KSR(pj) update
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IMO not remotely close to that black n white a situation . Ky fans , including myself , have been asking basic questions that have went unanswered for several days . ( if my question on the other long PJ thread were answered I never got quoted with an answer , so I didnt it see it ) Like ask by another poster -- Was there a moment in the UT game when this actually occurred , no. limping , no reaction to a certain play , no moment we can point back too . And no announcement about an injury in the UT game until several days after the UT game , Why not ? That isn't the way things usually happen.
Then we have the obvious , gonna miss the Abilene game , who cares , see you on Sat when we need ya ... then the soft cast goes to hard cast and Cals words to the media that he will play this weekend seem like a distant memory . Its not nonsense to politely , without bashing anyone , wonder , what the hell is going on here ? The timeline is just not normal. There probably is answers , no one with the authority to give them wants to state them .
Lastly are UK's medical staff in coordination with Coach Cal the ones monitoring PJ ? Or did he go see his own choice of doc's ? That not a loaded question , I seriously dont know the answer . Hopefully we cruise today and next PJ is out there helping us to get to the FF ... my opinion is he's done .. when that soft cast , precautionary hold out , went to a hard cast , it was over .
This is exactly as I’ve stated.
This is a pain issue being monitored by communication between PJ and the doctor.
This has nothing to do with the draft. Quite frankly, as of two days ago- the pain was too significant to play even if there was hope or plan.
The hard cast was a several-day plan with hopes that rest may expedite some healing and lessen pain. There was not any real plan or hope for pj to play this round. That is part gamesmanship directed at opponent planning, and part not wanting to detail a kids medical issues in any definitive terms. This isn’t unique to cal, though he seems to play it out longer than most.
Slightly disagree. IMO the recruiting pitch is you can go where no one knows your name and no one really cares ... or you can literally be treated like a rock star as part of the BBN.
The part i do agree w is our fans can be a bit much sometimes. But hopefully the recruits understand there are trolls. Jmo.
PJ is an important part of this team. He has worked himself into a top pick in the draft. Can't think of a single game this year he hasn't given his all.
Come the NCAA and he gets injured. As Forrest Gump said, "**** happens".
It's from the UK side that has made fans and others question comments that were made from coaches and others around the team.
Some poster yesterday calling himself "just facts" wrote a long so called factual update claiming he had inside information on the PJ situation.
Who knows who knows what? Fans are loyal to UK and many, and that is way short, make UK basketball an important of their daily routine. All this is fine when UK has Big Blue Madness and likes to show off all the campers, show the world how many fans show up for a practice. All is good when it favors UK.
But in yesterdays post by "just facts" the poster alluded to a small part of the injury could be to protect his draft status. Many on here who are bashing others praised this poster for his/her update.
I appreciated any news anyone has on the situation. I like PJ and feel with him we can win this whole thing.
But many so called "inside posters with information" have all shared something in common and that is there are outside influences involved in PJ's ears. Is this true? We don't know but fans are reacting to any news they can get.
I posted yesterday that I felt it was wrong anyone should have to go to an online message board for information on this situation. Again, I point the finger at UK and yes, like it or not, Coach Cal has made statements that contradict some of his from one day to the next.
Point is, we are all UK fans and want to win a championship. I hated reading PJ was done for the year. We need this kid, period.
People forget we had similar situations in the past with injuries and lack of real information from UK. Even then, Coach Cal would put out statements that had many trying to 'read between the lines" as they say. All this causes fans to turn to speculation and fear.
Why not be open about things, that to me is where all the PJ is done talk came from. I don't blame those who posted they felt he was done or was being held back for the draft. I sort of get it, they are worried about this team winning and without statements that add up, minds will wander.
There are many who do not understand those like me, old fans, are used to seeing players suit up and play thru a "mild" sprain as this has been called. With the statements that have come out, it is easy to understand why so many have gotten the feel this could be more than a "mild" sprain.
UK fans are passionate and that is great as long as it fits that days narrative.
Good luck PJ. I truly wish him well. Me, I am getting ready to watch my Cats fight thru a tough game and hope like hell Nick can back up what he said.
Come the NCAA and he gets injured. As Forrest Gump said, "**** happens".
It's from the UK side that has made fans and others question comments that were made from coaches and others around the team.
Some poster yesterday calling himself "just facts" wrote a long so called factual update claiming he had inside information on the PJ situation.
Who knows who knows what? Fans are loyal to UK and many, and that is way short, make UK basketball an important of their daily routine. All this is fine when UK has Big Blue Madness and likes to show off all the campers, show the world how many fans show up for a practice. All is good when it favors UK.
