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KyCatFan1

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Need 3's and most of them taken by Fox and Briscoe at the end. No Mulder all game to counter their shooting. Just a poor job by the team and Coach Cal.
 
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MarkPftw

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I know it's only December..but at what point does Cal start taking serious heat for his teams getting beat by less talented teams and teams they were favored to beat ? Let's face it..he puts NBA talent filled teams on the floor every damn game..Wisconsin, UCLA twice, Texas A&M, both UCONN games, Arkansas twice, Tennessee last year, WVU, etc ? 2012 year was amazing..but besides that..I've seen blown opportunities vs. WVU, Wisconsin, UCONN twice, getting beat by Florida three times in a season, getting beat by Robert Morris in the NIT. I get it..Coach Cal saved us from the awful Gillispie and Tubby years..but at some point, like Tubby..he has to start answering to this kind of BS. UCLA was out manned, less talented overall..and they kicked our as IN RUPP.
 

VFO

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Jun 24, 2004
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Oh well. We are putting lots of players in the NBA and making a lot of Mommas happy. (And wealthy). Sure wish we could win another championship though. Year is just starting. We will get better. Only time will tell how much better.
 

Aike

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Mar 17, 2002
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He will keep running Briscoe, letting him shoot jumpers, and not playing Mulder. And we will gripe. And people will remind us that he is the coach and we should trust him. But we will be ousted from the tourney in similar fashion as today, and we will rinse and repeat for next year. Briscoe has crippled the program for the foreseeable future. But Cal doesn't have to allow him to do that. Coach him to play to his strengths.

Briscoe has crippled the program??

How did we ever get to number 1?
 
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Hoskins91_rivals

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I know it's only December..but at what point does Cal start taking serious heat for his teams getting beat by less talented teams and teams they were favored to beat ? Let's face it..he puts NBA talent filled teams on the floor every damn game..Wisconsin, UCLA twice, Texas A&M, both UCONN games, Arkansas twice, Tennessee last year, WVU, etc ? 2012 year was amazing..but besides that..I've seen blown opportunities vs. WVU, Wisconsin, UCONN twice, getting beat by Florida three times in a season, getting beat by Robert Morris in the NIT. I get it..Coach Cal saved us from the awful Gillispie and Tubby years..but at some point, like Tubby..he start answering to this kind of BS. UCLA was out manned, less talented overall..and they kicked our as IN RUPP.
He'll get flack when you stop asking stupid questions.
 
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ManitouDan_anon

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Briscoe's minutes and role need to be reevaluated...he's too much of a wild card...

need hawk's steadiness, leadership, defense, free throw shooting, consistency, etc..

Don't know if we can play Monk , Fox and Dom at the same time , not enough size and rebounding . Insert DW , leave his *** in there , and we get size and shooting .
 
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I rarely question Cal, but inexcusable for Mulder to not even see the floor in a game like this.
What I don't get is the apparent stubbornness. Each year there is unmatched loyalty to some players regardless of results. I know, I know I don't go to practice, yada yards, but BRISCOE just attempted the 2nd most 3 pointers today (making none), dribbled out of bounds 3 times got beat often and Mulder can't sniff the floor? At some point someone needs to tell Briscoe he is open from 3 for a reason.
 

KyCatFan1

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I've always been against Coach Cal's switch everything defense and this game is exactly why. Why every other team can screen us to death and get good open looks and mismatches and we don't change a thing to stop it is beyond me?
 
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UCLA just made shots. If you make shots you can play with anyone. Most were with a hand in their face. Name a team they wouldn't have beat today. It's early December. We will improve. Bashing the players and coach over it is petty
 

Mike-D

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Jul 14, 2001
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I know it's only December..but at what point does Cal start taking serious heat for his teams getting beat by less talented teams and teams they were favored to beat ? Let's face it..he puts NBA talent filled teams on the floor every damn game..Wisconsin, UCLA twice, Texas A&M, both UCONN games, Arkansas twice, Tennessee last year, WVU, etc ? 2012 year was amazing..but besides that..I've seen blown opportunities vs. WVU, Wisconsin, UCONN twice, getting beat by Florida three times in a season, getting beat by Robert Morris in the NIT. I get it..Coach Cal saved us from the awful Gillispie and Tubby years..but at some point, like Tubby..he has to start answering to this kind of BS. UCLA was out manned, less talented overall..and they kicked our as IN RUPP.

Sounds like we should have won every game, or it would have been a failure to you.
 
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blubo

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I get that Mulder isn't good defensively but who was today? give him a shot, see if he will rise to the occasion. they have to guard him too.
I hear you, but we scored 92 -- you expect to win if you score that many.
I see the difference in the game as some of the ungodly 3s they jacked up.
These teams looked pretty evenly matched today. hate to say it but they are the real deal.
 

KyCatFan1

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UCLA just made shots. If you make shots you can play with anyone. Most were with a hand in their face. Name a team they wouldn't have beat today. It's early December. We will improve. Bashing the players and coach over it is petty

More were wide open then contested shots. When you have guys close to 7 feet tall being guarded inside by 6'3 you get wide open shots. When your guards are being guarded by big men on the perimeter you get wide open shots. Even when there wasn't a mismatch, how many times did our guards play off theirs when the ball was away from them and failed to get back quick enough when the ball rotated back to them?
 
