Kaminsky - Flop Last Year

[RegentBadger]

This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

 

[Ben101er]

I can't wait for the big pansy to get into the league and see how that flop works for him.

 

[canebreak]

Wow, that is a straight up blocking foul, or at best no call. He just ran right up into him and leaned forward. Terrible. SHould be automatic technical. What a wus.

 

[barryn2000]

Originally posted by ymmot31:

Kaminsky was moving forward with his feet braced. If something or someone had hit him hard enough to send him backward like that, he would have been hurt. According to sports science it would take about a thousand pounds of force to create that result.

That makes him either:
A) a cheater
B) a *****

I guess there could also be a:
C) both A & B

 

[Ben101er]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

So basically, you're saying that cheating is ok for you? Heady play?

The only reason they do it, is because it gives them two or three extra possessions a game, because they don't think they can win otherwise. Enjoy it this last game, since it will be the last time for Wisconsin to ever see a final four.

 

[larry the cable guy]

Well at least you admit your team is inferior and has to resort to cheap tactics to be competitive with other teams. Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step to solving that problem. I guess you need to go out and recruit athletes instead of actors.




Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

 

[Lob2Davis]

Refs don't like to be embarrassed(though it never seems to bother Doug Shows) so I'm hoping they all saw this and won't be putting up with that crap on Saturday. Not real optimistic about it though.

I think obvious flops like that one and Chris Jones(the Harrisons have been known to do it too) need to be techs but the problem is there's a line between a flat out flop and somebody taking a real charge and just selling it because if you take a charge and just stand there you're never going to get the call. I don't like flops but I don't want to see offensive players get carte blanche to just run over defenders either. And I don't trust lousy refs to be able to make good judgment calls.

 

[canebreak]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

That is a pretty presumptuous statement to say we never watch a basketball game that does not involve Kentucky. A bit pompous if you ask me. Pretty sure we understand basketball.

With that said, I get that Kaminsky needs to gain any advantage where he can. But acting like you were fouled kinda steps over the line.

But I can tell you why UK fans really dislike your team, it is because you are impostors. Masquerading as the team that does things the "right way", whilst Kentucky is evil because they have better players that go make money. Meanwhile, you ride high with the phony academic story, and the all white, we are right, image.

You have a very good team, with very good players, and could easily win it all. But your coach and your fan base are delusional in thinking you have some sort of righteous high ground when compared to our coaches and players.

Our kids work hard and deserve just as much credit as your kids. Please spread that message back to your home boys.

Good luck.

 

[Blue Decade]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

Craftiness. Is that what you call it? Aren't you putting lipstick on the pig?

 

[mbc82584]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

Flopping is **** basketball, plain and simple. I've watched about 10 Wisconsin basketball games this year, and Kaminsky has been guilty of these type of flops in almost every single one.

Even in last years final four, he had two of the most egregious flops I've ever seen (one against Marcus Lee who was just running up the court, and the other against Dakari Johnson after Dakari's momentum took him into Frank). In both cases last year, he was barely touched and his arms flailed upward and he went flying as though someone shot him with a S&W .500.

Same as the attached gif against Arizona and Tarczewski. I can't believe the dude survived such malicious contact

It's ok though, Frank can continue with the BS play rather than trying to hone actual defensive basketball skill. He just better do it fast, he's down to the 11th hour in his CBB career and we all know that dude isn't gonna last long in the NBA.



This post was edited on 4/1 10:14 AM by mbc82584

 

[bluedog79]

best thing to do is get DEEP position down low, turn and score. DO NOT back your guy down to the basket. Get position under the basket, turn and score. This makes the defender jump to stop your scoring move instead of staying on his feet and flopping.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

Translation:

Craftiness - flopping, trying to trick officials.

Arizona flopped once too. And the officials missed a call. So flopping should be ok for us.

UK players will flop in the NBA, so our players should be able to do it now.

Frank only flops when he's physically mismatched. So it's ok.

Incredible logic.... *sarcasm*

 

[psuweather]

Wow - Tank K-sky is a multi-sport star! Never figured him for a soccer player, but here's proof:

 

[FiveStarCat]

RegentBadger - I follow a lot of national college basketball writers, media types, etc on Twitter and your "haters gonna hate" comment on his attempt to draw that foul couldn't be more off. Everyone saw that for what it was: a non-basketball play that made Kaminsky look ridiculous. Couple that in with his clear flop earlier and it wasn't a good look for him. I do agree with you that players should do whatever the rules allow them to do to gain a competitive advantage. I don't agree that it is just "haters" trying to tear down a great player. And I think we can all agree (or at least I hope) that the NCAA needs to adopt some sort of policy on flopping. Technical fouls on the obvious ones would be a good start.

