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I completely disagree that next season will not be a good one. We will return a ton of starters, Fitz will have a full year as a starter, Mullen's best recruiting class will be juniors and sophomores, and we're adding some decent looking JUCO prospects to fill some holes.
I noticed you didn't mention the O-line. Our O-line is terrible. We can't establish anything without improvement there and it's not coming. You can't make plays when you can't block. Auburn is going to live in our backfield Saturday.
Good grief, you sound like the most miserable fan ever.
You might not be cut out for M-State fandom.
In case you missed it, Dak threw 3 god-awful passes last night.
You might not be cut out for M-State fandom.
In case you missed it, Dak threw 3 god-awful passes last night.
We'll return Calhoun, Jenkins, and Rankin, with Tommy Champion coming in to play the other guard spot. Darryl Williams at center is a guy who had some legit offers.
I just see the 2014 offense become one of the most productive in SEC history without a single guy drafted into the NFL on it.
I just see the 2014 offense become one of the most productive in SEC history without a single guy drafted into the NFL on it.
We should definitely wait till the season is over. If there we see improvement with the team, then you have to give him a chance. If you see him completely lose the team, then firing is definitely on the board.
No need to pull a LSU at this point. Les saved his job at the end of last season only to not make a single change. This is a different situation.
Where would OM be today if they had not fired Cutcliffe -- and created a disaster for themselves in the coaching community? You remember the guy -- national coach of the year a few years back -- beat Notre Dame last week at worse P5 football job than ours? Know who else was national coach of the year a few years back?
It's the exact same deal as 2013 -- only now we have enough of a sample size to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Mullen indeed can get us to the next level.
It's the exact same deal as 2013 -- only now we have enough of a sample size to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Mullen indeed can get us to the next level.
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My God I get so damn tired of hearing this ignorant tripe. So, according to these geniuses, at some arbitrary point in an SEC coaches career (3 years? 5 years? 8 years? who the hell knows) you should never have a losing record again. Rebuilding years should be lower tier bowls EVERY YEAR WITHOUT EXCEPTION, average years are New Year's Day bowls and really good years and undefeated seasons and national championships.
Woohoo! Look e'rybody! I'm better than you because I don't accept med'ocrity!!!
If I'm not mistaken, you predicted MSU to win 8 games this year on your show before the year. Everyone, including you, knew it was going to be a rebuilding year yet we could all look at the schedule and see that we had a lot of games that should be winnable even in a down year due to a really easy nonconference schedule and 2 easy east opponents. I think we can all get on board that we will always have rebuilding years, but up to this point in the season what Mullen has put onto the field is unacceptable in any year. Maybe the guys will grow and get better but right now we are staring 4-8 in the face if we don't start playing better and with this schedule that should always be unacceptable. If we had an Ole Miss type schedule and were struggling people would probably not be jumping off of bridges.
I did, but nobody could have seen the South Alabama game coming. But as a program we've advanced to the point where we just had our first really bad loss in 8 years. We use to have one a year, sometimes more than one. Mullen is responsible for that.
You say people will get on board with rebuilding seasons, but you obviously haven't read this board.
You say people will get on board with rebuilding seasons, but you obviously haven't read this board.
I agree that no one could have seen South Alabama coming, but it happened and it's not the only game we have looked horrendous in. The way we played against South Alabama is the way we have played for a good portion of the season. I understand that we have sucked for 120 years, but we now have a 100 million dollar budget, great facilities, and can pay coaches on par with the rest of the country. This isn't some destination job, but we should expect better than we are currently seeing in any year, rebuilding or not. Now if you say that Mullen is responsible for that upward change, I would agree to a large extent. It still doesn't excuse the product he is currently putting on the field so far this year. I just think people on both sides of the fence need to let the rest of the year play out before we say Mullen is completely safe or Mullen needs to go. I don't think either stance is accurate at this point.
I think he makes more than Bielema this year due to his raise, so that would put him at 6 out of 7.
I'll let you do that.
Be sure to let me know when Mullen finally Beats Bama and the next time we beat TSUN(won't be this year) or LSU.
Be sure to let me know when Mullen finally Beats Bama and the next time we beat TSUN(won't be this year) or LSU.
No. Just no.
MSU reported a total revenue of $75,400,407 last year. The amount ranked 45th among 231 schools that reported their figures and ranked 13th of the 13 SEC schools in spending at $69,493,395.
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Then you should also understand that MSU doesn't have the athlete alumni or donor base that historically successful programs have. Just look at how much more money has poured into MSU in the last 7 or 8 years and the attendant effects on our facilities. Now imagine that effect on a program/facilities multiplied for decades. This is a very basic way to explain just how big of a disadvantage our 70 years of **** football and administration is. See also:
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What do you think it says to recruits when, on a typical SEC game night in Tiger Stadium, Shaq is ******* bench pressing a cheerleader on the sidelines while 100,000+ fans are screaming their faces off? We don't have this ****. We are 13th in spending in the SEC. We have the lowest athletic budget in the SEC.
