Honest question here but why do so many people get mad any time a fan puts the blame on coaches for shortcomings? They're part of the team, too. They're not perfect. Coach K is the GOAT and has more than 1,000 wins, so that means he's perfect and him or his coaching staff are never to blame? It don't matter how long you've been doing your job or how good you are at it, you're still capable of making mistakes and being wrong.
K presser
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This loss along with the others wasn't on one person. Five very talented guys that don't play with fire and energy is the problem.
We lost the BC game because we didn’t guard the 3 point line, we lost the NC St game because we couldn’t keep a chair in front of us, and we lost the UVA game because of free throws.
There are 100 reasons we lost today, that’s alarming.
There are 100 reasons we lost today, that’s alarming.
And a coach that has to figure out how to get his star freshmen to play Duke team ball. Not saying they don't care, but he coddles a few of them sometimes. He's taken Duval out from time to time because it's painfully obvious he is hurting the team. I think Bagley and Trent should get taken out a little more than they do. The only reason Bagley came out today was foul trouble.
Sometimes a little bench time may motivate a guy to give it all he's got, plus when he sees his replacement hustling.
Now we see how and what we're made of. A win Thursday will ease a little bit of the pain from today.
In my opinion, we don't get annoyed with criticisms of the coaching, but how it is often done. If someone says "I think K got this wrong and I hope he adjusts", I doubt anyone would have a problem. If someone says "this went wrong because K is stubborn and stupid and we'll never win anything ever again", then many of us will get annoyed.
Presentation can be key.
Great points. Too many minutes for the guards. You have to play effectively on both ends of the floor and sometimes they look tired.
I completely agree K is not perfect. But I will leave the coaching to him. He, along with the assistants, know what they’re doing more than I do. He’s forgotten more about the tactics and strategies of basketball than I will ever know. I just thought today was simply a lack of effort, and once SJU had confidence they didn’t miss. The players need to be more consistent throughout the 40 minutes. IMHO.
The disappointment with the presser is that Coach K recognises that this isnt Duke basketball. I would argue it hasnt been for a while. New team every year, inconsistent on both ends, leadership that is sporadic at best - and it doesnt get better next year....we wont have any senior leadership next year, not even a junior who has contributed significantly. Next year is going to be basically a 5th year senior HS team. Is that going to make us better?
uh no we will get to hear how young that team is all year too. When you look back at all the teams that relied on young talent to win Nattys, it’s not a good formula. 2 championships is all I can think of and that’s going all the way back to the fab five. Kentucky with one and Duke with one. Sorry but Freshmen cannot get it done year in and year out. That gives the teams with mediocre talent that have 21 and 22 year old players a chance to make runs in the tournament. Last year it was UNC and South Carolina with Jrs and Seniors. Duke will have 0 leadership next year but it’s so exciting when we win a recruiting battle for a OAD
I think the sun is going to rise again in the morning. I may not be able to see it here in tar heel county, North Carolina because we are supposed to have a wintry mix here but I know it's coming up and for some reason it doesn't then it will be a 1st. Duke basketball will rise and as of this posting the heels are kicking Pitt's rear end down in chapel hill and before the nights over if you're not banned over at thr you will see " HEELS ARE BACK." This coming Monday I will score keep men's rec. basketball and those same fans who this past week that told me their heels are done ( see my heels are throwing in the towel thread ) are going to give me a hard time about St. John's. But I will see them again next Friday. Our players have 4 days to think about how they played today and have 4 days to prepare to take it all out on unc and I don't care if it's in chapel hill the heels are gonna get buried. OFC
i certainly hope you are right Sky. I certainly hope the Freshmen figure out what it takes to win a game like Thursday when the heat will be turned up like no other place this year and you have DUKE strapped across your chest. They think they can waltz in Chapel Hill and just go through the motion and win, they will be in for another rude and embarrassing loss. The Holes do have a lot more experience coming into this rivalry than Duke does. Don’t think their seniors will not have them ready for a damn war. Coach and GA better dang sure have our Frosh ready.
Coach K is definitely not above criticism. Last year was his worst coaching job by far. He looked like a rookie coaching. He has redeemed himself a little this year. It's very puzzling why he doesn't go to the 2010 style defense we played. I think that would work for this team. That was a pack line-ish defense
Skydad walks in at the half, paces a minute,” Boys we got to get it in gear or your gonna look like those baby blue elementary kids down the street!”
Team,” but Sky their playing basketball how do we do that?”
Skydad,” I’ll tell you how!! You go out there slap the floor and play Duke basketball!!!” They get the ball you take it! We score you get on the floor and slap it like a Wojo would and Carter Bagley you slap the ball into the stands like Battier and Williams did!”” I don’t care how you Do it but you play like Duke!!”
Team fired up!!
Skydad- now let us pray!
Unnecessary Roughness
Team,” but Sky their playing basketball how do we do that?”
Skydad,” I’ll tell you how!! You go out there slap the floor and play Duke basketball!!!” They get the ball you take it! We score you get on the floor and slap it like a Wojo would and Carter Bagley you slap the ball into the stands like Battier and Williams did!”” I don’t care how you Do it but you play like Duke!!”
Team fired up!!
Skydad- now let us pray!
Unnecessary Roughness
I feel Grayson has turned the reins and his leadership over to someone else. His demise has just caused us to miss the one player we can’t afford to go awol. No leadership will equal a short post season. Our pieces just don’t seem to mesh much of the time. Maybe Grayson will comeback before it’s too late.