 

[Panthur]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul &the rest of it (space)

Wow that was the dumbest thing I've read in MONTHS on any subject. It's like the dude went full on retard. I hope he got it all out of his system.

 

[OldBlueNuts]

 

[musrat59]

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

Translation:

Craftiness - flopping, trying to trick officials.

Arizona flopped once too. And the officials missed a call. So flopping should be ok for us.

UK players will flop in the NBA, so our players should be able to do it now.

Frank only flops when he's physically mismatched. So it's ok.

Incredible logic.... *sarcasm*

You being a lawyer, I thought you were a lot smarter than that.

 

[barryn2000]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
This thread is hilarious. Have none of you ever watched a basketball game that didn't involve Kentucky? Not everyone has athletes that can jump 4 feet in the air, some of us need to play D through positioning and craftiness. Frank will continue to try to get every advantage for his team that he can, thats what us mortal teams have to do, and that includes getting position and then selling contact to the refs when offensive players try to power right through him. Don't want to get a charge, don't body up the defender, simple as that.

Also love the reference to his flop against Zona. If you actually watched that game you would know that about two possessions before that GIF, Zeus did the same thing to him and Zona in general was hacking up a storm and trying to get as physical as the refs would let them. That 'flop' went a long way to turning that around and changing the flow of the game. It was a great heady play, sometimes the refs reward you, sometimes they don't. Its not as if flopping is a big part of Frank's game, he only really uses it when he is physically mismatched or his mark is stupid and sets himself up for it through wild play.

As for the play where he tried to draw a foul by getting Zeus off his feet and then jumping through him, well, haters gone to hate. That is a move that 100% of every NBA player has done, your entire team has down it or will do it within the next year (or whenever they make it up there), only someone looking to be offended could find fault in that play. This is doubly true when you actually watch the game and notice the fact that at no point did Frank actually make contact with him, thus there is no basis for anyone calling for a flop or offensive foul, but that Zeus clearly rakes him across the arm, sending the ball flying out of his grip. You will probably never see a clearer foul go uncalled in this tourney, it was a ridiculous no call on an obvious hack. But by all means hate away, can't have reality getting in the way of some good, old fashion vitriol.

RegentBadger, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic
things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent
response were you even close to anything that could be considered a
rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[RegentBadger]

Of course UK fans know basketball, but there are a ton of people in this thread talking like they don't. Trying to draw offensive fouls is not even remotely close to cheating. Is a charge part of the rulebook? Are refs expected to use their discretion and skill to discern the rules of the game and call fouls? Not every team has shot blocking monsters down low, many teams have to play defense on the floor. Part of that is establishing position and not letting the offensive guy go through you. Sometimes that requires selling the contact to try to draw a call. If the ref thinks it is a flop he doesn't have to call it. To suggest that that is in any way cheating is ridiculous. Of course I'm happy with it and call it crafty. If we had WCS down low I'd feel differently, but the fact is we have Frank Kaminsky and if we want to win we have to play the game differently. To paraphrase Robb Stark, 'if we do it your way, you win. We aren't going to do it your way.' That isn't cheating in any way shape or form, its not even close to cheating.

Also love your presumptuous take that badger fans have somehow set ourselves up as the good guys to Kentucky's baddies while calling me presumptuous. Don't get us confused with those ESPN clowns. We just play our game, keep our heads down and let other people do and say what they will. Having pride in the way that we do things does not equal us looking down on people who do it differently. Do you honestly think there is one Wisconsin fan in the world who wouldn't trade our cheesy image for a gym full of title banners and 5 McDonalds All Americans every year? Every program outside of UCLA would trade places with you in a second. We just know who we are and who we aren't and given who we are, we appreciate all the success Bo has brought us while also running a completely clean program that is universally respected for its conduct off the court. Who wouldn't be proud of that? We never even think about Kentucky unless we are playing you, we recognize that you operate in a completely different sphere of college basketball than we do and we are fine with it. We like the way we compete with teams year in and year out who have a decided talent disadvantage. Almost all of our players are Upper Midwest kids, who tend to White, there is no attempt to get a White team and some how think that that makes us "right". Bo comes from one of the hardest areas of Philly and was the only White guy on his team in high school. Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota are just really White states.