By all measures, we are the Moneyball program of the SEC and we've done a phenomenal job. Yes, bad losses suck. But as others have mentioned, we used to enjoy a bad (even horrific) loss at least once a season. We have advanced further than I thought possible in the last 7 or 8 years.[/FONT]
MSU reported a total revenue of $75,400,407 last year. The amount ranked 45th among 231 schools that reported their figures and ranked 13th of the 13 SEC schools in spending at $69,493,395.
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| # | SEC | Record | Win % | SEC Championships | Claimed National Championships |
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| 1 | Alabama | 864–326–43 | .718 | 25 | 16 |
| 2 | Tennessee | 820–371–54 | .680 | 13 | 6 |
| 3 | LSU | 771–404–47 | .650 | 11 | 3 |
| 4 | Georgia | 788–413–54 | .649 | 12 | 2 |
| 5 | Auburn | 749–427–47 | .632 | 8 | 2 |
| 6 | Florida | 701–404–40 | .630 | 8 | 3 |
| 7 | Texas A&M | 718–466–48 | .602 | 0 | 3 |
| 8 | Arkansas | 700–484–40 | .588 | 0 | 1 |
| 9 | Mississippi | 655–504–35 | .563 | 6 | 3 |
| 10 | Missouri | 668–541–53 | .550 | 0 | 0 |
| 11 | South Carolina | 587–561–44 | .511 | 0 | 0 |
| 12 | Vanderbilt | 589–599–50 | .496 | 0 | 0 |
| 13 | Kentucky | 593–605–44 | .495 | 2 | 1 |
| 14 | Mississippi State | 541–562–39 | .491 | 1 | 0 |
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What do you think it says to recruits when, on a typical SEC game night in Tiger Stadium, Shaq is ******* bench pressing a cheerleader on the sidelines while 100,000+ fans are screaming their faces off? We don't have this ****. We are 13th in spending in the SEC. We have the lowest athletic budget in the SEC.
By all measures, we are the Moneyball program of the SEC and we've done a phenomenal job. Yes, bad losses suck. But as others have mentioned, we used to enjoy a bad (even horrific) loss at least once a season. We have advanced further than I thought possible in the last 7 or 8 years.[/FONT]
Striklin went on Hadad's radio show a few weeks back and said that the budget for this coming up year would be right under 100 million dollars. If that's not what it is going to be this year then he lied about it. You are reporting last year's numbers and the budget has increased since then, per our former AD.
As to your other point, I don't expect us to be LSU (no one else with any sense does either), but asking us to win 6 games in a down year with a bunch of cupcakes on the schedule is not too much to ask when you have advanced financially and facility wise the way that we have. You are saying that we can't expect to be LSU and no one is disagreeing with you. Mullen didn't get his contract renewed last year after we won 19 games the past 2 years. That should probably be a red flag to you.
As to your other point, I don't expect us to be LSU (no one else with any sense does either), but asking us to win 6 games in a down year with a bunch of cupcakes on the schedule is not too much to ask when you have advanced financially and facility wise the way that we have. You are saying that we can't expect to be LSU and no one is disagreeing with you. Mullen didn't get his contract renewed last year after we won 19 games the past 2 years. That should probably be a red flag to you.
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How much of that beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt proof is due to several of our division opponents being down? Does LSU, Auburn, Arkansas & A&M being in transition in or down in 2014 prove Mullen can get us to the next level? I'm not so sure.
Even in rebuilding years we shouldn't lose to USA. That is a gash that is going to fester and be hard to heal.
Ask the people that dropped 18G's on a cabana if they got their monies worth.
Ask the people that dropped 18G's on a cabana if they got their monies worth.
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Well first of all, Dan should have made MORE money over 2014 and 2015 than Les, considering how Dan won more games and got us in a New Years Six bowl, right? Your entire premise is wrong, since we paid less money for better results in the time period you specified.
If we're 13th of 13 in spending in the SEC
then it doesn't matter what the budget is-we're still behind every other SEC program. Also, just mentioning the overall budget doesn't indicate how much MSU spends on football relative to the football budgets of the other SEC schools. We may not be last in football spending, but I can't imagine we're higher than 9th or 10th (ranking above Kentucky, Vanderbilt and maybe Arkansas).
That Mullen's contract wasn't extended does not translate to a red flag in my opinion. His pay is competitive and there's no need to renegotiate at this time.
I think its an unreasonable expectation for MSU always win 6 games at a minimum, without exception. Most years we beat USA, I think 9 out of 10 times we beat USA, but we fell short this year. It's a bad loss. Does that mean we fire Mullen? No, it doesn't.
It would be criminal for LSU, Bama, Auburn or Florida to lose to USA and/or not win at least 6 games every year, including rebuilding years. The same is not true for MSU, especially when you consider the state of the SEC and SEC West. One slip up game and we're in for a bad time. We're beyond lucky USCe sucked this year.
then it doesn't matter what the budget is-we're still behind every other SEC program. Also, just mentioning the overall budget doesn't indicate how much MSU spends on football relative to the football budgets of the other SEC schools. We may not be last in football spending, but I can't imagine we're higher than 9th or 10th (ranking above Kentucky, Vanderbilt and maybe Arkansas).
