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[QuaoarsKing]

Curious why you think this... I'm not saying he isn't, but resume doesn't look that impressive.

Tracy smith was the Indiana coach in 2013 and 2014. He won back-to-back big 10 titles and a CWS. In 2015, lemonis took over. Here's his big 10 finishes since he took over...

2015 = 6th
2016 = 3rd (tie)
2017 = 6th
2018 = 5th

He made a regional in 2015 (1-2 record), 2017 (1-2), and 2018 (2-2)

ETA... stats were wrong. Wrong year. My apologies

Getting to a Regional as an at-large team 3 out of 4 years in a non-power conference is pretty impressive.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

From the delta? I once knew a Phillip Lemonis repo man.

Never once heard that name as a baseball coach, but do know someone with that name that’s a Repo Man.

 

[diggidydog]

Anybody know what he benches?

 

[PineGroveBully]

Baseball is the one sport where if you can get the horses the rest normally works out. If the players like him and he gets the horses and is competent he'll do fine. There's a reason MLB coaches/managers are paid a fraction of the other sports while doing a lot more work. LaRussa was by far the highest paid and would have been bottom 5 in NFL or NBA

 

[G-Dawg]

Anyone else concerned that he's supposedly "one of the premier hitting coaches" AND we're keeping Jake Gautreau? Hope neither have huge egos. Would have loved someone who is more inclined toward pitching with Gautreau staying aboard.

 

[MSUDC11]

Anyone else concerned that he's supposedly "one of the premier hitting coaches" AND we're keeping Jake Gautreau? Hope neither have huge egos. Would have loved someone who is more inclined toward pitching with Gautreau staying aboard.

Cant hurt to have both, and we can still get a good pitching coach.

 

[Ace-Leroy]

I do not like this one bit. Bad move by cohen .

 

[Sundawg1974]

Patch things up? You obviously know nothing about that situation.

Could you kindly inform those of us who “obviously know nothing” what did happen. I’m willing to wear the label for good info.

 

[Go Budaw]

It was stupid to say what he did but cohen genuinely thought he was including assistants in those comments. Which means lemonis actually fits the bill. Agains, should have been smarter than that

I think “stupid” is an overstatement. I mean yeah, there’s some things that he probably wishes he’d said differently or with a little less specifics, but what did people really expect him to say in that setting?

“Yeah, since we’re not hiring in November now, we feel pretty good about getting a guy who has actually been a head coach before. We think we can get someone who has maybe even taken his team to a few regionals too, so we’re gonna start talking to some guys soon.”

He would have been crucified for that. It’s all about context. If you went to the car dealership and test drove a car, and the salesman said he loved it and it would be the best car you’d ever driven, and it was actually NOT the best car you’d ever driven after you bought it, would you really turn around and get mad at the salesman?

 

[Bulldogg31]

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[Len2003]

I think this is a good hire, but Cohen should not have put ideas in people’s heads. His ego got to him, and he should have played it close to the vest. Praise the gods that Gautreau is staying. That was my best case scenario. Getting someone else and keeping Gautreau. I never thought that would happen, so I was on the Hendo train to keep Gautreau.

Head coaches don’t move around in baseball. Cohen knows what he’s doing. This guy recruited under McDonnell.

 

[CoolDawg]

I will trust IB on this one. He knows baseball & has had time to vet the candidates. Obviously does not meet the criteria he set our early in the process though.

I trusted him when we hired Cannizaro and look how that turned out. Leaving out his extra curricular activities, from everything I have heard, Cannizaro was in way over his head.

 

[paindonthurt_]

The lesson he should have learned is that fans take things how they wanna take them and not at fave value.

 

[BiscuitEater]

.. but Cohen knows more than me.

Like Chris Lemonis + Jake Gautreau BUT we will need to find a really good Pitching Coach if Hendo doesn't want to stay on in that capacity.

