Juzang enters NBA draft

[SmedMoley]

Nobody has a problem with guys leaving early when they average like 25/game in leading their team to the FF. Not even close to situations like EJ Montgomery, Whitney, Hagans, & others who clearly weren’t ready & had done nothing to make anyone think otherwise. Not saying that Juzang SHOULD go but he at least showed enough for it to be a realistic option. Like someone else said, his stock will probably never be higher. Personally, I think he needed another year to improve his ball handling & add more consistency to his shot. But, this is nothing like the decisions that make ppl insane here.

Exactly! People can act stupid about this all they want. There's a difference.

 

[Cats192]

Only at Kentucky

Well, no.

Only at Kentucky do players have an awful freshmen season and go pro anyways. Juzang having a hot tournament run and going pro--that's pretty normal. No one gripes about that.

But people like you love to create this false narrative that we're insane for being frustrated when Boston, Clarke, EJ Montgomery, etc go pro before they've had one iota of success here. And somehow Johnny Juzang dominating in the NCAAT and going pro is the same to some of ya'll. LOL

 

[Peopleonherearebitches]

Well, no.

Only at Kentucky do players have an awful freshmen season and go pro anyways. Juzang having a hot tournament run and going pro--that's pretty normal. No one gripes about that.

But people like you love to create this false narrative that we're insane for being frustrated when Boston, Clarke, EJ Montgomery, etc go pro before they've had one iota of success here. And somehow Johnny Juzang dominating in the NCAAT and going pro is the same to some of ya'll. LOL

And hook set. I could give a **** less what a college kid does with his life

 

[SmedMoley]

And hook set. I could give a **** less what a college kid does with his life

Yes. You could give a ****. I agree.

 

[gracetoyou]

What? No, this is a bunch of hyperbolic ********.

Name a UK player that carried UK to the Final Four, game after game, that drove UK fans to complain about him leaving early?

The closest I can find is Aaron Harrison, but Juzang's run was ten times more impressive. He didn't just hit shots at the end of games, he was unstoppable from the 2nd half of the Michigan State game until they lost in OT in the final four.

Juzang would be stupid to come back, the odds of him going on another run like he just had, are very low.

Meanwhile, we're losing EJ, Richards, Hagans, Diallo, Dakari, Knox, Skal, Teague, Lamb, Wenyen and many others, after they played like ****.

The situations cant be any different.

Ok.

 

[HesFromOH]

Teague and Lamb rode AD and MKG's coattails to the 2012 title and Dakari simply held serve.

Come on Lead Belly, you have to come stronger than this. None of those players even had 1 game anywhere near as big as what Juzang had in every tournament game he played.

If Juzang had just carried UK to a FF the way he just did for UCLA, very few UK fans would have a problem with him going pro.

This isn’t any different than Liggins and/or Knight in 2011, both had great tournament runs and both went pro after that season.

So I'll ask you, have you heard snyone complain about Liggins or Knight going pro after 2011? I haven't.

Lol, Teague was our most consistent player in the tournament. And I am not sure you can say with a straight face that Lamb, UK's best 3% shooter ever, rode coattails.

LMAO, Lamb scored 16,16,21,14,10, and then 22 in the championship in 2012. He shot over 50% from 3 during the tournament on like 25 attempts.

Teague scored 12,24,14 ,and then 14 in the championship. That doesn't sound like a lot of coattail riding.

Dakari averaged 5 pts and 4 boards on the season and ended up posting games of 15/6 and 10/7 when filling in for WCS. That's a little more than holding serve. Lol.

If Juzang had won a championship while doing it, then yes. Otherwise people would have bitched.

Yea, people complained about Knight and Liggins at the time. That quite after we won the championship. It wouldn't logically make a lot of sense to complain about missing players after you won the championship would it? Lol, didn't think that one out, did you?

It's ironic you say Lamb and Teague rode coattails when they both had multiple big games, but then claim Liggins had a great tournament run when his highest scoring game was 15 pts and he only broke double digits twice. I'm sure you will bring up his defense, but let me give you a little information first. He only had steals in 2 of 5 tournament games. So not sure what you consider great about his tournament run....

Come on big guy, you gotta do better than this. I expect much more!

 

[kyjeff1]

Lol, Teague was our most consistent player in the tournament. And I am not sure you can say with a straight face that Lamb, UK's best 3% shooter ever, rode coattails.

LMAO, Lamb scored 16,16,21,14,10, and then 22 in the championship in 2012. He shot over 50% from 3 during the tournament on like 25 attempts.

Teague scored 12,24,14 ,and then 14 in the championship. That doesn't sound like a lot of coattail riding.