That Mullen's contract wasn't extended does not translate to a red flag in my opinion. His pay is competitive and there's no need to renegotiate at this time.
I think its an unreasonable expectation for MSU always win 6 games at a minimum, without exception. Most years we beat USA, I think 9 out of 10 times we beat USA, but we fell short this year. It's a bad loss. Does that mean we fire Mullen? No, it doesn't.
It would be criminal for LSU, Bama, Auburn or Florida to lose to USA and/or not win at least 6 games every year, including rebuilding years. The same is not true for MSU, especially when you consider the state of the SEC and SEC West. One slip up game and we're in for a bad time. We're beyond lucky USCe sucked this year.
Again, for the 3rd time, no one is asking us to win with the upper tier of the SEC. We have 4 nonconference teams this year that we have distinct money and every other type of advantage over that we should never ever lose to. We also get to play the worst 2 teams in a bad SEC East division. One just hired a horrible coach and the other doesn't give a 17 about football. In a down year with that particular schedule, it should be unacceptable to people that matter for us to win less than 6 games. If we scheduled FSU and played Tennessee and Florida in the East, then a 4-8 / 5-7 year is more understandable, but we don't. We have an extremely favorable schedule and there is no excuse to not go to a bowl game this year. Also, if Mullen not getting a contract extension last year doesn't concern you then you aren't paying attention.
One more thing. Once you get a budget up to where we are now, how much more does more money really help you? We have new facilities, have enough money to have good coaches in all sports, made tons of stadium upgrades. If we had another 100 million dollars, what would we spend it on? Recruits? I know that money is something that you can never have too much of, but at some point you have diminishing returns in this league don't you?....unless you put it in a recruiting slush fund.
One more thing. Once you get a budget up to where we are now, how much more does more money really help you? We have new facilities, have enough money to have good coaches in all sports, made tons of stadium upgrades. If we had another 100 million dollars, what would we spend it on? Recruits? I know that money is something that you can never have too much of, but at some point you have diminishing returns in this league don't you?....unless you put it in a recruiting slush fund.
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If we're 3-1, 4-0 or 1-3, a rebuilding year or not, Mullen needs to recruit better. Can you not agree to that? For the record I'm not on the "fire Mullen" bandwagon, I just want him to take this job more seriously & recruit better. The signs are obvious.
We'll agree to disagree.
USA is bad loss. I don't think it's a fireable offense.
Lots of uses for the money, and it makes an enormous difference.
As of 2013/14, I believe Alabama spent around $15mm on football coaches/assistants. For that same year, MSU's entire football expenses totaled right at $15mm. I've seen nothing that would indicate this spending proportion has meaningfully changed in the last two years.
In 2013, TAMU raised $740mm, with $500m earmarked for renovating Kyle Field and upgrading the football complex at the cost of $20.8mm. Here are a few pictures of the football complex:
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If we had another $100mm, it would officially go to coaches, assistant coaches and facilities. And I believe it would make an enormous difference.
USA is bad loss. I don't think it's a fireable offense.
Lots of uses for the money, and it makes an enormous difference.
As of 2013/14, I believe Alabama spent around $15mm on football coaches/assistants. For that same year, MSU's entire football expenses totaled right at $15mm. I've seen nothing that would indicate this spending proportion has meaningfully changed in the last two years.
In 2013, TAMU raised $740mm, with $500m earmarked for renovating Kyle Field and upgrading the football complex at the cost of $20.8mm. Here are a few pictures of the football complex:
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If we had another $100mm, it would officially go to coaches, assistant coaches and facilities. And I believe it would make an enormous difference.
Of course you are not sure**
We were a Dak shitburger game away from winning the SEC west outright in Tuscaloosa 6 games in and being a playoff lock regardless of the Egg Bowl. Multiple red zone/end zone INTs in a game we lost by less than a touchdown. But it was just luck that year -- you say.
If we win 2 of 3 from Auburn, Arkansas, and A&M, nobody will care. And again, that is our first bad loss in 8 years. As compared to....
2001 Troy
2003 Tulane
2004 Maine, UAB, Vanderbilt
2005 Houston
2006 Tulane
2008 Louisiana Tech
And I left out losses to bad Kentucky and Ole Miss teams. In the seven years prior to Mullen we were 4-10 against Kentucky and Ole Miss, Mullen is 7-0 and 4-3, and of course, we get the put the asterisks next to the Ole Miss wins.
2001 Troy
2003 Tulane
2004 Maine, UAB, Vanderbilt
2005 Houston
2006 Tulane
2008 Louisiana Tech
And I left out losses to bad Kentucky and Ole Miss teams. In the seven years prior to Mullen we were 4-10 against Kentucky and Ole Miss, Mullen is 7-0 and 4-3, and of course, we get the put the asterisks next to the Ole Miss wins.
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