 

[bulldogcountry1]

According to the search function, "Lemonis" was not used a single time on this board before yesterday.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Don't ever say we can't keep a secret **

 

[Carbaryl]

Lemon is Lemonis

Off the hoof, I'm not loving this hire, mostly because of cohens promises falling flat. Bet he wishes he could have done that differently. I think we could have gotten schloss had we not telegraphed our intentions and given tcu time to react. Holding out hope for someone else, but if it's him, I will begrudgingly give him my support. Butch should have been the guy if we couldn't get our top targets

Butch and Lemonis are the same level of a hire.Tracy Smith didn't leave Lemonis much when he took the Indiana job and yet they still went to a regional in year one.I like Butch but he isn't near the same level of a recruiter that Lemonis is.Indiana has been a top 35 rpi team every year Lemonis has been there,so that's a good sign that he wasn't just playing bad teams to make a regional.Indiana got better every year he was there once some of his talent got to school.Like I saw saying Smith didn't leave him much of anything.

2018(Big 10 stats)
#2 in hitting(#1 in home runs)
#1 in pitching
#3 in fielding %

2017
#7 in hitting (#1 in home runs)
#6 in pitching
#2 in fielding %

2016
#9 in hitting(#5 in home runs)
#2 in pitching
#4 in fielding %

2015
#6 in hitting (#6 in home runs)
#5 in pitching
#9 in fielding %

 

[CEO2044]

Not to offend anyone, but the main people mad about what Cohen said are probably the ones that were bragging about us probably hiring Schlossnagle or McDonnell to numerous people and are mad that it made them look bad.

No hire is official until it's over. Just wait next time to brag, if you must. This is not a bad hire, and it may be an excellent one (I haven't done any research at all on him, just going off of the little I've read here and there). I personally trust Cohen to make the best hire for us, especially with baseball.

 

[57stratdawg]

You seem to be reading way more into my post than I intended. But why don’t you fill us in on the insider info and we’ll go from there.

 

[patdog]

It was stupid to say what he did but cohen genuinely thought he was including assistants in those comments.

No. He didn't. The simple fact is Cohen 17ed up and counted his chickens before they hatched in that interview.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Cant hurt to have both, and we can still get a good pitching coach.

If only there was one nearby....just kidding.

I trust that will kick grande amounts of arse in the next decade of college baseball. Hail State and Go Dogs.

 

[DerHntr]

This is not a bad hire... (I haven't done any research at all on him...

Not to offend you, but this made me laugh.

 

[Shmuley]

Me, upon hearing about this hire ..................................................................................................................

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[PreacherDog]

Those sound great but here's the truth. We hit 35 more doubles, 3 more triples, and scored 48 more runs. And remember our offense got off to a very slow start in first half of the season (we started 3 or 4 freshmen all year) and we didn't get the benefit of playing against Big 10 opponents. Sure they hit 23 more hrs but we didnt hit many (45). Sure we played 9 more games but 4 in Omaha where we didn't hit very well in 3 of the games, especially the last 2.
I hope this is great hire but it sure doesn't feel like it. I'm sure he can recruit. I will wait and see.
Stats in Big 10 versus Big 10 competition don't matter much to me. Here's a great example:
Their team ERA would have been the best in the SEC.
Here's where their hitting numbers rank compared to SEC (even though they played a much lighter schedule):
AVG. - 5th
Slugging - 4th
OBP. - 4th
2B - 9th (t)
3B - 7th
HR - 6th
R - 12th
Here are our ranks this year in SEC
Avg. - 8th
Slugging - 11th
Obp. - 14th
2b - 1st
3b - 3rd
Hr - 11th
R - 5th
Remember we didn't walk much especially with our approach in the second half. We play in a ballpark that doesn't give up many hrs.

 

[FQDawg]

Those sound great but here's the truth. We hit 35 more doubles, 3 more triples, and scored 48 more runs. And remember our offense got off to a very slow start in first half of the season (we started 3 or 4 freshmen all year) and we didn't get the benefit of playing against Big 10 opponents. Sure they hit 23 more hrs but we didnt hit many (45). Sure we played 9 more games but 4 in Omaha where we didn't hit very well in 3 of the games, especially the last 2.
I hope this is great hire but it sure doesn't feel like it. I'm sure he can recruit. I will wait and see.
Stats in Big 10 versus Big 10 competition don't matter much to me. Here's a great example:
Their team ERA would have been the best in the SEC.
Here's where their hitting numbers rank compared to SEC (even though they played a much lighter schedule):
AVG. - 5th
Slugging - 4th
OBP. - 4th
2B - 9th (t)
3B - 7th
HR - 6th
R - 12th
Here are our ranks this year in SEC
Avg. - 8th
Slugging - 11th
Obp. - 14th
2b - 1st
3b - 3rd
Hr - 11th
R - 5th
Remember we didn't walk much especially with our approach in the second half. We play in a ballpark that doesn't give up many hrs.

