Kansas vs. TCU
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I cannot wait to beat these guys.
If the league is do deep, why has 1 team dominated it for 12 straight years? That doesn't happen if what you say is true. They have KU and that's it. No one else has accomplished a dam thing in the last 20+ years, beyond Oklahoma's FF last year.
What makes the league so deep in your eyes?
Similar to the sec with uk, kunis clearly the best program in the conference. Florida jumped up for a couple years, but now it is uk then a big gap to 2 or 3 teams fighting to be ranked, and about 8 teams that are auto wins.
Ku has a large gap to a group of 5 or 6 teams fighting to be ranked, and 2 or 3 teams that should be automatic wins. If your version of a deep conf is multiple threats to win it all, then the acc is the only deep conf. But I think a deep conf is when 70% of the teams will be in the tourney the bottom of the league is competitive.
Fouls were 20-20 including when TCU was intentionally fouling at the end (meaning whistled favored TCU). No need to blame refs anytime a rival wins.
Okay, but florida has multiple final fours, they also have 2 recent titles.
Arkansas has a title from the mid 90's.
But the bottom line is nobody is winning the conference 12 straight years. That's a very telling stat. When one team wins the conference that often you can't sit here and claim that it's deep.
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Who else from Big 12 has won a NCAA title the last 30 years? Serious question I really cannot think of one. I know UF,ARK,UK has won titles in SEC. I remember OU,OKLA ST being in couple FF'S other then Kansas. Heck Compare Final Fours last 30 years UK,UF,LSU,MISS ST,ARK have been there with UK,UF, going multiple times. Yeah BIG 12 is the most overrated bball conference in the history of the universe!
I am usually very pessimistic when we play them, but this year I feel good about it. Our weakness is frontcourt defense, and they only have 2 bigs (Braggs and Lucas). Good rebounders, but neither are skilled offensively. Their guards shoot the 3 well though, so if they are hitting, it could be close.
No wonder why it's so hard to think of a team other than KU. Sheesh, I can't believe the accolades that crap conference gets with almost no success.
The SEC takes an absolute beating from Internet posters to every media member out there and of course the tournament selection committee.
Meanwhile the BIG12 has been hiding and nobody is saying crap as they get 5-7 teams in the tournament that are mostly gone after the first weekend.
TCU had 2 bean poles that appeared to be dominating the glass, UK should do pretty well I think.
This year? KU, Baylor, WVU > UK, UF, S.Carolina. I'm not sure if that's who you consider the top 3 teams in the SEC. But those 3 teams are better than the top 3 teams in the SEC regardless. And the Big 12 is better top to bottom this year too.
Good news is we will see in about a month. KU is going down in Rupp though, so get yourself prepared.
Overall everyone claims Kansas is so great because they always win the big 12. Overrated every year. We had our Florida's and Tenn, LSU and so on. Big 12 has the same thing. But the media makes it a big deal. Fact is both are about the same.
And Bill Self has a hair peice.
You shouldn't use those words "I think " it does not bode well for KU fans
i'm firmly in the camp which believes "The Streak" is somewhat overrated. that conference is straight-up garbage; it's worse than the bags i leave out for my trashmen each Monday night. and Lord knows those bags are pretty bad.
having said that, i do see some level of merit in being consistently above average. that's what it takes to win the big 12 each year and that's what Kansas has been for the last 12 years.
for the sake of the argument, let's look at the Kenpom Rankings of the best big 12 team(s) not named Kansas over the last 12 seasons:
2005: Oklahoma State (ranked #6 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #11)
2006: Texas (ranked #3 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #9)
2007: Texas A&M (ranked #7 and was a #3 seed) (Kansas was ranked #5)
2008: Texas (ranked #9 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #1)
2009: Missouri (ranked #6 and was a #3 seed) Oklahoma (ranked #7 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #13)
2010: Kansas State (ranked #5 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #2)
2011: Texas (ranked #5 and was a #4 seed) (Kansas was ranked #2)
2012: Missouri (ranked #7 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #4)
2013: Oklahoma State (ranked #24 and was a #5 seed) (Kansas was ranked #8)
2014: Iowa State (ranked #20 and was a #3 seed) (Kansas was ranked #7)
2015: Oklahoma (ranked #11 and was a #3 seed) (Kansas was ranked #12)
2016: West Virginia (ranked #8 and was a #3 seed) (Kansas was ranked #4)
What stands out to me is that, in most years, Kansas's best competition is usually a #3 seed. When you throw in all of the generous home-cooking and Allen Fieldhouse, it makes sense why Kansas is able to win at such a high level in the Farmer Tad Conference.
