Keennum's Move

[greenbean.sixpack]

If you're Keenum, should your next move be to "relocate" Stephen Lee's statue before students return to campus? Heck just do it in the middle of the night, no announcement and replace it with a huge bully statue. It's not like Lee is a beloved figure, he's not even a native of MS. He was a confederate general and was the first president of MSU.

 

[msstatelp1]

If you're Keenum, should your next move be to "relocate" Stephen Lee's statue before students return to campus? Heck just do it in the middle of the night, no announcement and replace it with a huge bully statue. It's not like Lee is a beloved figure, he's not even a native of MS. He was a confederate general and was the first president of MSU.

Personally I don't see a problem with his bust where it is since it was done because he helped found the university not because he was a Civil War general. Likewise I don't have a problem if Keenum wants to move it.

 

[MSUDC11]

Keep in mind that the most famous classroom building on campus is also named after Lee. They won’t just stop at the bust, they’ll be coming after Lee Hall too.

 

[mstateglfr]

The lack of nativeness is about the dumbest reason to remove it. If it is removed, hopefully that isnt cited as a reason.

 

[mcdawg22]

Replace it with a statue of Dak. Rename it Dak Hall. That should get us some brownie points.
Better yet, replace it with the handshake from the Game of Change.

 

[00Dawg]

Game of Change sounds like a winner.

Relocate Lee to somewhere out of the way in Lee Hall, which doesn't get renamed. I'm fairly to the right as traditional definitions of politics go, but even I think that would be a win.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

The lack of nativeness is about the dumbest reason to remove it. If it is removed, hopefully that isnt cited as a reason.

Well, he ain't from around here...

 

[Go Budaw]

Keep in mind that the most famous classroom building on campus is also named after Lee. They won’t just stop at the bust, they’ll be coming after Lee Hall too.

Oh noes, not Lee Hall***

Seriously, besides the donors who are actually alive now (and of course never owned slaves) who put up big bucks to get their names on buildings, does anyone really care what the names of the academic buildings are? I see no reason at all why we wouldn’t change any that are offensive to show general goodwill / awareness if for no other reason. It’s an odd hill to die on.

 

[aTotal360]

Supposedly this conversation has been had with an on-campus diversity group. Rumor is the administration has offered to grind off the confederate lapel pin on the statute.

 

[Shamoan]

it wont stop there. we will have to rename some buildings and kneel a few times.

 

[Seinfeld]

I don’t always agree with all your takes, but I agree with this one. It’s like trying to buy a $300k home and getting hung up over a $750 allowance for paint. We’ve got to be looking big picture, and if we can make a small move like this to show good will, it’ll be worthwhile. Especially considering our state’s historical stigma which is eventually going to put the media’s high beams on both us and OM.

Personally, I think a lot of the name changing and statue toppling is getting silly, but it’s a small price to pay to stay out of the limelight

 

[Shmuley]

I suspect the drill field statue has been declared historically significant by Mississippi Department of Archives and History. If this is correct, Keenum has no authority to act unilaterally with respect to the statue. Ultimately, IHL would be required to petition MDAH board of trustees for permission to move the statue. This is what is happening at The University of Ole Miss with respect to the confed statue they want to move to the confederate cemetery.

 

[engie]

Where does the deletion of history all end, honestly? IDGAF about the Lee statue nor Lee Hall. But I'm just asking because this slippery slope doesn't seem to have an end. There's going to be a point in time when all these little appeasements have been made that the mob comes for the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument and people aren't going to sit back and take it anymore.

 

[JMC987]

Where does the deletion of history all end, honestly? IDGAF about the Lee statue nor Lee Hall. But I'm just asking because this slippery slope doesn't seem to have an end. There's going to be a point in time when all these little appeasements have been made that the mob comes for the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument and people aren't going to sit back and take it anymore.

When they run out of statues and monuments. Then they'll come after the racial make up of the school staff and coaches. A big US company put a company policy Out this week that they want minorities and particularly minority females, in VP roles by this time next year.

Your next University president will be hired based on skin color and gender.

 

[Phil Wenneck.sixpack]

^^^^^^ This is fact. ^^^^^^

Engie is correct as well. When things like the Jefferson Memorial or Washington Monument get targeted, that's when **** will hit the fan. And make no mistake, eventually they will be targeted. Some of you change warriors that keep accommodating to try and keep the peace are eventually going to be forced to part ways with something you don't want to lose.

 

[mcdawg22]

Where does the deletion of history all end, honestly? IDGAF about the Lee statue nor Lee Hall. But I'm just asking because this slippery slope doesn't seem to have an end. There's going to be a point in time when all these little appeasements have been made that the mob comes for the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument and people aren't going to sit back and take it anymore.