You realize he isn't bringing those players with him, right?

 

[Coledawg]

We could hire Jesus Christ (who you know can get things done and some of you guys would *****, *****,*****.....He doesn’t have the proven record, hasn’t been know to recruit just like don mullins, been known to have a temper, just look at his attire, well, you get the picture....

 

[Shamoan]

If you are going to make the candidate pool at msu, you are going to have a strong resume right off the bat. It's not like we would be considering a crappy coach that hasn't made an impact. That said, from a lineup like schloss, mcdonnell, corbin, and lemonis, one is definitely not like the others.

I have to trust Cohen on this. I think we all do, but it's definitely a reset from what we were expecting and the names associated with the job. I will support him. I didn't want Henderson as hc, but I really feel bad for him now after this hire. I say that with the acknowledgement that Lemonis may be the greatest coach we have ever had. Time will tell.

 

[Shmuley]

^^^This. He ran his 17n mouth. Any honest reflection confirms that no state fan is "very happy" with this hire. Tons of us would have been "very happy" with Schloss or McDonnell or Corbin or even Tadlock. Who the 17 is this guy? Lesson learned. The fact that Bastard has Jean peddling complete ********, skirt blowing fluff about this guy should speak volumes. The best thing I can say is that I don't feel quite as completely bum17ed as I did when the disaster Rick Ray was hired. Bastard at least has the fact that he does not appear to have crossed that incredibly low bar going for him.

 

[maroonmania]

If Henderson isn’t retained, he should never have to buy a meal in our city again.

Agree, in one year of being our "interim head coach" Henderson tied the best finish at the CWS that Polk ever had in his decades of coaching MSU baseball.

 

[Coledawg]

I’m not sure if that’s better than just keeping hendo, but Cohen knows more than me.

So, one guy says Cohen doesn’t know more than you, kudos.....

 

[PreacherDog]

Sure. But if you think just because they led the Big10 in hrs that we will lead the league in hrs your crazy. All I'm saying posting rankings from Big10 is stupid.

 

[ShrubDog]

How many CWS appearances does he have?

 

[patdog]

I trusted him when we hired Cannizaro and look how that turned out.

It was working out well until his meltdown. Can’t blame Cohen for that.

 

[Shmuley]

Zero as a head coach. But that's not what bastard meant. **

 

[BiscuitEater]

We hit 35 more doubles, 3 more triples, and scored 48 more runs. And remember our offense got off to a very slow start in first half of the season (we started 3 or 4 freshmen all year) and we didn't get the benefit of playing against Big 10 opponents.

So .. are ALL those players and freshmen quitting or leaving 'cause we hire a new HC? Isn't Jake Gautreau , the hitting coach, staying around.

 

[VegasDawg13]

If you went to the car dealership and test drove a car, and the salesman said he loved it and it would be the best car you’d ever driven, and it was actually NOT the best car you’d ever driven after you bought it, would you really turn around and get mad at the salesman?

I hope the relationship between our fans and AD is never analogous to that between me and a car salesman.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

You seem to be reading way more into my post than I intended. But why don’t you fill us in on the insider info and we’ll go from there.

Would you hire a guy that has the same issues that Canni got fired for a few months ago? I don't know if I would or not, but I won't blame Cohen for not.

 

[Bulldogg31]

We could hire Jesus Christ (who you know can get things done and some of you guys would *****, *****,*****.....He doesn’t have the proven record, hasn’t been know to recruit just like don mullins, been known to have a temper, just look at his attire, well, you get the picture....

Jesús...Dominican kid? I've heard good things about him. Not sure we can keep him out of the draft though.

 

[Tigr2ndbase]

I know some people associated with IU baseball and they have great things to say about the guy. I’m looking at this like the Moorhead hire. We really had no clue about him compared to who we thought we might get but now we’re all stoked about football season. If not for the statements IB made, I think we would be looking at this differently. If these guys can recruit like I hope they can, we’ll be competing. I’m excited and looking forward to many more Omaha trips.

 

[Shamoan]

His recruiting ability will be the great equalizer. The stadium will certainly help. We should know next recruiting cycle what we have.