Watching last year's FF game. Does anyone remember the technical call against DJ with 5 min left in the first half? That was a major punk move by Kaminsky. He held onto DJ's arm to make it look like he was pushed, flopped to the ground, and the refs bought it. Wouldn't be surprised if he tries to pull that crap again this year.
Kaminsky - Flop Last Year
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Yep, we need to be ready for it...especially Karl. Dude was flopping and jumping into defenders all over the place against Arizona...refs bit on a couple of them.
Flopping with little to no contact and the kung fu scissors kick on 3 point shots...don't know which of the two is worse.
Both should be T fouls.
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Both should be T fouls.
This post was edited on 3/30 10:27 AM by CatPhight
Oh we can fully expect it - I didn't watch the entire AZ game this weekend, but of the 15-20 minutes (real time, not clock time) I did watch, he flopped or almost flopped at least 4 times (once was a charge against AZ).
And if we get past their theatricals and advance to see Duke, it only get worse. Tyus Jones has to be the most dramatic dribbler I've ever seen. Some here even started a thread about it yesterday - he whips that head back so much trying to get the refs to think he's been popped in the face/head by the defender that I don't know how he manages to dribble effectively.
Towns and Dakari will both be hit with charges against Kaminsky due to either flops or semi-flops (the kind where there's basic contact but they fall anyway), most likely within the first 10 minutes of the first half.
Kaminsky is soft. I hope Willie or Lyles dunk on him and he shrivels into a fetus.
All I can remember is Lee dunking all over frank the punk and them him coming down and running into Lee and acting like he was shot in the chest while Lee stood there confused.
All I can remember is Lee dunking all over frank the punk and them him coming down and running into Lee and acting like he was shot in the chest while Lee stood there confused.
I think you are talking about Lee. Lee took an alley oop and jumped about 5 feet higher than him throwing it down over his back. Kaminsky proceeds to run down the court right into Lee (wwho I think we can all agree is about 210 pounds soaking wet) and acted like he was run over by a MAC. I'm trying to find video.
Grant of ND's three fake against Dakari and then jumping in to him is one of these I consider a "theatrical" attempt to draw a foul. Ulis has tried this a couple of times this year. I hate it and the refs should make the rule that if it appears the offensive player is trying to get a player in the air and then jump into him, it should be either a no call or an offensive foul.
Another one I hate is the flop/flail on the clean block that gets called a foul. Because we have so many successful shot blockers, we see this more than most, but I think Wisconsin and Duke will go overboard and get lucky on 25% of them.
Yep. First time KAT gets the ball, itll be a flop. Biggest flopper in all of college basketball. And that's saying something.
The more I'm watching last year's game, the less I like Kaminsky. He definitely should have been a Dukie.
Floppinsky wearing white leotards...how appropriate...probably sporting a little red panty shield as well.
The Sporting News even has a little article dedicated to his flopping this weekend. He does one of those jump into the shooter attempts that I absolutely hate. And actually he did get arm contact that slightly appears to have loosened the ball, but thankfully the refs didn't fall for the fact that it was HE that jumped into the player, not the player fouling him. Besides, if you have no contact or risk of contact, but you go from a normal shooting form to that flailing desperation of a form, it's clear you are trying to act and refs should just ignore it.
Flop Kaminsky
Flop Kaminsky
Here is the video of Lee dunking on Kaminsky but the flop is off screen. The announcers talk about it, but I can't find a video of what he actually did (I remember him vividly almost falling over after running into a 210 pound forward).
I had forgot about his flop against dakari. What a punk.
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I had forgot about his flop against dakari. What a punk.
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Side note, K-sky gives a pump fake everytime from 3 point range before he drives. We don't need to bite on that, because he has no lift on his shot anyway.
the Arizona guy just backs in like taught. He didn't slam into flopper his body was standing straight up when they touch bodies. If he was barreling in when flopper fell down he would have stumbled or lost his balance. Total garbage and plays like this can equal the playing field against better players. Fouls are fouls but calling fouls on players because they are physically better than you is not right
I don't know how they can call that an offensive foul with a clear conscience. He leans forward into Tarczewski and then flops back. You know they have watch film and know KAT is prone to being called for offensive fouls and will be flopping like a fish out of water.Originally posted by barryn2000:
Flop against Zona
To add to what someone else said, I totally agree on Tyus Jones. He is as bad as Kemba Walker and Shabazz Napier to snap his head back and flail his arms like he has been given a clothesline from the top rope.
That GIF should be sent to every FF ref and should be on ESPN, CBS, etc. NCAAT home pages. It's blatant cheating and just extreme unsportsmanship. He pulls that crap all the time, yet he is held up as an example of "the right kind of college BB player" and is touted as POY.Originally posted by barryn2000:
Flop against Zona
Instead of some of these "journalists" crying about how Cal and UK are ruining college basketball, they should do a little investigating into this stuff. Talk about cheating the game. Goodness.