But in yesterdays post by "just facts" the poster alluded to a small part of the injury could be to protect his draft status. Many on here who are bashing others praised this poster for his/her update.
I appreciated any news anyone has on the situation. I like PJ and feel with him we can win this whole thing.
But many so called "inside posters with information" have all shared something in common and that is there are outside influences involved in PJ's ears. Is this true? We don't know but fans are reacting to any news they can get.
I posted yesterday that I felt it was wrong anyone should have to go to an online message board for information on this situation. Again, I point the finger at UK and yes, like it or not, Coach Cal has made statements that contradict some of his from one day to the next.
Point is, we are all UK fans and want to win a championship. I hated reading PJ was done for the year. We need this kid, period.
People forget we had similar situations in the past with injuries and lack of real information from UK. Even then, Coach Cal would put out statements that had many trying to 'read between the lines" as they say. All this causes fans to turn to speculation and fear.
Why not be open about things, that to me is where all the PJ is done talk came from. I don't blame those who posted they felt he was done or was being held back for the draft. I sort of get it, they are worried about this team winning and without statements that add up, minds will wander.
There are many who do not understand those like me, old fans, are used to seeing players suit up and play thru a "mild" sprain as this has been called. With the statements that have come out, it is easy to understand why so many have gotten the feel this could be more than a "mild" sprain.
UK fans are passionate and that is great as long as it fits that days narrative.
Good luck PJ. I truly wish him well. Me, I am getting ready to watch my Cats fight thru a tough game and hope like hell Nick can back up what he said.
Okay, so this thread has established that all of the sane posters understand:
1. PJ is still waiting to be fully healed to play, but that means that his injury is healable in this time frame.
2. Cal and PJ want him to play.
3. PJ's dad is understandably frustrated with the same posters that we all make fun of -
As someone else stated, it's those "basketball is more important than births and funerals" and "screw your kid if he has two bad games in a row" "Cal isn't good enough for this job" types - you know, the ones who only post on extreme emotional lows or (rarely) highs.
At the end of the day, would you rather risk aggravating his ankle for friggin' Wofford, or give him an extra week of uninterrupted healing for an actual game versus a top 10 team like Houston or UNC?
We don't even have to know the specific details of the injury to understand the logical approach here.
Everyone should be able to understand logically and unemotionally that they're doing the right thing by holding him out if he has any condition that can heal and which can be worsened playing a game.
It's not that complicated.
1. PJ is still waiting to be fully healed to play, but that means that his injury is healable in this time frame.
2. Cal and PJ want him to play.
3. PJ's dad is understandably frustrated with the same posters that we all make fun of -
As someone else stated, it's those "basketball is more important than births and funerals" and "screw your kid if he has two bad games in a row" "Cal isn't good enough for this job" types - you know, the ones who only post on extreme emotional lows or (rarely) highs.
At the end of the day, would you rather risk aggravating his ankle for friggin' Wofford, or give him an extra week of uninterrupted healing for an actual game versus a top 10 team like Houston or UNC?
We don't even have to know the specific details of the injury to understand the logical approach here.
Everyone should be able to understand logically and unemotionally that they're doing the right thing by holding him out if he has any condition that can heal and which can be worsened playing a game.
It's not that complicated.
I think most everyone is right - sort of.
PJ clearly has a minor injury of some sort. He will be evaluated and resume activities with no preconceived timeline. That may occur before the tournament is over for UK or at some later point.
Once tested, whenever that is, a decision will be made on if resuming play (or workouts) will cause the injury to linger on or not.
If they think resuming activities will aggrivate the injury, he will continue to be rested. In the end, any decision made will be about business. There's just too much on the line.
PJ clearly has a minor injury of some sort. He will be evaluated and resume activities with no preconceived timeline. That may occur before the tournament is over for UK or at some later point.
Once tested, whenever that is, a decision will be made on if resuming play (or workouts) will cause the injury to linger on or not.
If they think resuming activities will aggrivate the injury, he will continue to be rested. In the end, any decision made will be about business. There's just too much on the line.
Always heard growing up that those type of people acquired drivers licenses from a Cracker Jack box. Can you confirm this, one way or the other, old wise one?
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I just hope there’s a next week for PJ to possibly play. We should be able to beat Wofford without him, but it’s far from a lock.