There is a realistic stopping point. But this is the response anything changes and honestly it’s just getting tired. 95 Theses? What’s next other Christian denominations? Then what? We can’t burn witches? 1865 Wait? We are going to allow them to own land? What’s next? They can vote? What’s next? Allowing women to vote? I’m sure people in the 60’s said, Front of the bus? What’s next they are allowed in our schools? What’s next they are allowed to date white people? What’s next? Interracial marriages? Gays can get married? What’s next, you can marry dogs? We all come to a compromise eventually. Not only that, but practices that seem sacred and necessary now may not be that way in 100 years. For God’s sake we still celebrate Columbus Day.

 

[Go Budaw]

Where does the deletion of history all end, honestly? IDGAF about the Lee statue nor Lee Hall. But I'm just asking because this slippery slope doesn't seem to have an end. There's going to be a point in time when all these little appeasements have been made that the mob comes for the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument and people aren't going to sit back and take it anymore.

I’d say it ends where you don’t start 17ing with people that weren’t clearly on the wrong side of history. Yes, Jefferson / Washington had ties to slavery. But their time on this earth also preceded the serious discussion about the morality of slavery by almost 100 years. I don’t think you can fault them for that, and to this point I don’t know of any mainstream movement to change anything about those buildings or others that are similar. Its a totally different ballgame when you’re talking about individuals that were alive when the horrors of slavery and servitude based on race were being publicly hashed out and exposed, and they still chose the wrong side.

Plus, we all know Jefferson was no racist....

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I suspect the drill field statue has been declared historically significant by Mississippi Department of Archives and History. If this is correct, Keenum has no authority to act unilaterally with respect to the statue. Ultimately, IHL would be required to petition MDAH board of trustees for permission to move the statue. This is what is happening at The University of Ole Miss with respect to the confed statue they want to move to the confederate cemetery.

Great input!

 

[40 acres and a mule]

Engie is correct as well. When things like the Jefferson Memorial or Washington Monument get targeted, that's when **** will hit the fan. And make no mistake, eventually they will be targeted. Some of you change warriors that keep accommodating to make peace are eventually going to be forced to part ways with something you don't want to lose.

Washington, Jefferson, and even Lincoln statues have been vandalized or toppled in some places. A Lincoln statue in Boston is being targeted for removal. It has gotten to the point of being destructive just to be destructive, or to be vindictive. At some point, someone will have to stand up and say "NO" to the mob. This country is really short on adults right now.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

The correct logic should be, “Is this person being celebrated specifically for their contributions to slavery or the Confederacy?” The Washington Monument And Jefferson Memorial should clearly stay. We aren’t honoring them because of their contributions to slavery, but for the founding of our nation. Same with Stephen Lee. He’s being honored for his role in the beginnings of Mississippi State University, not for any role he had in the Confederacy. Otherwise if you want to play this game, the FIRST President we get to honor for anything in the USA is President Donald J. Trump. To date, he’s the only president to take office in support of gay marriage.

Engie is correct as well. When things like the Jefferson Memorial or Washington Monument get targeted, that's when **** will hit the fan. And make no mistake, eventually they will be targeted. Some of you change warriors that keep accommodating to try and keep the peace are eventually going to be forced to part ways with something you don't want to lose.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

While there are few people out there just wanting to spray paint a statue

Your story about the Lincoln statue needs addressing, because you're making it out to be something it's not.

First, this is being "targeted for removal" by an insignificantly small group of people. There is an online petition with, at least for now, 10,000 signatures. In the world of online petitions, that is nothing. 160,000 people signed a petition to change the name of "fire ants" to "spicy boys."

Second, the statue is kind of weird.
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[Negative Waves]

It's already happening. A statue of Washington was torn down last night in....

Where does the deletion of history all end, honestly? IDGAF about the Lee statue nor Lee Hall. But I'm just asking because this slippery slope doesn't seem to have an end. There's going to be a point in time when all these little appeasements have been made that the mob comes for the Jefferson Memorial or the Washington Monument and people aren't going to sit back and take it anymore.

Portland. They burned an American flag on top of it and spray-painted messages all over the statue and foundation. A Jefferson monument was torn down the other day in front of a high school. I will say this, while the statue toppling and rioting concern me, what concerns me more is when the pendulum swings the other way and the backlash against this movement begins. It could get VERY ugly for this country if the brakes aren't placed on this unrest soon.

 

[40 acres and a mule]

Your story about the Lincoln statue needs addressing, because you're making it out to be something it's not.

First, this is being "targeted for removal" by an insignificantly small group of people. There is an online petition with, at least for now, 10,000 signatures. In the world of online petitions, that is nothing. 160,000 people signed a petition to change the name of "fire ants" to "spicy boys."