having said that, i do see some level of merit in being consistently above average. that's what it takes to win the big 12 each year and that's what Kansas has been for the last 12 years.
for the sake of the argument, let's look at the Kenpom Rankings of the best big 12 team(s) not named Kansas over the last 12 seasons:
2005: Oklahoma State (ranked #6 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #11)
2006: Texas (ranked #3 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #9)
2007: Texas A&M (ranked #7 and was a #3 seed) (Kansas was ranked #5)
2008: Texas (ranked #9 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #1)
2009: Missouri (ranked #6 and was a #3 seed) Oklahoma (ranked #7 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #13)
2010: Kansas State (ranked #5 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #2)
2011: Texas (ranked #5 and was a #4 seed) (Kansas was ranked #2)
2012: Missouri (ranked #7 and was a #2 seed) (Kansas was ranked #4)
2013: Oklahoma State (ranked #24 and was a #5 seed) (Kansas was ranked #8)
2014: Iowa State (ranked #20 and was a #3 seed) (Kansas was ranked #7)
2015: Oklahoma (ranked #11 and was a #3 seed) (Kansas was ranked #12)
2016: West Virginia (ranked #8 and was a #3 seed) (Kansas was ranked #4)
What stands out to me is that, in most years, Kansas's best competition is usually a #3 seed. When you throw in all of the generous home-cooking and Allen Fieldhouse, it makes sense why Kansas is able to win at such a high level in the Farmer Tad Conference.
The BIG 12 is considered "deep" because the teams don't lose bad nonconference games and pull out a good win here and there. Then you have a second or third team be really good like Baylor and West Virginia this year.
In the end there is only one true contender each year, which is KU. SEC this is all I'm asking of you.
In the end there is only one true contender each year, which is KU. SEC this is all I'm asking of you.
TCU & KU are even teams. Obviously, the refs decided this game just like they do every year in the big 12. KU is NOT a title contender this year or really any year. They r soft & count so heavily on getting the whistle that it doesn't matter what happens in the Rigged 12 Conference season because we know the annual tournament flameout will happen in March.
Good point, but they do have a couple of bad losses:
Texas lost to Texas Arlington and Kent State, Olahoma lost to Northern Iowa (they suck this yr) and Auburn, Tx Tech also lost to Auburn and TCU lost to SMU, but really nothing terrible.
I like how Auburn has taken a couple of them out, but we will see here in a bit when the two conferences go head to head.
I still think the perception of the B12 is not what it should be, it is not a good conference, it's got KU and a bunch of also rans.
The officiating bias in the Big 12 is what makes it such a joke when talking heads try to make their conference championship streak such an accomplishment.
TCU is Kenpom #34. That's a solid tournament team and a good win on the road. Major upgrade in coaching can do that for a team. The Big 12 has 3 Kenpom top 10 teams (KU WVU and Baylor), Texas Tech and Iowa State are Kenpom top 30 teams, and KSU, OSU and TCU are Kenpom top 40. To say that the Big 12 is a weak conference is nonsensical.
Couldn't care less what Kenpommy says. TCU sucks. I watched KSU last night & they r not even close to top 40. KU barely beat a Duke team at half strength & no one else. The Great Toupee fattens up on cupcakes in the noncon and the Refs take care of the conference season.
What have they accomplished in the tournament with their fortunate seeding the last 50 years? They get good seeds in the tournament and do what? Fail.
True. The Big12 has to have another team other than Kansas start performing in the NCAA tournament, but this is a new year and a new crop of teams and talents. Past performance in the NCAA has zero impact on how any of these current teams will perform in the tourney. Kentucky didn't do well in the NCAA last year. By your logic, this year's Kentucky team will not do well in the NCAA tournament. By realistic logic, you can see that is false, because this Kentucky team is not the same as last year's team and has a solid title shot. In the same way, the Big 12 teams this year are not the same as the Big 12 teams last year.