Dakari averaged 5 pts and 4 boards on the season and ended up posting games of 15/6 and 10/7 when filling in for WCS. That's a little more than holding serve. Lol.

If Juzang had won a championship while doing it, then yes. Otherwise people would have bitched.

Yea, people complained about Knight and Liggins at the time. That quite after we won the championship. It wouldn't logically make a lot of sense to complain about missing players after you won the championship would it? Lol, didn't think that one out, did you?

It's ironic you say Lamb and Teague rode coattails when they both had multiple big games, but then claim Liggins had a great tournament run when his highest scoring game was 15 pts and he only broke double digits twice. I'm sure you will bring up his defense, but let me give you a little information first. He only had steals in 2 of 5 tournament games. So not sure what you consider great about his tournament run....

Come on big guy, you gotta do better than this. I expect much more!

None of the players you mentioned carried UK to a final four.

Did Juzang have the #1 and #2 draft picks on the floor with him? No, he was the focal point of every team UCLA faces and he still got them there.

At no point was Teague, Dakari or Lamb the focal point, they were complimentary players.

Very few on here complained about Liggins and Knight leaving early. Keep in mind, that was 2011 and we were only a couple of seasons into this farm system era, so it was a bit tough to swallow at that time, we have come a long way since then.

When people on here talk about the list of players that screwed the program over by leaving early, you don't see Knight, Liggins, Lamb and Teague listed very often. It’s usually EJ, Diallo, Wenyen, Hagans, Briscoe, twins, Young etc…

But none of those guys compares to what Johnny Juzang just did. He was unstoppable anytime he was in the game and scored at will from inside and out with the team on his back. This isn’t close.

 

[HesFromOH]

None of the players you mentioned carried UK to a final four.

Did Juzang have the #1 and #2 draft picks on the floor with him? No, he was the focal point of every team UCLA faces and he still got them there.

At no point was Teague, Dakari or Lamb the focal point, they were complimentary players.

Very few on here complained about Liggins and Knight leaving early. Keep in mind, that was 2011 and we were only a couple of seasons into this farm system era, so it was a bit tough to swallow at that time, we have come a long way since then.

When people on here talk about the list of players that screwed the program over by leaving early, you don't see Knight, Liggins, Lamb and Teague listed very often. It’s usually EJ, Diallo, Wenyen, Hagans, Briscoe, twins, Young etc…

But none of those guys compares to what Johnny Juzang just did. He was unstoppable anytime he was in the game and scored at will from inside and out with the team on his back. This isn’t close.

Lol, Lamb was our leading scorer in the tournament. That's over 6 games. No one being honest with themselves can say he was a complimentary piece. We wouldn't have won without him. Teague was our starting and only PG. Not sure how you could honestly think that could be considered a complimentary piece. Just yesterday you were saying PG is the most important position. Today it's evidently just "complimentary." You sure contradict yourself a lot!

Many complained about Liggins leaving early until it became futile after we won in 2012. Lamb and Teague are often commonly cited as players who should have returned and people like to pontificate the difference they could have made in 2013.

Lamb's PPG total for the tournament wasn't that far off from Juzang. We just had other options as well. Lamb was also the best shooter on the #1 team, so he and UK were on everyones radar. UCLA and Juzang were on a 4 game losing streak and barely made the tournament. Juzang and UCLA weren't on anyone's radar. Little bit different circumstances.

 

[kyjeff1]

Lol, Lamb was our leading scorer in the tournament. That's over 6 games. No one being honest with themselves can say he was a complimentary piece. We wouldn't have won without him. Teague was our starting and only PG. Not sure how you could honestly think that could be considered a complimentary piece. Just yesterday you were saying PG is the most important position. Today it's evidently just "complimentary." You sure contradict yourself a lot!

Many complained about Liggins leaving early until it became futile after we won in 2012. Lamb and Teague are often commonly cited as players who should have returned and people like to pontificate the difference they could have made in 2013.

Lamb's PPG total for the tournament wasn't that far off from Juzang. We just had other options as well. Lamb was also the best shooter on the #1 team, so he and UK were on everyones radar. UCLA and Juzang were on a 4 game losing streak and barely made the tournament. Juzang and UCLA weren't on anyone's radar. Little bit different circumstances.

Did either player carry UK to the final four? It’s a yes or no question.

Any team that has AD, MKG and Jones on it, will not be carried by Lamb or Teague. Yeah, they scored a lot of points, but the damn team was loaded to the hilt. If Juzang isn’t on that team, UCLA gets blown out in the play-in game.

 

[HesFromOH]

Did either player carry UK to the final four? It’s a yes or no question.

