Kellenberger on Dan today
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Wow. That guy's a complete prat. So blinded by his ill-concelead loathing, Helen Kellenberger didn't see how Mullen said the right things while setting up Freezus to fail by comparing the two universities, without mentioning the other.
I thought Dan did a horrible job not answering that question. He knew it was coming and didn't have a response.
But the article is something I'd expect to written by Parrish Alford. Just a ton of jabs in between.
The media is right to bring attention to the fact that he didn't answer the question. HEEE shouldn't be within miles of the journalism industry though.
But the article is something I'd expect to written by Parrish Alford. Just a ton of jabs in between.
The media is right to bring attention to the fact that he didn't answer the question. HEEE shouldn't be within miles of the journalism industry though.
See, I think he did have a response. He talked about his university, & its diversity, not flying the flag, etc. To me he put the burden on the coach of the school with stronger ties to the emblem in question. An elongated, more diplomatic "There's certainly one program in this state on the rise."
Eh, I mean... I'm glad he told everyone that we don't fly it and that MSU is the most diverse school in the conference, but it's pretty easy to read between the lines on this one.
He redirected a few times and basically ended up saying nothing while saying something because he doesn't want to step on the toes of the people who think the flag is important enough to keep that they'd shun the head coach. And based on the Facebook comments and everything else over MSU's statement (that more or less said the same) I think that was probably a warranted fear.
I'm extremely proud of the fact that MSU is so diverse and goes extremely far out of the way to deflect southern stereotypes. I don't think it's as well know as it should be. But this was Dan playing politics. And I didn't think he would.
He redirected a few times and basically ended up saying nothing while saying something because he doesn't want to step on the toes of the people who think the flag is important enough to keep that they'd shun the head coach. And based on the Facebook comments and everything else over MSU's statement (that more or less said the same) I think that was probably a warranted fear.
I'm extremely proud of the fact that MSU is so diverse and goes extremely far out of the way to deflect southern stereotypes. I don't think it's as well know as it should be. But this was Dan playing politics. And I didn't think he would.
It was a total deflection. Spurrier was asked the same question earlier this year and he said "they should take the damn thing down" without hesitation. Kinda wish he would've been his usual brash, yankee, "don't sugarcoat ****" self on this one. He's a coach/salesman/swagmaster, not a politician but sometimes you gotta play politics.
I mean... It's not "all over campus." It's in a couple of locations, but I can only think of three locations. It's at graduation as part of the platform itself... It's pretty standard to have it as part of a platform. It's also on the platform at my local church, too, so there's that.
You can get technical If you want. Did he lie in the sense that "you won't find it on our campus?" Then yes, he lied. But it's only flown in a couple of spots, so it's definitely not "all over campus."
You can get technical If you want. Did he lie in the sense that "you won't find it on our campus?" Then yes, he lied. But it's only flown in a couple of spots, so it's definitely not "all over campus."
Really wish SOMEONE in our university leadership/administration would let the ol' nuts hang and come out on the correct side of this argument, instead of waiting til after it is inevitably changed. Strick... Keenum... someone.
I don't care if he thinks Mississippi should adopt a dirty dish towel as the state flag, just win 10 games again and beat Ole Miss.
Ok so 3 of those pictures are with a color guard. Do you really think a color guard of the military is going to not fly the flag?
There is one with Keemun on a platform... Again I say that's standard platform protocol for a state university.
In 8 years on campus I've never seen the flag fly on the drill field flag pole. So that must have been a special circumstance. (Actually that picture is 10+ years old. The base of the flagpole was redone circa 2004ish)
You can keep being technical all you want. He lied. Fine. Whatever. But the flag is not flown "all over campus."
There is one with Keemun on a platform... Again I say that's standard platform protocol for a state university.
In 8 years on campus I've never seen the flag fly on the drill field flag pole. So that must have been a special circumstance. (Actually that picture is 10+ years old. The base of the flagpole was redone circa 2004ish)
You can keep being technical all you want. He lied. Fine. Whatever. But the flag is not flown "all over campus."
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Technically, the alumni space deck AKA The Hunter Henry Center is considered off campus somehow. They did that so they could serve alcohol at functions.
I wish his answer had been more Spurrier-esque as well, but let's face it: Dan is about one notch above Les Miles when its comes to saying a lot of words without really saying anything. Not to mention he was probably told (by someone who can tell him that) what to say or at least what not to say when asked this question.
Exactly. I don't care what Mullen, freeze, Sean Payton, klinsman or any other coach think about a flag and I'm not sure why anyone would. They're there to win football games. Especially in college where you have to recruit, you don't want to say anything that can be used against you or cost you a chance on a recruit.