Interesting how our poor and lethargic play leads to the other teams confidence to beat us. Nothing seems to motivate the competition like the sight of our awful effort.
Response absolutely. Our bigs don’t guard the pick and roll very well. Yet the coach them in that situation time and time again. We have no depth because the coach has not created any. Really get tired hearing the same old tired excses. I can see with my eyes. Could give two craps what Bilas and everyone else thinks! Just my opinion sit! That response good enough for you big guy?
This loss is concerning because we were supposed to have turned a corner by now. In 2015 we turned a corner in mid-Jan after the Miami loss. Our only other reg season loss was on the road to #8 ND (and then we spanked them by 30 at Cameron with me in attendance). In 2010, we turned the corner in late Jan after losing on the road to #7 Georgetown. Our only other loss was at (ranked) Maryland. This feels different than those years; the schedule is easier, and the progress is slower. But it’s not last year though.
Every story is different. We still have the same issues, not sure we will overcome them by season’s end. They are a lack of boxing out, a carelessness with the ball and poor free throw shooting. However we have the talent to overcome all of that. We lost yesterday due to all over the above, but also we didn’t have the killer mentality to finish off St John’s in the first half. Time and time again we all see what happens when you let an inferior team hang around when the inferior team is in front of a home crowd.
We can critique all the mentioned items and they are all fair. Again I think at this point we will have to live with the product we have. But we lost yesterday because we couldn’t overcome all of the above PLUS we let a team hang around instead of putting them away early. If we pushed the lead out to 12-15 points in the first half we win going away. Instead they were close enough to make a typical home push and we couldn’t get the momentum going back to us soon enough and we ran out of time.
If this team plays hard for 40 minutes we won’t lose another game this year. But we have a ton of freshman who lack the needed maturity to understand these nuisances to the game. We could have used senior leadership to stop the momentum sooner yesterday. Grayson continues to struggle and we didn’t get it. But this game was not alarming in the slightest. I tried to warn people well in advance, but most thought this would be a pushover. College sports many a times comes down to who has the most motivation. Crazy I know but it is true.
I think Thursday's game will tell us a lot about this group of players. They will hustle and play hard and not take plays off or get blown out at Carolina. The environment is going to be nothing like these freshmen have seen. Embrace it or fold. Berry and a few other players for Carolina have been there before. Williams is a good enough coach to easily see our weakness. We need to push it inside and let Grayson and Trent take the 3 point shots.
Love it when Samurai says "they must show us some respect" in the huddle, then proceeds to destroy the entire O-line.
Why in the hell didn't Coach K call a timeout before that last 3? He pulled a Roy Williams. We had 2 timeouts I believe.
Didnt catch this on the first viewing - just called out on ESPN by jwill...quote from Coach K
"You have to respond while it’s going on — at halftime, at a timeout. You have got to respond, and when you don’t, you’re into your into your own stuff, for whatever reason that is. Maybe you’re not ready, you’re sick, you’re whatever. You’ve gotta give it up. We didn’t give it up. "
jwill mentioned he thought its a OAD culture thing....he may be right and maybe this group just has too much focus on their own stuff right now....if they ever buy into the true Duke mindset and play with passion and team work they would be unstoppable...
"You have to respond while it’s going on — at halftime, at a timeout. You have got to respond, and when you don’t, you’re into your into your own stuff, for whatever reason that is. Maybe you’re not ready, you’re sick, you’re whatever. You’ve gotta give it up. We didn’t give it up. "
jwill mentioned he thought its a OAD culture thing....he may be right and maybe this group just has too much focus on their own stuff right now....if they ever buy into the true Duke mindset and play with passion and team work they would be unstoppable...
I think what has made K a great coach is largely wasted on OADs. When you look at 2015, there were pieces in place (Quinn, Amile, great PG) that this year's team just doesn't have.
I think what semi-critics like me would like to see is an environment where non-OAD glue guys like Jeter are sticking around for 4 years. I really hope the staff is working to keep this year's bench on next year's squad. I know we're not doing that with playtime this year.....
We need the Grayson Allen from the MSU game to show up; the MB3 from the tournament in Oregon; and the Duval, Carter and Trent that have been stepping up since the Miami game. Hopefully, the bench can contribute 10-12 points; 15-20 minuets between Bolden, DeLaurier, Goldwire, O’Connel and White.
If the above happens, we win by 30+ points and the bench gets a lot more than 20 minutes of playing time.
You know, for some reason, I always naively thought that one of a coach's jobs is to motivate the players, which includes more than just telling them to communicate and to try harder. I am not saying that K is not trying to motivate the team, but only that whatever approach he has been using does not seem to be working yet. The number of turnovers in recent games is astonishing. Foul shooting is not good. Can't stop the pick-and-roll. I would like to see more passing, more set plays, less free-lancing. K is right. What we are getting is not Duke basketball, which does not need 4 OAD's to do it.
I have criticized K's coaching in the past and never really gotten flack.
I think it happens more often to people that:
1. Only come here when they have complaints
2. Post very rarely so no one remembers any good thing they may have said.
3. Say or imply Coach K is done as a Coach.
I think it happens more often to people that:
1. Only come here when they have complaints
2. Post very rarely so no one remembers any good thing they may have said.
3. Say or imply Coach K is done as a Coach.