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RU4Real

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The New Guy on the RU beat talks about the future QB situation. It's mostly recycled stuff and paints the picture that we may be So Screwed. Going into the year, Sitkowski will be the only QB on the roster with game experience (assuming Lewis transfers).

McNulty mixed things up yesterday. There were a lot of mult-back sets (at one point Pacheco, Blackshear and Hilliman were in the backfield at the same time) and at least one option play, that I saw. Given the talent we actually have on the roster, this sort of offensive philosophy is where we need to be, except for one thing - Art isn't mobile. He doesn't (or won't) make plays with his feet and we don't have the horses to play straight pocket.

McNulty is mum on the topic, but I believe there's a serious need for an incoming QB transfer. Kratch mentions Brandon Wimbush, who will obviously have many options, but... to get the SPP kid home would be a great thing.
 
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tico brown

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RU4Real said:
The New Guy on the RU beat talks about the future QB situation. It's mostly recycled stuff and paints the picture that we may be So Screwed. Going into the year, Sitkowski will be the only QB on the roster with game experience (assuming Lewis transfers).

McNulty mixed things up yesterday. There were a lot of mult-back sets (at one point Pacheco, Blackshear and Hilliman were in the backfield at the same time) and at least one option play, that I saw. Given the talent we actually have on the roster, this sort of offensive philosophy is where we need to be, except for one thing - Art isn't mobile. He doesn't (or won't) make plays with his feet and we don't have the horses to play straight pocket.

McNulty is mum on the topic, but I believe there's a serious need for an incoming QB transfer. Kratch mentions Brandon Wimbush, who will obviously have many options, but... to get the SPP kid home would be a great thing.
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You actually think SPP coach isnt going to get into Brandon Wimbush's ear in persuading him to not go to Rutgers after their handling and coaching of Jonathan Lewis?
 
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RU4Real

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tico brown said:
You actually think SPP coach isnt going to get into Brandon Wimbush's ear in persuading him to not go to Rutgers after their handling and coaching of Jonathan Lewis?
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As @vkj91 said, these things are not done in a vacuum. The only legitimate tool I've seen with Lewis is that he can throw the ball really hard. Maybe he's better than what we've seen, I don't know. But I wouldn't say that he was "mishandled."

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Art is more than mobile enough to do what we saw yesterday. He just chooses not to run. There are HS videos of him running quite well and he ran a few times against NW I think
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Why? Why "choose not to run"? Certainly there were dozens of opportunities this season for him to get out of trouble with his legs instead of throwing the ball to the other team.
 
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Knight Shift

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RU4Real said:
The New Guy on the RU beat talks about the future QB situation. It's mostly recycled stuff and paints the picture that we may be So Screwed. Going into the year, Sitkowski will be the only QB on the roster with game experience (assuming Lewis transfers).

McNulty mixed things up yesterday. There were a lot of mult-back sets (at one point Pacheco, Blackshear and Hilliman were in the backfield at the same time) and at least one option play, that I saw. Given the talent we actually have on the roster, this sort of offensive philosophy is where we need to be, except for one thing - Art isn't mobile. He doesn't (or won't) make plays with his feet and we don't have the horses to play straight pocket.

McNulty is mum on the topic, but I believe there's a serious need for an incoming QB transfer. Kratch mentions Brandon Wimbush, who will obviously have many options, but... to get the SPP kid home would be a great thing.
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#FreeAlbericci . . . . wait
#FreeChatman

Hopes are high that Chatman ascends.
 
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vkj91

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RU4Real said:
As @vkj91 said, these things are not done in a vacuum. The only legitimate tool I've seen with Lewis is that he can throw the ball really hard. Maybe he's better than what we've seen, I don't know. But I wouldn't say that he was "mishandled."



Why? Why "choose not to run"? Certainly there were dozens of opportunities this season for him to get out of trouble with his legs instead of throwing the ball to the other team.
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Why choose to throw the ball over and over again to the wrong team? My guess is he has no feel for how to play football.
 