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sdryan2_rivals

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Nope. His other post was about white boys. Then a post about work ethic being better than athleticism.

You don't know what racist means?

Must've missed the white boy post, my bad. Only saw work ethic/athleticism post. I don't disagree with him though, it's obvious Welsch has worked on that 15 footer since it's essentially automatic. Killed us 2 years in a row. Not to say that our players don't have good work ethic but they always seem to be the ram it down your throat type athletes rather than pop out and hit the 15 footer with finesse type. I took it more of a compliment to Welsch than racism.
 

blubo

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More were wide open then contested shots. When you have guys close to 7 feet tall being guarded inside by 6'3 you get wide open shots. When your guards are being guarded by big men on the perimeter you get wide open shots. Even when there wasn't a mismatch, how many times did our guards play off theirs when the ball was away from them and failed to get back quick enough when the ball rotated back to them?
All those 3s that went into the hole weren't uncontested.
I think someone said you can't have too many shooters.
 

Ineverplayedthegame

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Any place else, Briscoe would be a role player. 10-15 minutes a game. Get about 4-5 shots a game. No 3's. Only one jumper unless he makes it. Play D and rebound.
Here Cal has to show everyone that he can make him a lottery pick.
Didn't work with the twins. Not going to work with Briscoe.
 

MarkPftw

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He'll get flack when you stop asking stupid questions.

Sounds like we should have won every game, or it would have been a failure to you.


I don't think it's stupid at all. He's in year EIGHT. Of course I know it's extremely unrealistic to win every game..it's impossible. But it's also inexcusable to give up 97 in Rupp to an out manned team..it's mind-boggling to lose a title game, two final 4s, and an elite 8 to far less talented teams. Hell, Coach Stoops gets UK to a bowl game in football after talks about being fired all season long and he's just in year four..and working with the less talented team damn near every SEC game. But because I say, Cal, in year EIGHT might should answers some questions for the crapfest we saw today defensively and wonder when he's going to take some heat..people are up in arms.
 

CincyUKFan

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Briscoe has crippled the program??

How did we ever get to number 1?

Yup.

Crippled.

He logs major minutes and shoots jumpshots, we lose a lot more. And we're stuck with him for two more years because the NBA doesn't draft shooting guards who can't shoot. Fun times ahead.
 

Mike-D

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I don't think it's stupid at all. He's in year EIGHT. Of course I know it's extremely unrealistic to win every game..it's impossible. But it's also inexcusable to give up 97 in Rupp to an out manned team..it's mind-boggling to lose a title game, two final 4s, and an elite 8 to far less talented teams. Hell, Coach Stoops gets UK to a bowl game in football after talks about being fired all season long and he's just in year four..and working with the less talented team damn near every SEC game. But because I say, Cal, in year EIGHT might should answers some questions for the crapfest we saw today defensively and wonder when he's going to take some heat..people are up in arms.

Yeah, I'm so up in arms.


This loss is on Cal. Briscoe was awful today, and Cal just left him out there all game. Mulder has been playing pretty good when he actually gets clock, so he should have gotten some of those minutes.

Yes it's year 8. The hell does that have to do with anything? I'm looking at the total body of work. While I'm pissed, I'm not gonna lose my friggin mind over a game in early December with a young team.
 
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GnarlsBarkley

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UCLA beats you with spacing, passing and shooting. there wasn't a lot of slashers that Mulder couldn't stay in front of, but regardless Mulder not playing didn't cost us the game. I just think he could've helped down the stretch when we were down and needed some shots to fall
 

mgrody

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Must've missed the white boy post, my bad. Only saw work ethic/athleticism post. I don't disagree with him though, it's obvious Welsch has worked on that 15 footer since it's essentially automatic. Killed us 2 years in a row. Not to say that our players don't have good work ethic but they always seem to be the ram it down your throat type athletes rather than pop out and hit the 15 footer with finesse type. I took it more of a compliment to Welsch than racism.
Everything is racism nowadays. Only way to not be called a racist is to say nothing and write nothing. And, better watch your body language too.
 
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MarkPftw

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Yeah, I'm so up in arms.


This loss is on Cal. Briscoe was awful today, and Cal just left him out there all game. Mulder has been playing pretty good when he actually gets clock, so he should have gotten some of those minutes.

Yes it's year 8. The hell does that have to do with anything? I'm looking at the total body of work. While I'm pissed, I'm not gonna lose my friggin mind over a game in early December with a young team.

Being in year 8 has everything to with body of work. The SEC Titles and SEC Tournament Championships and the 2012 year was AMAZING..but you have to put the bad in with the good..a blown Elite 8, 2 blown Final 4s, and a blown Title game is the bad..and all that bad outweighs the good, in my opinion. I say "blown" because UK was more talented team every time. Regardless, this team has a lot of work to do..as does Cal..if we don't want another finish like last year.