Kelly Bryant/Keytaon Thompson

[messageboardsuperhero]

Can someone explain to me why some think it is a forgone conclusion that KT transfers if we land Bryant?

He would have to use his redshirt year to sit out next season anyway if he transfers. If I was in his shoes and we got Bryant, I would try to take 2019 as a redshirt year, then compete for the starting job in 2020 with Mayden and Shrader. If one of them beats him out that spring, he could potentially grad transfer before the 2020 season, get immediate eligibility, and have two years to play two at the new spot. Either way, if we get Bryant and he beats out KT, then KT would not be a starting QB anywhere in 2019.

He may transfer if we get Bryant and I have no inside info, but it just makes no sense to me unless he doesn’t feel like Joe’s offense fits him.

 

[Oak23]

I really don’t understand why folk think KB takes KT for starting QB. KT was rated as the 3rd best dual qb out of high school as a strong 4 star qb. KB was rated around 10-15. After watching KT, This last year when he got his opportunity he looked to me to be a better thrower than FIts and a great runner as well. So, I will be excited seeing whoever is starting - if it’s KT , I don’t think we lose any at the skill position. What does everyone else think?

 

[missouridawg]

I really don’t understand why folk think KB takes KT for starting QB. KT was rated as the 3rd best dual qb out of high school as a strong 4 star qb. KB was rated around 10-15. After watching KT, This last year when he got his opportunity he looked to me to be a better thrower than FIts and a great runner as well. So, I will be excited seeing whoever is starting - if it’s KT , I don’t think we lose any at the skill position. What does everyone else think?

KB completed around 65% of his passes in a season in which he made it to the national title game (or atleast the semis). He’s a very good QB who has experience at the RPO stuff. I hate that it would affect KT, but if JoMo thinks KB is bEtter for 2019, then give me KB.

 

[Drewbowski]

I thought gradtransfers require not using a redshirt?

 

[bully12]

I really don’t understand why folk think KB takes KT for starting QB. KT was rated as the 3rd best dual qb out of high school as a strong 4 star qb. KB was rated around 10-15. After watching KT, This last year when he got his opportunity he looked to me to be a better thrower than FIts and a great runner as well. So, I will be excited seeing whoever is starting - if it’s KT , I don’t think we lose any at the skill position. What does everyone else think?

I'm still trying to understand why everyone is so enamored with Kelly Bryant? I live in the upstate South Carolina and have followed his career, plus I'm exposed to Clemson and Clemson fans continuously. KB was the weakest link on the field with 10 other very talented players. Trevor Lawrence was such an upgrade for Clemson at QB, it was only a matter of time until KB started riding the pine, much as Hurts is now doing at Bama. KB had 10 other players on the field that made him look much better than he is. He obviously would not be surrounded with that overall talent level in Starkvegas. Having said all that, JoMo is the coach and I am not. If he thinks KB is an upgrade, then so be it.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

After watching KT, This last year when he got his opportunity he looked to me to be a better thrower than FIts and a great runner as well. So, I will be excited seeing whoever is starting - if it’s KT , I don’t think we lose any at the skill position. What does everyone else think?

I think most of your fellow similar-thinking minions learned how idiotic this was back during the Texas A&M game.

 

[philduckworth]

Can we hold off on all of this until after KB makes his decision? Thanks in advance.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Who really cares if we get Bryant or not. The guy is not Cam Newton.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

I really don’t understand why folk think KB takes KT for starting QB. KT was rated as the 3rd best dual qb out of high school as a strong 4 star qb. KB was rated around 10-15. After watching KT, This last year when he got his opportunity he looked to me to be a better thrower than FIts and a great runner as well. So, I will be excited seeing whoever is starting - if it’s KT , I don’t think we lose any at the skill position. What does everyone else think?

First High School rankings don’t matter as soon as they are college players. 2nd even though I like Key he has not proven to be a better passer than anyone. His completion percentage is buried in the 40s. Kelly Bryant has a career completion percentage of 66%. Don’t let 4 passes against Arkansas sway you from the full body of work. Third Kelly Bryant has experience as a starter for a Playoff team. Experience is invaluable.