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We were able to keep the ball with Gio's running. MSU had to make sure Blackshear and Pacheko were covered and didn't account for the QB, I am not convinced that Art can do what Gio did.
Sit just made so many poor decisions under pressure.
 
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RU4Real said:
As @vkj91 said, these things are not done in a vacuum. The only legitimate tool I've seen with Lewis is that he can throw the ball really hard. Maybe he's better than what we've seen, I don't know. But I wouldn't say that he was "mishandled."
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One thing I will say is that some kids just thrive better in game conditions. I totally buy the “he lacks touch” comment, but the kid turned it on as the season progressed in HS and had a knack for making a big play. Now that was against HS level LBs so perhaps it doesn’t translate, but he deserved a few games of run to show what he could do. He deserved a shot based on Arts play.

The coach made a pact with Sitkowski and that was that.

Oh well... our crew has a decision to make. To Yellow next year or not to Yellow. That is the question.
 
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One thing I will say is that some kids just thrive better in game conditions. I totally buy the “he lacks touch” comment, but the kid turned it on as the season progressed in HS and had a knack for making a big play. Now that was against HS level LBs so perhaps it doesn’t translate, but he deserved a few games of run to show what he could do. He deserved a shot based on Arts play.

The coach made a pact with Sitkowski and that was that.

Oh well... our crew has a decision to make. To Yellow next year or not to Yellow. That is the question.
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Agree. No way in hell Lewis would have done any worse than what Sitkowski performed this season. Don’t know if to put on Ash or McNulty for the decision not to pull Sit after game four for Gio and/or Lewis because Sit was woefully unprepared. The numbers or lack of numbers don’t lie. Could have been the difference between 3-4 wins this season. A major problem that was highlighted yesterday is our receiving corps. Lack of size, speed, hands and football IQ. This group needs an injection of talent badly. Kudos to the effort on the defensive side of the ball.

GO RU
 
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RU in IM

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Thank God we did not use the new redshirt rule to get Chatman a series or two.
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With our o line play and the inability of our receivers to get open, he would have been killed. Even a returning freshman all American and future NFL QB (Savage) struggled mightily with a suspect O line in 2010. I think a lot of people on this board have on idea how difficult it is to play QB with no protection. Did you watch the Saints\Eagles game last week. Wentz, the MVP favorite last year, looked terrible last week when he had bad protection; 156 yards, three interceptions, no TDs, and only 7 points on offense... sound familiar?
 
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Bill 86

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RU4Real said:
The New Guy on the RU beat talks about the future QB situation. It's mostly recycled stuff and paints the picture that we may be So Screwed. Going into the year, Sitkowski will be the only QB on the roster with game experience (assuming Lewis transfers).

McNulty mixed things up yesterday. There were a lot of mult-back sets (at one point Pacheco, Blackshear and Hilliman were in the backfield at the same time) and at least one option play, that I saw. Given the talent we actually have on the roster, this sort of offensive philosophy is where we need to be, except for one thing - Art isn't mobile. He doesn't (or won't) make plays with his feet and we don't have the horses to play straight pocket.

McNulty is mum on the topic, but I believe there's a serious need for an incoming QB transfer. Kratch mentions Brandon Wimbush, who will obviously have many options, but... to get the SPP kid home would be a great thing.
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Didnt read the article, but Kratch was a big proponent of going with Art this year. His case was that we already knew what we had in Gio.
 
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RU4Real

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Bill 86 said:
Didnt read the article, but Kratch was a big proponent of going with Art this year. His case was that we already knew what we had in Gio.
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I don't think that the QB situation this year was easy to manage, at all. But I do think that it was a mistake to not give Sitkowski some strong clipboard time when he started getting all sideways. He could have absolutely benefited from some opportunities to watch how Gio ran things.
 
