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Our current rotation includes Baker, Mathis, Harper, Gene, Doorson, Johnson, McConnell, Carter as the top 8 with Thiam and Kiss as 9 & 10.

Unfortunately we only have 8 that we can play. I know it’s hard to have Gene and Baker playing ~32-35 minutes per game, but we just can’t run Kiss or Thiam our there. Just in a few minutes each there are more turnovers, more bad shots/less points, more bad fouls, etc.

If you can slide them into games where you’re up or down by double digits that’s one thing, but to put them in any competitive game is the wrong move.
 

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Was shocked to see Kiss and Thiam on the court at the same time mid 2nd half at a critical juncture. Thiam did a nice job breaking the press a couple of time but that was about it.
 

Mr. Magoo1

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Our current rotation includes Baker, Mathis, Harper, Gene, Doorson, Johnson, McConnell, Carter as the top 8 with Thiam and Kiss as 9 & 10.

Unfortunately we only have 8 that we can play. I know it’s hard to have Gene and Baker playing ~32-35 minutes per game, but we just can’t run Kiss or Thiam our there. Just in a few minutes each there are more turnovers, more bad shots/less points, more bad fouls, etc.

If you can slide them into games where you’re up or down by double digits that’s one thing, but to put them in any competitive game is the wrong move.

I don’t think Thiam should be playing at all while Kiss should be our last rotation player. To have them on the court at the same time is absolutely ridiculous.
 
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Was shocked to see Kiss and Thiam on the court at the same time mid 2nd half at a critical juncture. Thiam did a nice job breaking the press a couple of time but that was about it.
That IMO was a bad job by Pike, because Iowa was employing a full court press. I thought his coaching was terrific except at that point of the game. The cost us at least 4 points there.
 

Mr. Magoo1

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That IMO was a bad job by Pike, because Iowa was employing a full court press. I thought his coaching was terrific except at that point of the game. The cost us at least 4 points there.

Having Mathis in at the end instead of McConnell was also very questionable IMO.
 

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Baker & McConnell were doing very well bringing up the ball. we had a 6 point lead and we brought in Thiam and Kiss at the same time. McConnell went out and we turned the ball over twice in a row. I said to my son we had no one else with Baker to bring up the ball. Iowa scored 6 straight points in like no time at all and the game was tied. I don't think we should have had Thiam out there at that point.
 

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that was a very bad decision by Pike...a blinking moment, I address it in my recap. Unfortunately these two are not contributing how we need them to which would make RU a more complete team and help us through the rough patches. Next year we have Young and Mulchay with everyone else back sans Shaq I, things will be different
 

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It’s clear they are number 10-12 with doicoure next year

Give it a rest ...the two players short to make us a complete 9 man team are signed and sealed
 
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bac2therac

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Stop it. Why is kiss and Issa blamed for that run. Don’t single them out with out naming other guys guilty. Be fair.


because immediately they could not pick up the slack...listen I want to give the benefit of the doubt with both of them but its clear the drop off was tremendous, its more of Pikiells fault here...


I think we gave up 4 and scored on a Carter play so but it was more than just the scoreboard, it really shifted control of the game, RU played from behind the rest of the game.
 

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because immediately they could not pick up the slack...listen I want to give the benefit of the doubt with both of them but its clear the drop off was tremendous, its more of Pikiells fault here...


I think we gave up 4 and scored on a Carter play so but it was more than just the scoreboard, it really shifted control of the game, RU played from behind the rest of the game.

Blaming Kiss and Issa alone is so not fair. Blame the key culprit in the run. We dont have a back up point guard. That was the main story line there. Pike tried to give Baker a rest.
 
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bac2therac

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the player you are referring to didnt have a great game tonight....and Im on the same wavelength with on the post Illinois thoughts and being overdoing it However you cannot play all these players at the same time, its a recipe for disaster, I am shocked Pike actually put that combo out there.
 

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Our current rotation includes Baker, Mathis, Harper, Gene, Doorson, Johnson, McConnell, Carter as the top 8 with Thiam and Kiss as 9 & 10.

Unfortunately we only have 8 that we can play. I know it’s hard to have Gene and Baker playing ~32-35 minutes per game, but we just can’t run Kiss or Thiam our there. Just in a few minutes each there are more turnovers, more bad shots/less points, more bad fouls, etc.

If you can slide them into games where you’re up or down by double digits that’s one thing, but to put them in any competitive game is the wrong move.

Shouldn’t play

Mo
 

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When you are playing against a complete roster of players that can dribble, shoot or pass, it places tremendous pressure on your defense to be good. The defense RU played was excellent all game.

The factors of Kiss and Thiam are not isolated to whether they turned the ball over themselves or had a breakdown, it comes down to whether either player is also able to dribble shoot or pass.

Neither player is able to generate offense with all 3 elements and when that happens, it places more emphasis on the opponent to focus elsewhere.

This game was more about not having a complete roster of 3 dimensional players that can place pressure on an Iowa or Illinois.

Zone offense....i would suggest a player like Mulcahy next year to be a wing player against a zone that can allow his size at 6'5 to 6'6", to be the player that flashes to high post. We had Myles there, because he's our best big man to pass, but he's not going to face the defense, square and shoot 12 to 15 footer....Or take a dribble and kick out to a shooter.

If a Mulcahy or Harper is in that spot vs a zone, that player can attack with a pass, shot or dribble to make the defense react. And having another guard like Young eliminates the unforced errors in handling the pressure defense with silly turnovers that Iowa really didn't earn offensively.

The other factor is better suited for a separate thread, but it comes down to AD Pat Hobbs....when there is a pattern, a very clear pattern of bad calls or 50/50 calls constantly going against your Head Coach, the solution isn't asking your Head Coach to give away 2 free points and the ball with a Technical Foul.

Hobbs as an AD needs to contribute by contacting the B1G office or send a specific message on Social Media or Twitter to shed light on the referees and RU games. The amount of attention that was drawn to Kentucky losing to LSU on Tuesday night wasn't about Kentucky's lack of execution down the stretch of the game, wasn't about their breakdowns of allowing open 3s.

The focus was driven towards a blown call, which didn't cost Kentucky the game...if they waive that tip in, the game goes to OT and Kentucky at home probably wins anyway. Instead, the entire program talked about how faulty the refs were.

Human nature reacts to noise and focus and Hobbs should issue a statement outlining the lack of calls to support his program, his head coach and the players rebuilding this program. If he does that, it will spread quickly in our media market and place pressure or focus on the referees assigned to the rotation of RU games.

There has to be some attention placed on the referees beyond the in game workings during the game. Referees do have an idea on who should win a game, to say they don't is false. It does impact how a 50/50 call goes.

This will slow down the amount of bogus calls constantly going against RU. I could see these calls going against RU if this game was in Iowa City, but at home, RU seemingly gets very few calls.

Doing this now or Monday will cut down on those things vs Minnesota and Penn State at the RAC and force the refs to call a fair game at Iowa and Indiana.

The difference is not asking 18 to 22 year olds to play better or micromanage the FT shooting or mistakes....if anything, Iowa was forced into turnovers and with a better whistle, RU wins by a fair margin of 4 to 7 points.
 

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the player you are referring to didnt have a great game tonight....and Im on the same wavelength with on the post Illinois thoughts and being overdoing it However you cannot play all these players at the same time, its a recipe for disaster, I am shocked Pike actually put that combo out there.

Can’t say I disagree.

Guys need rest. If you can steal 4 minutes with them all getting rest at same time you are golden. We weren’t golden.

I think if u look at the film the run had very little to do with Kiss and Issa. Could be wrong though.