I honestly think if we win today and then it is announced next week that PJ isn't playing this fan base is going to lose their minds! and to be honest....at this point and timeI can't determine if it will rightfully be so or not! Unless we get some sort of updated medical report that shows a stress fracture, ligament tear or something similar I may tend to agree. Hopefully it is a strain, it will heal over the next few days and PJ will want to be on the court with his brothers!
Yeah, it is that simple and black and white. He gets cleared or not. You can ask all the questions you want, but bottom line they don't owe us crap in terms of status and updates. If he plays, he plays. If not, then he couldn't. We still have a ball game to play. End of story. That's athletics. All this other drivel is little more than soap opera drama. Things that little girls shed tears over. Welcome to reality.
I agree with your post , its rational and logical . Its the announcements and lack of clarity about when/how the injury occurred and the statement made by the Cal that he would play today , and then doesn't , that makes everyone nervous and have doubts about whats going on. Our guys suck it up today and bust " friggin" Wolford in the mouth and PJ comes back all is good .. BUT we lose today OR PJ sets NEXT week after Cal said he would play this week and no one will ever believe a word the university or Cal says about injuries because he allows players to set either because A) he's getting bad info from the doc's or B). he's providing cover for the player . It not that complicated either .
If UK wins today and PJ can't go next weekend, the wisest thing to do would be to say "PJ is done", even in the off-chance that he could come back if UK made a run to the Final Four without him.
It would take away all distractions for the team and mostly for Washington and his family as well.
If you dont mind smoke being blown up your *** , I guess you are correct .. Dont tell me ( and the fan base) he's gonna play , then poof ... he doesn't , and not expect some questioning .. report he's out and its next man up time . That should be reality .
Okay, so when people suggest that he's covering for the player, what are they really saying, though?
I get the issue with the no obvious injury during the UT game.
But I don't think he's covering for a kid thinking about shutting down for stock reasons - we've seen what that looks like - I think most of us suspect he did that for Vanderbilt. By the end, Cal was visibly frustrated by what I suspect was Vanderbilt himself still dragging his heels after being 100% cleared. You could hear the frustration in Cal's voice, which is very telling, because he always goes to bat for his kids.
In other words, if a kid were to lie for that reason, Cal would hate it just as much as we would, and the cover-up would be poor.
On the other hand, say the kid did something stupid, but not necessarily unethical, to get himself injured - something that 19 year olds would do.
Why wouldn't Cal cover for him?
You know for a fact that a dozen idiots would write PJ and blast him for (insert dumb 19 year old activity that got him injured), so why subject him to that?
Am I missing another possibility that you're thinking of?
Medical opinions change. Healing doesn't happen. New information becomes available. Facts of life. You call it smoke. The cognitive public calls it REALITY. Next time you want them to offer your money back for injuries?
Where does this entitlement come from? Do people truly not understand all the things that have to come together to actually win a tournament? Do people really think this is baking a cake? You don't throw the ingredients into a bowl and stir. You have to do all the right things. You have to do them better. And then you have to get LUCKY!! This has been the way of it for decades.
fifyLeave PJ alone. All the bickering about this and it will probably be a mute point after tomorrow or the next game anyway....
I really enjoy many of your posts.
Here, it is easy to believe that you honestly fell mislead (if not, downright lied to); however...I think the SOURCE of your info you have gotten; has lead to that yours and many other's frustrations.
If you were able to actually listen to the pressers, AND NOT JUST QOUTES placed strategically here, or on twitter, you may not feel that way,
t heard Cal say "I expect him to play BUT he is seeing one more specialist"...then after that seeing that specialist,,,, when he (Cal) has spoken, he has not put the "expected" part in any more statements; that I have heard. It has been "we want" he wants" "we hope" "waiting".
There are many on here; and in the UK media, that love drama and are getting all their clicks worth.
and his Dad...imagine if we were him...all the crap you are hearing about YOUR SON. I know it comes with the territory; but you can't blame him for having "a moment" when some of our "fans" are having "moments", "hours" hell, "days"; about his son's and his family's character (or lack thereof). I would have said a hell of a lot worse...but I'm dick, jack *** and smart *** rolled into one.
I think we can all, well 99% of us...1% of you are beyond saving, agree that the way UK and Cal specifically handles this kind of stuff is what leads to the fan tin foil insanity.
Yes, a person's health is more important than any fandom. Yes, not putting it all out there helps with gamesmanship and planning. Yes, ultimately for PJ his future earnings are realistically more important foe him than winning a title at UK.
But all that is to say, when this stuff is handled through the media the way it is, Cal and UK know damn well how fans are going to be, so they don't, in my opinion, get to complain when fans do exactly what we do. Yes, PJ's dad is understandably frustrated and justified in being so. But he's also a coach, and he knows the name of the game. Let's not pretend like any of this is surprising.
