Keep in mind when discussing Diaz in 2010

57stratdawg

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We faced the following players and coaches that year:

Cam Newton
Mark Ingram
Stevan Ridley
Julio Jones
Eddy Lacy
Randall Cobb
Ryan Mallet
Knile Davis
Kevin Sumlin
Gus Malzahn
Jim Mcelwain
Bobby Petrino
Urban Meyer
Rich Rodriquez

Thats some pretty serious fire power to finish with the 3rd best scoring D in the conference.
 
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MSUDC11

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The SEC West in 2010 might have been the best it's ever been.

Auburn won the national title and had one of the best college players of the last 20 years.

Arkansas went 10-3 and was absolutely loaded on offense.

Bama may have been the best three-loss team of all-time. So much talent on that team.

LSU went 11-2.

We were 9-4 and still ended up being the 5th best team in the division.

Manny did have a lot of future NFL guys on his defense to work with, but you're right about him having to stop ridiculous offensive talent every week that season.
 

121Josey

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SEC West 2010 is stronger than 2014? Not top to bottom.

Take that list in the OP and compare it to who State played in 2013.
 
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If Manny could not stop the spread offenses that were so prevalent in the Big 12 while he was at Texas, why do we think he will be able to stop them in the SEC?
 

79dawg4life1

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I am not sure that Texas has been relevant and over rated since they won that national championship. Sometimes the big get complacent. I think Texas recruited not for their needs.

One thing that is different at MSU is that we now have facilities to attract the recruits and a fan base that is very energized for success. This past season was electric. We have had seasons but our fan base was incredible in our new stadium.

There is no reason that a coach can see how much MSU has changed and want to return.
 

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Manny is probably a better X`s & O`s coach and O would probably be better at getting more adrenalin and passion out of his players. We`ve all seen what talented, uninspired defenses look like (which sounds like what Manny had at Texas) and we all know you can`t play defense without a fire in your belly (which is what O got out of his guys while he was head coach at SoCal). I would personally take the guy that had the best potential to get the most out of the players he has rather than the guy who knows more about the game but can`t inspire. I`d rather have O but at the same time realize he probably wouldn`t mesh well with personality like Mullen`s.
 

patdog

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SECW was a LOT stronger #1-#5 in 2010. Stronger at #6-#7 in 2014.
 
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I was referring to his years at Texas, but regarding Cam, the MSU game was his second game running Gus's offense. In 2012, Ole Miss put up 66 pts on Manny's D. It is hard to believe he didn't have talent at UT. If he is our guy, I hope he is successful but I'm not overwhelmed by this hire.
 

msstate7

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I was referring to his years at Texas, but regarding Cam, the MSU game was his second game running Gus's offense. In 2012, Ole Miss put up 66 pts on Manny's D. It is hard to believe he didn't have talent at UT. If he is our guy, I hope he is successful but I'm not overwhelmed by this hire.

I thought Robinson was Texas' DC for that game. Regardless, if players aren't buying in, it doesn't matter who the coach is. Wouldn't what Diaz did here be more relevant that what he did at Texas, no?
 

engie

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If Manny could not stop the spread offenses that were so prevalent in the Big 12 while he was at Texas, why do we think he will be able to stop them in the SEC?

Manny stopped the spread in the SEC before. It wasn't just Auburn, but also Urban and RichRod. It was Arkansas' pro-style passing attack that gave us the most trouble... and even then, we held them to 24 in regulation...

Personally, I can argue both ways on Manny, and I'm pretty sure I have at one time or another. He had an amazing amount of front line talent here in 2010 across all levels of the defense. Enough front line talent that if it had been the number one defense in the country that year, given the hindsight of the guys in the NFL now, no one would have batted an eye at the thought. He had enough LB talent to stop the sideline to sideline bs even if the scheme wasn't that good. In those ways, I can argue that he underperformed while here -- and took more risks than we had to take given the skill level we had.

At the same time, he had no depth then. None. Only 3 of the "1Bs" at the time of the Gator Bowl ever became starters for us, which is insanity. And makes it all the more insane that we didn't take a larger step back in 2011. Thanks Fletcher...

I'm not just crazy about it -- but I like him as a DC infinitely more than the idea of turning the keys over to O. Manny always seemed to make excellent halftime adjustments...
 
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I was referring to his years at Texas, but regarding Cam, the MSU game was his second game running Gus's offense. In 2012, Ole Miss put up 66 pts on Manny's D. It is hard to believe he didn't have talent at UT. If he is our guy, I hope he is successful but I'm not overwhelmed by this hire.

You got that backwards. Texas beat Ole Miss, 66-31.
 

Hammer Down

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I was referring to his years at Texas, but regarding Cam, the MSU game was his second game running Gus's offense.
Another myth promulgated by losers. How about when Geoff Collins held Gus' 2013 rushing attack in check more than anybody else? I guess that was also because they did not know what they had.
 

Sutterkane

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Plus that game was 38-10 in the 3rd quarter. Who gives a **** what happens on defense at that point. They probably played a LOT of subs on d.
 

121Josey

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Another myth promulgated by losers. How about when Geoff Collins held Gus' 2013 rushing attack in check more than anybody else? I guess that was also because they did not know what they had.

Please tell me that you're joking.


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