Who from Wisconsin is suggesting that UK works any less or is somehow less deserving? I certainly haven't heard that argument except from the national bozos. I think there is something to the fact that people like underdogs and root against the guys that have every advantage. And in this case that contrast is very clear considering the fact that you guys have a team full of McDonalds AA's and NBA first round picks while our star is a big goofy kid who no one had ever heard of until two years ago. That is not to suggest that WCS or KAT haven't worked hard to get where they are. They just did their work off the stage in high school and have been superstars since the day they walked onto campus for their official visits. Frank has grown up before our eyes, people in B1G country still remember the super skinny tall kid who looked like a joke but had a pretty sweet stroke at the end of the badgers bench four years ago. To see that guy go from 4 awkward minutes a game to the likely Player of the Year is an easy story to sell. Much of UK's praise is implied, obviously you don't go undefeated without putting in the work. I don't think that people liking this UW team and their story is any kind of slight on UK.

 

[barryn2000]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
Of course UK fans know basketball, but there are a ton of people in this thread talking like they don't. Trying to draw offensive fouls is not even remotely close to cheating. Is a charge part of the rulebook? Are refs expected to use their discretion and skill to discern the rules of the game and call fouls? Not every team has shot blocking monsters down low, many teams have to play defense on the floor. Part of that is establishing position and not letting the offensive guy go through you. Sometimes that requires selling the contact to try to draw a call. If the ref thinks it is a flop he doesn't have to call it. To suggest that that is in any way cheating is ridiculous. Of course I'm happy with it and call it crafty. If we had WCS down low I'd feel differently, but the fact is we have Frank Kaminsky and if we want to win we have to play the game differently. To paraphrase Robb Stark, 'if we do it your way, you win. We aren't going to do it your way.' That isn't cheating in any way shape or form, its not even close to cheating.

Is this a charge? Really? Would you be okay if you lost a game over someone doing this?

Kaminsky actually initiated the contact...that's not basketball to me. Is that what you think basketball is?

 

[OldBlueNuts]

^^^^^^^ Badger-Ball

 

[maverick1_rivals376538]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
I'm happy with it and call it crafty...Having pride in the way that we do things

Your words would carry more weight if they weren't being used trying to defend ******** like this:

Seriously, are you proud of this specific play? Remember, it's a yes or no question.


screw it, i'm just gonna post a pic

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This post was edited on 4/1 12:49 PM by maverick1

 

[RegentBadger]

Would you prefer to lose to an uncontested layup? How about a 27 foot jumper? Maybe you like to lose on an and one with the poster? Of course I wouldn't be happy losing a game like that, I wouldn't be happy losing a game in any way. At that point in the game Zona was feeling it and had the lead. Zeus had just dunked in Kaminsky's face and Zona's bigs were winning the matchup. Frank flopped to draw the foul because Zeus had been barreling through him all game to that point and you know what? Zeus barely did anything the rest of the game and Frank took over as Zona had to play conscious of their foul trouble and how quickly Frank can draw them. We won, they lost. So yeah. Thats basketball to me. You might not like it but drawing calls from the refs has been a part of the game since they cut the bottom off the peach basket. Not liking it is one thing, calling it cheating is another.

 

[RegentBadger]

Your words would carry more weight if they weren't being used trying to defend ******** like this:

Seriously, are you proud of this specific play? Remember, it's a yes or no question.


Yes. We won and Frank changed the flow of the game with that play. I'll say it again. If Wisconsin had a bunch of high flying shot blockers and played that way I would not be happy with it. But we don't have high flyers. We have guys like Frank Kaminsky who win be getting little edges over guys who are more athletic than they are, so we play for the advantages. So we play a style that gives us the best chance to win. That is the beauty of competition, you adapt to the situation and do whatever you can to win. Bo Ryan wins more than any coach in the history of the B1G, and yet I would guess no one on this board could name five guys he has had that played in the pros.

This post was edited on 4/1 12:48 PM by RegentBadger

 

[canebreak]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
Your words would carry more weight if they weren't being used trying to defend ******** like this:

Seriously, are you proud of this specific play? Remember, it's a yes or no question.


Yes. We won and Frank changed the flow of the game with that play. I'll say it again. If Wisconsin had a bunch of high flying shot blockers and played that way I would not be happy with it. But we don't have high flyers. We have guys like Frank Kaminsky who win be getting little edges over guys who are more athletic than they are, so we play for the advantages. So we play a style that gives us the best chance to win. That is the beauty of competition, you adapt to the situation and do whatever you can to win. Bo Ryan wins more than any coach in the history of the B1G, and yet I would guess no one on this board could name five guys he has had that played in the pros.

This post was edited on 4/1 12:48 PM by RegentBadger

I guess I struggle with that logic. I am not as good so I'll do something that is in authentic, if not down right shady. We have all been their, I get that. Me included. But to be proud of it and aspire to it...that is a bit different.

I just hope we have equal and solid officiating. Maybe you all can still win without his drama. Wouldn't that maybe feel better.

