info from the staff, maybe through Dewayne Peevey, I don't know what to tell ya.
 
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I don't know why some of you are trying so hard to pick apart every little thing KSR says to try and prove some point that you're right about them being awful at their jobs. The guy comes on here and flat out says he asks national recruiting guys, and guys around the program for their feelings/info on recruits and relays that on the show. What is there to be mad about if it's wrong? For a bunch of adults ya'll need to grow up and stop looking for reason to bash someone for no other reason than to bash them.
 
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Pretty obvious there's a major disconnect between the feedback we perceive vs the feedback that's given.

That's a problem. A big one.

Anyone that communicates for a living simply cannot repeatedly misread feedback that poorly.

The only other possibility is the recruit is intentionally lying to UK about their position. If that's the case (doubtful), then Capel has deeper claws in these guys than we thought and we have even bigger problems.
 
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