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RU4Real said:
I don't think that the QB situation this year was easy to manage, at all. But I do think that it was a mistake to not give Sitkowski some strong clipboard time when he started getting all sideways. He could have absolutely benefited from some opportunities to watch how Gio ran things.
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it wont matter who quarterbacks next year unless there is a 360 on the OL. blazek has to go
 
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RU in IM said:
With our o line play and the inability of our receivers to get open, he would have been killed. Even a returning freshman all American and future NFL QB (Savage) struggled mightily with a suspect O line in 2010. I think a lot of people on this board have on idea how difficult it is to play QB with no protection. Did you watch the Saints\Eagles game last week. Wentz, the MVP favorite last year, looked terrible last week when he had bad protection; 156 yards, three interceptions, no TDs, and only 7 points on offense... sound familiar?
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This guy did not struggle in 2010?
He had moxie and mobility.



 
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tico brown

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vkj91 said:
Or how we gave Hilliman a home when BC kicked him to the curb. This stuff isn’t in a vacuum
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Big difference between being hailed as Rutgers future and being brought in to show the young ones how to do things. Another difference in Hilliman not playing as much because of actual competion from Pacheco and Blackshear and being held back by all means while the starter couldnt even do the things Gio did yesterday.
 
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tico brown

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GSGS said:
One disadvantage of McNulty coming from the NFL is that I don't think that he fully realized the value of having a mobile QB. It is much more important, and viable, in college FB than in the pros.
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Any coach with a half of a brain would be able to change his schemes to fit the personnel he has on the field. This guy thinks its still mid 2000s.
 
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vkj91

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tico brown said:
Big difference between being hailed as Rutgers future and being brought in to show the young ones how to do things. Another difference in Hilliman not playing as much because of actual competion from Pacheco and Blackshear and being held back by all means while the starter couldnt even do the things Gio did yesterday.
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Honestly, I think Ash did Lewis a solid by not burning his RS.
 
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A lot of people can throw really hard but not all of them can end up being a D1 level college QB.
 
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GSGS

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vkj91 said:
Art is more than mobile enough to do what we saw yesterday. He just chooses not to run. There are HS videos of him running quite well and he ran a few times against NW I think
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I hope that you are right. From what I saw of Art this past year, his running reminds me somewhat of Christian Hackenburg, who had surprising straight line speed but could not evade pass rushers. Gio, on the other hand, was often able to make the first defender miss when the pocket broke down. I have not seen Art do that once this year.
 
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Ru-baby

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An you know rettig would not have been successful? Based on what--Tenn Tech and whatever went on down there?

His play at RU, including the oepner and the OSU laser td, left me for one wanting to see more. Nothing Flood or Ash or Tenn Tech has done has left me questioning the play I have seen.

Do agree re Dodd. He starts Floods first year and BCS bowl. Dont have a question about it. See UNC game for toughness and moxie, not just getting hit.
 
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vkj91 said:
Art is more than mobile enough to do what we saw yesterday. He just chooses not to run. There are HS videos of him running quite well and he ran a few times against NW I think
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Lol.. the only thing mobile about art is his phone.
 
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e5fdny said:
Sure will be nice someday when one of them actually bumps their head on said ceiling.
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I have recently spent too much time in my crawl space ceiling successfully drylocking the walls, and I have a lot of dents in my head to prove it.
 
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vkj91

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Garybredow said:
Lol.. the only thing mobile about art is his phone.
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Wrong. Is he JT Barrett? No but he is more than mobile enough to keep D’s honest and move the chains. Have you ever actually watched any film on him? Just like Nova couldn’t run until the Fridge gave him permission to.

 
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tico brown said:
Any coach with a half of a brain would be able to change his schemes to fit the personnel he has on the field. This guy thinks its still mid 2000s.
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He should've adjusted his schemes to the roster talent once he saw the original plan wasn't working. It's just tough to come up with things when the receiving corp can't catch. That being said, didn't see much deviation week to week either. I don't think he got the most out of what he had, QB included.
 
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tico brown

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RUsince52 said:
He should've adjusted his schemes to the roster talent once he saw the original plan wasn't working. It's just tough to come up with things when the receiving corp can't catch. That being said, didn't see much deviation week to week either. I don't think he got the most out of what he had, QB included.
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Shouldve switched gears and run more run oriented offense out of the spread with Pachecho, Blackshear, Hilliman, and a running Gio and J Lewis at QB. Try something else other than doing the same failed thing over and over.
 
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