 

[barryn2000]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
Would you prefer to lose to an uncontested layup? How about a 27 foot jumper? Maybe you like to lose on an and one with the poster? Of course I wouldn't be happy losing a game like that, I wouldn't be happy losing a game in any way. At that point in the game Zona was feeling it and had the lead. Zeus had just dunked in Kaminsky's face and Zona's bigs were winning the matchup. Frank flopped to draw the foul because Zeus had been barreling through him all game to that point and you know what? Zeus barely did anything the rest of the game and Frank took over as Zona had to play conscious of their foul trouble and how quickly Frank can draw them. We won, they lost. So yeah. Thats basketball to me. You might not like it but drawing calls from the refs has been a part of the game since they cut the bottom off the peach basket. Not liking it is one thing, calling it cheating is another.

It is cheating. It's just that it's one of rules that are subjective. If you tried to take a timeout when you had none...you'd get whistled. Hack a shooter...get whistled. Flopping is breaking the spirit of the only rule you can "fake".

The only reason people get away with it is it's hard to say what can actually knock a man down and what knocks me down might not you...it's inside that "benefit of the doubt" that people game the system. Flopping is abusing honest players.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/01/27/flopping-block-charge-ncaa-rules

http://www.wsj.com/articles/marchs-true-madness-flopping-1426603260

http://kingkulture.com/sports/flopping-is-cheating-period

 

[UKwizard]

Frank is not as talented so lets cheat to win.....

Flopping as a form of a legit defense is chickenshit wussy ball.

 

[maverick1_rivals376538]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
Your words would carry more weight if they weren't being used trying to defend ******** like this:

Seriously, are you proud of this specific play? Remember, it's a yes or no question.


Yes. blah blah blahblah blah blah blahblahblah blah...everything after "yes" is noise

There you have it folks, RecentBadger is actually proud of this play. He's not saying "the ends justify the means" or "whatever it takes to win because we're not a traditional powerhouse," no, not at all. He watches this clip and actually feels pride in his program because of this play, not in spite of it -- and there's a BIG difference in the two.

Personally, I'm embarrassed whenever a UK player even remotely exaggerates a charge -- and I can't ever remember anyone ever flopping anywhere close to this extent. Now I may still be glad we won the game, but at least I'll call ******** ******** and be ashamed, not proud, when/if our players do it.

To paraphrase RecentBadger, "tolerating it is one thing, saying you're proud of it is another."

 

[barryn2000]

Originally posted by maverick1:

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
Your words would carry more weight if they weren't being used trying to defend ******** like this:

Seriously, are you proud of this specific play? Remember, it's a yes or no question.


Yes. blah blah blahblah blah blah blahblahblah blah...everything after "yes" is noise

There you have it folks, RecentBadger is actually proud of this play. He's not saying "the ends justify the means" or "whatever it takes to win because we're not a traditional powerhouse," no, not at all. He watches this clip and actually feels pride in his program because of this play, not in spite of it -- and there's a BIG difference in the two.

Personally, I'm embarrassed whenever a UK player even remotely exaggerates a charge -- and I can't ever remember anyone ever flopping anywhere close to this extent. Now I may still be glad we won the game, but at least I'll call ******** ******** and be ashamed, not proud, when/if our players do it.

To paraphrase RecentBadger, "tolerating it is one thing, saying you're proud of it is another."

I have to agree that it's shocking to see a fan "proud" of that sort of play. Even the dirty birds felt that flopping was below them (CJ flop).

The NCAA will eventually have to address this

 

[RegentBadger]

There you have it folks, RecentBadger is actually proud[/B] of this play. He's not saying "the[/I] ends justify the means[/I]" or "whatever it takes to win because we're not a traditional powerhouse[/I]," no, not at all. He watches this clip and actually feels pride[/B] in his program because[/B] of this play, not in spite[/B] of it -- and there's a BIG difference in the two.

Personally, I'm embarrassed whenever a UK player even remotely exaggerates a charge -- and I can't ever remember anyone ever flopping anywhere close to this extent. Now I may still be glad we won the game, but at least I'll call ******** ******** and be ashamed[/B], not proud, when/if our players do it.

To paraphrase RecentBadger, "tolerating it is one thing, saying you're proud of it is another."

You are taking my meaning completely out of context and putting it into a vacuum. If I had a roster with players like UK I would not be proud of that play, of course I wish that we could play a high flying game with guys blocking shots into the 10 row left and right. But I recognize that that is not the type of game Wisconsin needs to play to win big games. We need to get our advantages by understanding the game a little better than our opponents do, we need to anticipate plays and understand the flow of the game and how we can turn it to our advantage. Part of that in the game of basketball is adapting to the refs and how they call a game. If we can do anything to weigh that in our favor and give ourselves a better chance to win the game then great, lets do it.