Dan is also the king of having his words distorted by his many haters. I remember earlier this summer he was interviewed about Harbaugh at Michigan using "satellite camps" across the country to nab recruits from beyond state borders. He was quoted on twitter something like "I think if Harbaugh has a camp, it should be to teach MI kids to be better football players." Subsequently blew up on reddit with people commenting, without reading the context of the quote, thinking he was insulting the quality of athletes coming out of MI, despite that we had a recruit from MI visiting our campus in the week prior. May be in our best interest that he tip toed this one, as this issue is a little more sensitive than recruiting.
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Yes, I mean the anti CSA, anti Jim Crow, pro US, winners of the war 150 years ago, pro civil rights.... correct side. If you really want to drag this out aGAIN there is another thread already roaring, or just PM me or something.
Just doesn't have that good ol boy, Spurrier, Bowden, Freeze charm that some other coaches have. Lest we forget, he ruffled quite a few feathers among MSU administrators/alumni/etc... until he started winning games.
wow, kellenberger calling mullen out for not taking a clear stand on an overtly, and apparently increasingly racist symbol in our state. hold on to your hats boys because he is going to rip ole miss a new ******* for their NIKE tm "confederate gray" uniforms they unveiled a couple of seasons ago, their team nickname, the origins of their university name, the recent and past race relations involving "riots" of various scale, their noose tying, their confederate flag waving, south rising again nonsense, and their kkk hosting history.
seriously....just wait gize.....lets pop some popcorn in anticipation of the lambasting this respectable "journalist" is about to unleash on rebal nation. what a 17ing clown that guy is. can we put a referendum on people starting threads about kellenberger or generally any om journalist fanboy? its getting ridiculous...they will take every shot they can and die before they view their own university under the same microscope and its truly the epitome of hypocrisy. why any of you give this clown and the others of his ilk the time of day is beyond comprehension.
seriously....just wait gize.....lets pop some popcorn in anticipation of the lambasting this respectable "journalist" is about to unleash on rebal nation. what a 17ing clown that guy is. can we put a referendum on people starting threads about kellenberger or generally any om journalist fanboy? its getting ridiculous...they will take every shot they can and die before they view their own university under the same microscope and its truly the epitome of hypocrisy. why any of you give this clown and the others of his ilk the time of day is beyond comprehension.
I don't give a fliyng 17 what Dan thinks of the flag, I also could give another flying 17 what any of you think about the flag. Dans our football coach, I only care what Dan thinks about our football team and its players.
Asking Dan about his thoughts on the flag at media days is about as 17ing stupid as as asking the President his thoughts on Burger King while he's giving a State of the Union address.
Asking Dan about his thoughts on the flag at media days is about as 17ing stupid as as asking the President his thoughts on Burger King while he's giving a State of the Union address.
while i dont think the flag is racist, it certainly has become a racist symbol to the main stream. there seems to be a turning point regarding symbols of the confederacy (right or wrong) and the more taboo those symbols become, the more om looks to embrace that symbolism by keeping its numerous ties to the old south and the confederacy. this issue will continue to loom like a dark cloud over their heads for years to come and bring with it the negative connotations of that time that can and will only be lifted once they distance themselves from that history. their administrators have seen this coming and have slowly implemented change that will affect the long term identity of that university, but the rebel flag hullabaloo may hasten that change. in this ever increasing pc world, im not sure how names and symbols that university carries can escape the ever mounting push to change. as a mississippian, i would support the change to the flag because honestly, im tired of hearing about it. much like the farve retirement saga, just end it already.
I honestly haven't kept up with this that much and thought people were fussing over the confederate flag. I didn't realize it's the state flag people are fussing over. Of course the state flag is going to be flown on a state campus and it should be. If they want to change it then fine, we will hang that flag up. I could care less one way or the other. But it's not like at ole miss where they actually fly the confederate flag. You see kids there flying it all the time. If it were the state flag that would be different. I don't see all the fuss about the state flag. I guess the corner piece is what's people are complaining about and it's kind of petty. If we do change the flag I hope they let us vote on the design or something. I hate to replace it with something hideous.
Well, now that Hew has seen how Dan answered, he'll take the high road and say "We should take down that flag". And that will appease about 7% of their fan base, and piss off the rest of them. No win situation.
Just coach fkn football and win games. As someone said, I don't look to a coach for guidance on this issue.
Just coach fkn football and win games. As someone said, I don't look to a coach for guidance on this issue.
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Agree 100%. No reason to drag a coach into these type issues. The flag is coming down. Dan’s opinion would change nothing, but would likely offend those who didn’t agree with him. Dan gave a well considered response. The reporter just didn’t like it.