Any team that has AD, MKG and Jones on it, will not be carried by Lamb or Teague. Yeah, they scored a lot of points, but the damn team was loaded to the hilt. If Juzang isn’t on that team, UCLA gets blown out in the play-in game.

Yes! Literally both did.

Lol, Juzang wasn't even UCLA's best player against MSU.

Yea, your leading scorer and shooter in pretty much all 6 tournament games, not to mention best shooter in school history was just a "complimentary piece" who we would have been just as successful without.

Dude, you gotta come with better than this. Right now you just look ignorant to the history of a program you claim to be a major fan of.

 

[HesFromOH]

@kyjeff1 remember when you claimed Washington was a fringe top 25 and the kind we wanted to avoid?

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings

Well, now he is currently ranked 12th in his class, and the 2nd highest rated PG overall.

 

[kyjeff1]

@kyjeff1 remember when you claimed Washington was a fringe top 25 and the kind we wanted to avoid?

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings

Well, now he is currently ranked 12th in his class, and the 2nd highest rated PG overall.

Who cares? He might be a damn good player, but the days of freshmen led teams is coming to an end.
2nd tier 5* kids are poison to your program. They are AAU talents that already have 1 foot out the door before they get here. They are not invested in the program, win or lose, they are leaving after 1, maybe 2 years, no matter what.

 

[HesFromOH]

Who cares? He might be a damn good player, but the days of freshmen led teams is coming to an end.
2nd tier 5* kids are poison to your program. They are AAU talents that already have 1 foot out the door before they get here. They are not invested in the program, win or lose, they are leaving after 1, maybe 2 years, no matter what.

LMAO, you think being ranked 12 overall and the 2nd best PG in your class is considered 2nd tier? Damn! Jalen Suggs was ranked 11th last year and you claim he is the type we need to get. 1 spot makes that much difference?

Your logic is astoundingly interesting to behold!

 

[DocPT]

Go, Johnny, go!!!

Johnny be good

 

[kyjeff1]

LMAO, you think being ranked 12 overall and the 2nd best PG in your class is considered 2nd tier? Damn! Jalen Suggs was ranked 11th last year and you claim he is the type we need to get. 1 spot makes that much difference?

Your logic is astoundingly interesting to behold!

Jalen Suggs was inserted into a veteran lineup that was already final four good, that doesn't happen at UK.

There is a stark difference between Cade Cunningham and TyTy Washington. Cade is on a different level.

Sorry LB, I'm just done with the whole one and done thing. Maybe it's a new sickness, we'll call it "one-and-done fatigue".

You don't have to like it, this is a message board, you can post your opinions at your leisure.

 

[HesFromOH]

Jalen Suggs was inserted into a veteran lineup that was already final four good, that doesn't happen at UK.

There is a stark difference between Cade Cunningham and TyTy Washington. Cade is on a different level.

Sorry LB, I'm just done with the whole one and done thing. Maybe it's a new sickness, we'll call it "one-and-done fatigue".

You don't have to like it, this is a message board, you can post your opinions at your leisure.

UK will be similar next year if we add and retain what we are expected to. As of right now it's looking like we will have 12 guys, with at least 8 of them being veteran players. Could potentially be 9. By far the most in the Cal era.

Well sure. Cunningham is a consensus 1st rd pick. Washington is only a projected lottery at this point. Considering his fast ascent up the rankings, it's not out of the realm of considerations that Washington ends up a top 5 or 10 pick though.

You just said yesterday we should take the top players we can get from the class and build around them with veterans. That would literally be the case with Washington this year.

Who said I didn't like it? I am enjoying getting a rise out of you and beholding this abundance of contradictions you're offering up.

Also, Hardy, Carr or Wright would likely be OAD. Not seeing the difference in them (who you stated you prefer) and potential OAD Washington.

 

[kyjeff1]

UK will be similar next year if we add and retain what we are expected to. As of right now it's looking like we will have 12 guys, with at least 8 of them being veteran players. Could potentially be 9. By far the most in the Cal era.

Well sure. Cunningham is a consensus 1st rd pick. Washington is only a projected lottery at this point. Considering his fast ascent up the rankings, it's not out of the realm of considerations that Washington ends up a top 5 or 10 pick though.

You just said yesterday we should take the top players we can get from the class and build around them with veterans. That would literally be the case with Washington this year.

Who said I didn't like it? I am enjoying getting a rise out of you and beholding this abundance of contradictions you're offering up.

Huh? I said we need to take the top players in the class and build around them??? The hell I did.

The only thing I MIGHT have said that would resemble that would be "if you can get a top 5 kid, you have to take him, but Cal needs to stay the hell away from the second tier 5* kids". I have been very consistent with my stance on that.