That charge changed the entire flow of the game. That is why I am proud of it. If it was just Frank and Zeus playing 1-on-1 in a playground somewhere I would be right there with you calling him Frank the flopper and giving him crap. But that play didn't happen on a playground or in your rec league, it happened in an Elite Eight game against one of the top teams in the country who had the lead and had been dictating tempo down low. Frank understood all this, He had just hit a big shot on the other end and the crowd was starting to pick up in UW's favor. He knew that if Zeus tried to back him down again, as he had been doing all game, the ref was likely going to call it for Frank. We have all seen the sequence a million times, a team goes on a little run after being down and the refs get caught up in the swing and make a bad call in favor of the surging team. Frank saw all of that coming and flopped like a fish and we won the game because suddenly the Zona bigs were a little tentative on O.

Of that I am proud. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on whether flopping to draw a charge is cheating. I find it preposterous that you could classify a call that requires a neutral third party to make it the same as paying a ref or using an ineligible player.

This post was edited on 4/1 1:30 PM by RegentBadger

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Originally posted by CELTICAT:
Kaminsky acted like a B, but Dakari earned it too.

False, that play was 100% Frank the Flop being a B. Dakari did squat. That was South America soccer bad flopping. Deserves a tech for deceiving the refs.

 

[OldBlueNuts]

Heads Up Frank..the REAL "Tank" is coming through!!!!!!!!!

 

[buckethead1978]

Frank
Frank

Frank

Frank
Zeus

Frank
Frank.




You are horrible.

I bet you defend Mark Chmura too.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
Your words would carry more weight if they weren't being used trying to defend ******** like this:

Seriously, are you proud of this specific play? Remember, it's a yes or no question.


Yes. We won and Frank changed the flow of the game with that play.

Got it. so you support CHEATING to win. That's what we thought. Flopping is in fact, attempting to deceive the officials, which is illegal and is CHEATING.

So Wisconsin fans are fine with cheating. Just like I'm sure you are fine with your ZERO PERCENT graduation rate for black players. Pathetic.

 

[maverick1_rivals376538]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:


You are taking my meaning completely out of context and putting it into a vacuum.

What exactly did you think I meant by "Seriously, are you proud of this specific play." I didn't ask why you were proud, because the "why" doesn't matter. You've spent the entire thread defending this particular play, celebrating it, praising it, admitting you're proud of it -- how am I taking anything out of context?

I narrowed my question because I didn't want you to hide your answer in some ******** Avis-Rent-A-Car-We-Try-Harder defense like "well we have to do this cause we don't have All-Americans," or "yeah, but this play completely changed the flow of the game." I wanted to know what you felt about this one specific play and I gave you a chance to say something like "yeah, it was a flop but I'm not proud of it even though it helped us win." You, however, chose -- and are still choosing -- to brag about it.

Every Cat fan in this thread has rightfully condemned this particular play while you have chosen to justify it. Remember, justifying it is one thing, being proud of it is another.

Originally posted by RegentBadger:

I find it preposterous that you could classify a call that requires a neutral third party to make it the same as paying a ref or using an ineligible player.

You obviously know how to post someone else's quotes, so please post where I have ever said that flopping is the same as paying a ref or using an ineligible player. I'll be waiting for either that, or an apology for making a false allegation.

 

[larry the cable guy]

If there is nothing wrong with flopping why has the NBA resorted to fining guys for doing it?

 

[TransyCat09]

Hope KAT gets in the refs' ear before the game. Maybe even fake initiating contact to get Kaminsky to react from nothing after telling the refs to watch for it. If we can get him to flop two times with no call then we should be good for the rest of the game. It will set a good tone

 

[barryn2000]

Originally posted by RegentBadger:
Frank saw all of that coming and flopped like a fish and we won the game because suddenly the Zona bigs were a little tentative on O.

Of that I am proud.

That says it all...pruned for clarity.

Your guy flopped like a fish, you won the game because of it and you are proud.

I'd be embarrassed to think that, let alone admit it.

 

[king of cali]

It doesn't matter if your team has high flyers or not. That is a ***** *** excuse. The fact of the matger is Kaminsky is a flopper, plain amd simple. Instead of playing strong positional defense, he resorts to flailing backwards whenever he feels contact. It is downright embarrassing for a player who is known as "the tank" to play soft like that. Vlade Divac was proud of the flop last Saturday.

 

[Spanish Radio]

The badger fan likes winning more than the game.