Second, the statue is kind of weird.
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I have not seen those numbers. Thanks. The article I read made it sound like a big movement.

Believe it or not, I also agree it's kind of weird.

 

[00Dawg]

What about the other examples mentioned? Did they cross your personal line?

A statue of George Washington was taken down by a mob in Portland, and the City Council Speaker in New York is leading a push to have a statue of Thomas Jefferson removed from their chambers, in case you need more specifics.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Slight highjack: is The Baseball Field still officially called Polk-Dement Stadium At Dudy Noble Field?

I ask because I knew the Dements and Mrs. Dement donated $3 million for the original stadium and still deserves recognition even though it is a new structure.

 

[The Peeper]

"or to be vindictive" Ding Ding Ding, Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! A LOT (not all) of these protesters and rioters don't give a rats arse about their own "feelings" or being offended. This is about trying to piss off people now.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Your story about the Lincoln statue needs addressing, because you're making it out to be something it's not.

First, this is being "targeted for removal" by an insignificantly small group of people. There is an online petition with, at least for now, 10,000 signatures. In the world of online petitions, that is nothing. 160,000 people signed a petition to change the name of "fire ants" to "spicy boys."

Second, the statue is kind of weird.
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its not weird if you can see clearly what it is. The kneeling man’s chains have been broken as you can see in a closeup of the statue and Lincoln is simply inviting him to stand with the Emancipation Proclamation in his left hand.

I guess it can be replaced with Lincoln and the guy doing a fist bump.

 

[Antonio Brown's Foot]

Keep in mind that the most famous classroom building on campus is also named after Lee. They won’t just stop at the bust, they’ll be coming after Lee Hall too.

The Renasant Bank/Bryan Sausage building

 

[Crucifictorious]

The building that needs to be renamed is George Hall. J Z George wrote the racist Jim Crow 1890 constitution and was a terrible terrible guy. That one I'm all for changing to Holmes Hall in honor of Dr. Richard Holmes, first Black student at MSU and former doctor on campus. Since George used to be the infirmary it makes sense.

 

[Dawgtruc]

Keep in mind that the most famous classroom building on campus is also named after Lee. They won’t just stop at the bust, they’ll be coming after Lee Hall too.

And the renaming of Lee Blvd.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

The building that needs to be renamed is George Hall. J Z George wrote the racist Jim Crow 1890 constitution and was a terrible terrible guy. That one I'm all for changing to Holmes Hall in honor of Dr. Richard Holmes, first Black student at MSU and former doctor on campus. Since George used to be the infirmary it makes sense.

Additionally, JZ George High School in N Carrolton is named for him. That needs to change today.

 

[tbaydog]

Another Hornets Nest: Neshoba County Fair and Natchez Pilgrimage

 

[Dawg1979]

****I'm just hoping they find out that Dorman was named for General Dorman. Leader of the racist Confederate troops that coined the phrase "Gator Bait" and then went on to rape and pillage the slave industry.**

we must tear down Dorman and build a new facility!!!!!

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Then they take away every reference to the South in country music songs... and they remove the color gray from the crayola box.... Then they change our state names to Defeated Territory One and Defeated Territory Two, etc.

SWEET JESUS!!! Where will it all end??????? ...and when????

 

[deanbar]

PELOSI HALL.!!

 

[Upyurs]

When they run out of statues and monuments. Then they'll come after the racial make up of the school staff and coaches. A big US company put a company policy Out this week that they want minorities and particularly minority females, in VP roles by this time next year.

Your next University president will be hired based on skin color and gender.

Im confused on the downvotes. What was said that is so off base? It's not as if this isnt already desired and or happening. This push for equality will only make it worse in forcing affirmative action down everyone's throats.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We hired Croom.... that should have given us 50 years.**

 

[Rayburn8]

Okay so I know some like super far left anarchist type people, especially when it comes to statues and even they are fine with the statues of lee on campus.

It’s about why the statue was erected for most people. Were they erected before of Jim Crow laws and a desire to honor the confederacy? Or were they erected to honor something else, Lee’s was because he helped found the university. It is fine and most if not all will see it as fine.

 

[40 acres and a mule]

When they run out of statues and monuments. Then they'll come after the racial make up of the school staff and coaches. A big US company put a company policy Out this week that they want minorities and particularly minority females, in VP roles by this time next year.

Your next University president will be hired based on skin color and gender.

I have a different take on it. Delegitimize the founders, then delegitimize the founders' documents: the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Then they take away every reference to the South in country music songs... and they remove the color gray from the crayola box.... Then they change our state names to Defeated Territory One and Defeated Territory Two, etc.

SWEET JESUS!!! Where will it all end??????? ...and when????

Everybody knows our new State name will be Land Mass! Don’t you watch the weather channel?