 

[thatsbaseball]

JoMo maybe ?

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Who really cares if we get Bryant or not. The guy is not Cam Newton.

Because he’s currently better than anyone we have on campus. That’s why. It gives you certainty at the QB position next season. And before you say you’re certain about Key, the coaches who are recruiting their asses off to get him here see Key every day in practice. Apparently they think he’s an upgrade over Key too.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Because he’s currently better than anyone we have on campus. That’s why. It gives you certainty at the QB position next season. And before you say you’re certain about Key, the coaches who are recruiting their asses off to get him here see Key every day in practice. Apparently they think he’s an upgrade over Key too.

This is right here. KT is probably going to transfer if we land Bryant. The coaches would not be recruiting him if they were not very confident he was a better player than KT. It doesn’t mean he’s awesome. It probably just means that they think KT is worse.

 

[57stratdawg]

Which is puzzling considering how good he’s looked in his opportunities. You don’t just luck into the SEC record for most TDs in a game. He’s got like 20 career TDs now in +/- 4 games.

I don’t expect him on the roster next year.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Which is puzzling considering how good he’s looked in his opportunities. You don’t just luck into the SEC record for most TDs in a game. He’s got like 20 career TDs now in +/- 4 games.

I don’t expect him on the roster next year.

He was playing against SF Austin and basically throwing against air. He completed under 50 % of his passes that game. Rip Kirk would have lit up that team as well. He does not fit what Joe wants as a passer. He needs someone who has some mobility, but is going to hit above 60% throwing the ball. KT is about like Fitz throwing the ball. He may end up being our guy next year, but the way Joe is recruiting KB, it’s pretty obvious that Joe does not want to go that route.

 

[57stratdawg]

Right. Moorhead is driving the decision. Frankly, I think the decisions have all been made, I just don’t think one party has formally told the other.

I would expect him to have plenty of P5 options. It’ll be tough to watch him go.

 

[Go Budaw]

If Bryant comes here AND beats out KT (which isn’t a certainty), then KT is gone. No sugarcoating it. There is no point in KT redshirting and staying in a system that his HC feels he isn’t suited for. Just gotta see how it plays out. The best option is KT improving by leaps and bounds between now and August and beating out Bryant if he comes. So we’ll see.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

It is hard to find a college dual threat QB who can run as well as NF and KT and still hit 60+ per cent of his pass attempts, especially with the overall mediocre talent level at the WR position. KT was awesome in big boy high school football in the state of Louisiana. The kid is a baller.

QUOTE=campshelbydog842003;1562583]He was playing against SF Austin and basically throwing against air. He completed under 50 % of his passes that game. Rip Kirk would have lit up that team as well. He does not fit what Joe wants as a passer. He needs someone who has some mobility, but is going to hit above 60% throwing the ball. KT is about like Fitz throwing the ball. He may end up being our guy next year, but the way Joe is recruiting KB, it’s pretty obvious that Joe does not want to go that route.[/QUOTE]

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Which is puzzling considering how good he’s looked in his opportunities. You don’t just luck into the SEC record for most TDs in a game. He’s got like 20 career TDs now in +/- 4 games.

I don’t expect him on the roster next year.

Ha Against Stephen F. Austin buddy. Just about any QB in the SEC would have at least the same numbers if they played the whole game. Most would have a lot better numbers. The 3 games he has played the most in are against Ole Miss, Louisville, and Stephen F. Austin. Those are the 3 worst defenses he’ll ever see in his career.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Why would KT want to stick around until the fall before deciding to transfer? He would likely go through Spring practice, see where he is on the depth chart, then decide.

 

[57stratdawg]

He played one of them without an offensive coaching staff. All you can ask a kid to do is deliver when his number gets called.

He’s done that so far in his MSU career.

 

[Go Budaw]

Why would KT want to stick around until the fall before deciding to transfer? He would likely go through Spring practice, see where he is on the depth chart, then decide.