Yeah, while we MIGHT be a veteran team next year, keep in mind, it will still be a new team, it won't be Baylor 2021. Baylor's kids were a very cohesive unit, but I'll take it.

I would rather have Carr or the Colorado kid over Tyty though, I'm just over this one-and-done crap.

 

[HesFromOH]

Huh? I said we need to take the top players in the class and build around them??? The hell I did.

The only thing I MIGHT have said that would resemble that would be "if you can get a top 5 kid, you have to take him, but Cal needs to stay the hell away from the second tier 5* kids". I have been very consistent with my stance on that.

Yeah, while we MIGHT be a veteran team next year, keep in mind, it will still be a new team, it won't be Baylor 2021. Baylor's kids were a very cohesive unit, but I'll take it.

I would rather have Carr or the Colorado kidover Tyty though, I'm just over this one-and-done crap.

Lol, yea, you literally said we should just get 2 or 3 of the best recruits each year and mix them with returning players. This was when you were stating you wanted Hardy. And I called you out for saying you didn't want OAD and you said he was ranked so high and expected to be so good, and I brought up he was ranked the same as Boston and Clarke who were also projected to be so good.

Baylor was already good last year when they constructed a team out of transfers. They just kept it going into this year. We will return Allen, Toppin, Ware - likely Brooks and Mintz- and Oscar who was with them since January. That's six dudes who have been together a while. Then you add in Grady and CJ, and I think we actually end up with Miller instead of Washington. That is a really experienced team. It may take a month or so to really click, but that is probably one of the most experienced rosters in the country if it pans out. Hell of a shooting team, too. If we get Washington though, you are essentially plugging him into a similar situation as to what Suggs had this year is my point.

But Carr and Wright would also be OAD for us. At least Washington has a shot of being a 2 year guy.

 

[kyjeff1]

Lol, yea, you literally said we should just get 2 or 3 of the best recruits each year and mix them with returning players. This was when you were stating you wanted Hardy. And I called you out for saying you didn't want OAD and you said he was ranked so high and expected to be so good, and I brought up he was ranked the same as Boston and Clarke who were also projected to be so good.

Baylor was already good last year when they constructed a team out of transfers. They just kept it going into this year. We will return Allen, Toppin, Ware - likely Brooks and Mintz- and Oscar who was with them since January. That's six dudes who have been together a while. Then you add in Grady and CJ, and I think we actually end up with Miller instead of Washington. That is a really experienced team. It may take a month or so to really click, but that is probably one of the most experienced rosters in the country if it pans out. Hell of a shooting team, too. If we get Washington though, you are essentially plugging him into a similar situation as to what Suggs had this year is my point.

But Carr and Wright would also be OAD for us. At least Washington has a shot of being a 2 year guy.

I said "if you can get Hardy, fine, but stop bringing in these 2nd tier 5* kids". I never said "bring in 2 or 3 five star kids".

 

[HesFromOH]

@kyjeff1
"Haven't we learned our lesson? Judging a hs kid on his highlights is a big mistake. If the kid was rated where Jaden Hardy is, cool, but TyTy is a project. We need a legit veteran to run the pg spot next year."

He is now rated one spot below Jaden Hardy....so, it's cool now, right?

"I think we're in a spot where we need to not put ourselves in a position where we are depending on 2 projects to run point. Yeah, maybe some of the rankings are a crapshoot, but TyTy and Hickman are rated in the 30's, not the teens. That should tell us that they are projects, not immediate impact players."

Now Washington is rated 12th, by your own words shouldn't that mean he is no longer a project and more likely immediate impact?

 

[kyjeff1]

@kyjeff1
"Haven't we learned our lesson? Judging a hs kid on his highlights is a big mistake. If the kid was rated where Jaden Hardy is, cool, but TyTy is a project. We need a legit veteran to run the pg spot next year."

He is now rated one spot below Jaden Hardy....so, it's cool now, right?

"I think we're in a spot where we need to not put ourselves in a position where we are depending on 2 projects to run point. Yeah, maybe some of the rankings are a crapshoot, but TyTy and Hickman are rated in the 30's, not the teens. That should tell us that they are projects, not immediate impact players."

Now Washington is rated 12th, by your own words shouldn't that mean he is no longer a project and more likely immediate impact?

Uhhhh okay, where in that post did I say we should get 2 or 3 5* kids???
You just proved what I said and disproved what you said. Yeah, if you can get a top 3 kid like Jaden Hardy, great, but nowhere did I say we need to get 2 or 3 five star kids every year, in fact, I said the exact opposite.

 

[HoldMyBeer]

Thought buddy quit caring about UK when the kids/ Cal took a knee? Instead he's here crying again, & knows UK recruits better than Jerry Meyer.