If they actually cared more about fans berating PJ and what not, then they would handle stuff like this with complete transparency. They dont, and thats because there's bigger things at stake. Most of us get that. And they do too. So Im just sayinf, maybe just brush off the crazy fans, because you know this stuff is going to happen when you handle these reports this way.
Yes, a person's health is more important than any fandom. Yes, not putting it all out there helps with gamesmanship and planning. Yes, ultimately for PJ his future earnings are realistically more important foe him than winning a title at UK.
But all that is to say, when this stuff is handled through the media the way it is, Cal and UK know damn well how fans are going to be, so they don't, in my opinion, get to complain when fans do exactly what we do. Yes, PJ's dad is understandably frustrated and justified in being so. But he's also a coach, and he knows the name of the game. Let's not pretend like any of this is surprising.
If they actually cared more about fans berating PJ and what not, then they would handle stuff like this with complete transparency. They dont, and thats because there's bigger things at stake. Most of us get that. And they do too. So Im just sayinf, maybe just brush off the crazy fans, because you know this stuff is going to happen when you handle these reports this way.
I totally agree with this too. Meant to get into this in the context of my above post. I think the best way for them to go about this is to just say we dont know and we'll put out more when we do. That's still not going to quell the fringe, but its a heckuva lot better than saying hes playin on Wed, hes in a cast Thursday but its for 2 days, to yesterday hes out today.
This is exactly why we get coach speak answers in interviews. Nothing gained by being honest.
I think Cal has been honest as each day updates come on, but put together with the timeline, it does look bad.
But, UK and PJ don’t owe the fans any transparency! They owe it to the university! And I’m sure the administration knows everything!
understandable...but can you imagine the reaction, if on Sunday he said something like
"PJ was hurt yesterday and we are getting him evaluated; and he may not play this week or even the whole tourney...I expect it too be minor, but we just don't know this for 100%...but as soon as we have a DEFINITIVE answer we will let everyone know,,,"
Thanks — I’m on vacation and not getting to see many real news release . And it might be in Spanish .. lol .. and Lord knows I might wrong .. first time ever
with UK fans, (after JV)..I honestly don't think there is "a good way" to handle this type of situation.
I just know; I WANT CAL, ON THAT WALL
We'll have to agree to disagree here. Sports programs exist at the money making level they do specifically because of fans' money and time. Yes, atheletes are the ones putting in the work, but how many of them would be choosing all that sweat and pain if there wasnt a million dollar pot of gold at the end of that rainbow? Guys wouldnt be sitting out to protect their draft status for millions of dollars of it weren't for the fans, because those millions wouldnt exist. Im not saying we need every aspect of their personal lives and medical history. But to act like atheletes dont owe their lucrative careers and lavish lifestyles to fans is frankly foolish. They wouldnt have any of it without us.
Now dont take any of that and misunderstand me. I believe PJ is playing on Thursday. This is all a more high level discussion on things as they are going with the sport as a whole.
Oh, for sure. We'd still get the same fans saying he's dogging it for draft purposes. But, for myself anyway, that answer would be a lot better than what weve heard this week. Going from we expect him to play Thursday ita just minor to being in a hard cast....cant help but feel like some of the answers we got were disingenuous. Even if they werent.
The law of the land says you are dead wrong. HIPAA says it is his business and those he designates and theirs alone. End of story. Fans have ZERO rights here. Sorry.
First of all, just be honest. Secondly, tell us how he got hurt and when.....just adds more fuel to the fire by saying nothing except he's hurt.
yep
it is actually hard...caring for something so much...and weird (if we look at each other objectively)
we are a crazy group...but we are grade school, compared to many soccer fans
This. This X 10. Like I would NEVER want to be the one to get on here and break bad news about something like that. In fact, IF I had a source that provided me with that information, the last thing I’d do is run here and let everyone know the bad news. I don’t need validation at the expense of my beloved Wildcats.
Go back and read the entire post before firing off. I explicitly addressed that.
They get the bulk of their money from sec, Nike, and boosters! Not your general think I’m owed something fans
why is that so important to you?
game
practice
tripping over dog
walking to class
I was jogging once, stepped on a small rock the wrong way and tore my meniscus..
life ******* happens
Where do you think those entities generate their profits. You cant possibly be this dense. Do you understand basic economics?
@CatfanMike47
you guys are basically on the same side of debate...just a few semantics seem to be setting you off...lets concentrate on the real ********