Because he can enroll at a new school and go through practice all season with a new team even if he leaves in August. That being said, the writing may be on the wall in the spring. Maybe not. Chances are, our coaches will split the reps between the two of them 50/50 and hedge their bets as much as possible before fall camp.

 

[Dawg1976]

He threw a pretty impressive td pass against Arky. Just one play but impressive nonetheless.

 

[o_dawgnabit]

I'm still trying to understand why everyone is so enamored with Kelly Bryant? I live in the upstate South Carolina and have followed his career, plus I'm exposed to Clemson and Clemson fans continuously. KB was the weakest link on the field with 10 other very talented players. Trevor Lawrence was such an upgrade for Clemson at QB, it was only a matter of time until KB started riding the pine, much as Hurts is now doing at Bama. KB had 10 other players on the field that made him look much better than he is. He obviously would not be surrounded with that overall talent level in Starkvegas. Having said all that, JoMo is the coach and I am not. If he thinks KB is an upgrade, then so be it.

This is what I’ve been saying too. My fiancé is from SC and her family is all diehard Clemson fans. They were saying all last year KB wasn’t impressive and that he would get beat out this year. He only threw 13 TDs in 14 games with Clemson talent and against ACC defenses. Give KT Clemson talent and I think he performs better than that. But JoMo feels he needs KB to win then do it. I just don’t see it. I think it’s just to help make an easier transition to get Shrader on the field sooner.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

It's because I think KT isn't good at all and will struggle.

He's a bad passer - think Fitz but without the wheels. Anyone decent will be an upgrade.

 

[lanceharbor7]

Exactly. Having lived and worked in Clemson and watched his career, KB is the MSU equivalent of Chris Relf. He's definitely NOT Trace McSorley. He's physically very talented, doesn't read defenses particularly well and isn't the most accurate. He's a good kid and leader, but he was definitely limiting Clemson's offensive upside, hence he packed his bags and left once Lawrence became the obvious choice. Hell, when Lawrence signed with Clemson, one of the other 4/5 star QBs on the roster posed the question of one of them transfering. Bryant said he was gonna stay and battle with Lawrence so the other kids transferred out.

The only upside to one year of KB is that the competition makes KT better. Otherwise, it's a mediocre band aid approach.

I'm still trying to understand why everyone is so enamored with Kelly Bryant? I live in the upstate South Carolina and have followed his career, plus I'm exposed to Clemson and Clemson fans continuously. KB was the weakest link on the field with 10 other very talented players. Trevor Lawrence was such an upgrade for Clemson at QB, it was only a matter of time until KB started riding the pine, much as Hurts is now doing at Bama. KB had 10 other players on the field that made him look much better than he is. He obviously would not be surrounded with that overall talent level in Starkvegas. Having said all that, JoMo is the coach and I am not. If he thinks KB is an upgrade, then so be it.

 

[lanceharbor7]

That is simply false.

Because he’s currently better than anyone we have on campus. That’s why. It gives you certainty at the QB position next season. And before you say you’re certain about Key, the coaches who are recruiting their asses off to get him here see Key every day in practice. Apparently they think he’s an upgrade over Key too.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

KB completed around 65% of his passes in a season in which he made it to the national title game (or atleast the semis). He’s a very good QB who has experience at the RPO stuff. I hate that it would affect KT, but if JoMo thinks KB is bEtter for 2019, then give me KB.

I would imagine both Fitz and Key could put up similar numbers at Clemson in the ACC. they really don't have any competition in that conference as far as defense goes. usually florida state, but they have been terrible as of late. Clemson by far has the best defense in the conference and it's not even close. Nobody has pass rushers like the SEC with so many teams so that makes it a lot harder to throw successfully. i'm ready to see what KT can do. I'm all for Bryant coming, but I don't think it's a given he wins the job or does any better than the guys we currently have on roster. Would be a shame if came in, and got beat out again. Schrader may come in and beat them all. I doubt it, but you never know.