The best part of that link is this video of Kaminsky crying to Dekker, and Dekker just shaking his head saying "Nah"
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/840E1CEED51193746914701672448_3cf6b157282.2.1.1782300054496954865.mp4?versionId=VdkQZYe2uUBHus0ky_p22F5D6VeNO9Kj
Originally posted by barryn2000:
Flop against Zona
I was watching the game when this happened and it just totally pissed me off. Even pisses me off watching the GIF of it. It will never happen, but this ish needs to have consequences. Give them a technical, suspend them for the first half of the next game. SOMETHING!
If the refs call that against the Defense every time, it would stop it. He made contact so yeah it is a foul.
I can't find a gif of it, but the charge called against Randle last year vs uCONn was even more egregious.Originally posted by barryn2000:
Flop against Zona
I simply don't understand why refs continue encourage this kind of play. Anyone with 1/10th a brain knows that a 6'10" 250 lb man in defensive/athletic position, and trying to hold his ground, wouldn't fly violently back like that even if Jerome Bettis hit him head on -- but it's especially impossible with incidental contact like this. It simply defies physics. So why do refs make this call? I dunno. I mean refs ARE generally morons, but nobody is that stupid.
Lets be honest, the players do this because their coaches instruct them to. Again, the players are not being involuntarily knocked over -- they are falling because they want to because their coaches tell them to, or at the very least don't discourage them from doing so. Period. So, if the powers that be want to eliminate this ******** the answer is simple: Instruct the refs to not call anything -- just don't blow the whistle, it's neither a charge nor a block. Make this the major point of emphasis with the rules/officiating committee. If the refs can't be trusted to not fall for this on their own then their bosses should make them not fall for it.
Human beings are sometimes simple in that behavior which is rewarded continues and behavior which is punished soon stops. Once teams get dunked on a few times because their players are wallowing around on their backs like turned-over turtles instead of, oh I don't know, actually trying to play defense, then flopping will be eliminated.
Great post. I can't focus too well on the K-flop discussion because I keep staring at 38 and 0. Can't decide which one I like better. I guess I like them both the same.Originally posted by maverick1:
I can't find a gif of it, but the charge called against Randle last year vs uCONn was even more egregious.Originally posted by barryn2000:
Flop against Zona
I simply don't understand why refs continue encourage this kind of play. Anyone with 1/10th a brain knows that a 6'10" 250 lb man in defensive/athletic position, and trying to hold his ground, wouldn't fly violently back like that even if Jerome Bettis hit him head on -- but it's especially impossible with incidental contact like this. It simply defies physics. So why do refs make this call? I dunno. I mean refs ARE generally morons, but nobody is that stupid.
Lets be honest, the players do this because their coaches instruct them to. Again, the players are not being involuntarily knocked over -- they are falling because they want to because their coaches tell them to, or at the very least don't discourage them from doing so. Period. So, if the powers that be want to eliminate this ******** the answer is simple: Instruct the refs to not call anything -- just don't blow the whistle, it's neither a charge nor a block. Make this the major point of emphasis with the rules/officiating committee. If the refs can't be trusted to not fall for this on their own then their bosses should make them not fall for it.
Human beings are sometimes simple in that behavior which is rewarded continues and behavior which is punished soon stops. Once teams get dunked on a few times because their players are wallowing around on their backs like turned-over turtles instead of, oh I don't know, actually trying to play defense, then flopping will be eliminated.
You know, I'd never thought about it until you mentioned it, but you make a very good point.
At first I couldn't decide either. However, after clicking on the sig to make the pic bigger, I soon realized I like the "0" better -- can't quite put a finger to it (sadly), but it just "feels" (I wish) right, and by "right" I don't mean like bags of sand. (NC-17, AC, L)
Kaminsky was moving forward with his feet braced. If something or someone had hit him hard enough to send him backward like that, he would have been hurt. According to sports science it would take about a thousand pounds of force to create that result.
The powers that be WANT flopping in the college game. They WANT players to take 3 steps after they've picked up their dribble. It appears they think it makes for a better game, plus it makes it easier to manipulate point spreads and narratives. No way these refs don't see what's happening, they must be instructed as a group in order to make the same mistakes consistently as a group.
The powers that be WANT flopping in the college game. They WANT players to take 3 steps after they've picked up their dribble. It appears they think it makes for a better game, plus it makes it easier to manipulate point spreads and narratives. No way these refs don't see what's happening, they must be instructed as a group in order to make the same mistakes consistently as a group.
This.Originally posted by Seth C:
That's just ridiculous. He leans in to create the contact and then sends himself flying.Originally posted by barryn2000:
Flop against Zona
