Just watched IU vs ND - condensed game

Westcoast

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Notre Dame is going to be tough. Indiana was able to pull away late with lots of individual plays by TJD on O and D. But he has some unique skills that we don't necessarily have.

ND played both zone and man on D and did give IU issues with their zone.
Meanwhile on offense ND hit lots of 3's (no surprise) but also had some nice individual plays in the paint and around the basket. They are pretty darn good.
Like many have said, we are going to have to hit our shots to win this.
 

Plum Street

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Interesting take . Most of the people on this board are predicting us to roll. Concerning because many of those people predicted an iowa win . I expect a loss tonight. Obviously , hoping for a win . If we can win tonight , we will beat bama Friday
 

RUChoppin

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Notre Dame is going to be tough. Indiana was able to pull away late with lots of individual plays by TJD on O and D. But he has some unique skills that we don't necessarily have.

ND played both zone and man on D and did give IU issues with their zone.
Meanwhile on offense ND hit lots of 3's (no surprise) but also had some nice individual plays in the paint and around the basket. They are pretty darn good.
Like many have said, we are going to have to hit our shots to win this.
Didn't Notre Dame go 4/22 from the arc in that game?

Their offense definitely seems to be heavily dependent on three pointers. When they shoot at least 23 in a game, they generally win. We'll have to chase them off the line. It's one of those games that might just depend on how hot they are from range.
 

Loyal_2RU

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We need to play our lockdown D and hit a few shots and we win.

Or else probably not
 

Yeah Baby

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Didn't Notre Dame go 4/22 from the arc in that game?

Their offense definitely seems to be heavily dependent on three pointers. When they shoot at least 23 in a game, they generally win. We'll have to chase them off the line. It's one of those games that might just depend on how hot they are from range.
That and Indiana is playing much better now but we beat them in a must win game on their floor. That does not mean we roll tonight but I feel like we are the better team. When we play our best we are much better.
 

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Interesting take . Most of the people on this board are predicting us to roll. Concerning because many of those people predicted an iowa win . I expect a loss tonight. Obviously , hoping for a win . If we can win tonight , we will beat bama Friday

I think a lot of people had tempered expectations after Iowa put up 110+ on NW the day before.

ND is a mediocre to good team. Their defense is fine. They play a standard 2-3 rather than the 1-3-1 zone from Iowa that gave us fits. They also play a much slower tempo.
 
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I think a lot of people had tempered expectations after Iowa put up 110+ on NW the day before.

ND is a mediocre to good team. Their defense is fine. They play a standard 2-3 rather than the 1-3-1 zone from Iowa that gave us fits. They also play a much slower tempo.
Was that a 1-3-1? Iowa was all over the place with their zone showing 2-3,3-2 and 1-3-1. What they really did was chase our key players and match up but I couldn’t figure out exactly what they were doing other than chasing our scorers and zoning and matching up. One sequence they showed a 2-3 and then Toussad chased RHJ down the baseline from the top.

We had 5 easy shots and a wide open corner 3 that we missed In the first half and it was a handful of guys missing. They allowed those shots and took away what we like to do. It was a 10 minute period and it was the difference.
 
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Plum Street

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I think a lot of people had tempered expectations after Iowa put up 110+ on NW the day before.

ND is a mediocre to good team. Their defense is fine. They play a standard 2-3 rather than the 1-3-1 zone from Iowa that gave us fits. They also play a much slower tempo.
If you read the iowa prediction thread, you will see what I am talking about .
I think tonight is a toss up , 52 percent ND wins . Hopefully the good guys from piscataway pull it out . But I think we as a fanbase have to realize this is a game we could very well lose.
 

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If you read the iowa prediction thread, you will see what I am talking about .
I think tonight is a toss up , 52 percent ND wins . Hopefully the good guys from piscataway pull it out . But I think we as a fanbase have to realize this is a game we could very well lose.

Sure I'm sure people should realize that. Nothing is guaranteed. I feel more like 70/30 Rutgers wins
 
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RUChoppin

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I think a lot of people had tempered expectations after Iowa put up 110+ on NW the day before.

ND is a mediocre to good team. Their defense is fine. They play a standard 2-3 rather than the 1-3-1 zone from Iowa that gave us fits. They also play a much slower tempo.

Notre Dame will also use a 1-3-1... they did against UVA.

 

NewJerseyHawk

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Plum Street and a handful of others are consistently anti RU or picking the opponent to win, pointing out random fan takes and suggestions.

No one is taking ND lightly because they want to see RU win and then taking Iowa way out of context, because we have played Iowa well in recent years. Fans were picking RU based on the phantom belief that 12-8 wasn't good enough to dance, when it clearly was.

It's the tournament......anything can happen when you have evenly matched teams in the 1st round.
 

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About a week and a half ago when it became a possibility ru and nd could meet in a play in game my die hard ND fan friend said he didn't want to face RU because it wasn't a good matchup for them.

He has watched I'd say 90 % if ND games and 65 % if RU so he knows both teams well.

I do get a chuckle out of the guys that come in here and say.

"We gotta hit our shots and play good defense"

No **** Sherlock, every team in the tournament has to do that.
 

zappaa

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About a week and a half ago when it became a possibility ru and nd could meet in a play in game my die hard ND fan friend said he didn't want to face RU because it wasn't a good matchup for them.

He has watched I'd say 90 % if ND games and 65 % if RU so he knows both teams well.

I do get a chuckle out of the guys that come in here and say.

"We gotta hit our shots and play good defense"

No **** Sherlock, every team in the tournament has to do that.
We do have to hit our shots and play good defense…that’s funny?
Who cares if it’s OBVIOUS, it’s a message board
 
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RULoyal

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If you read the iowa prediction thread, you will see what I am talking about .
I think tonight is a toss up , 52 percent ND wins . Hopefully the good guys from piscataway pull it out . But I think we as a fanbase have to realize this is a game we could very well lose.
I’m going with 51.5% RU wins.
 

RUChoppin

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Rutgers' AdjD is 95.3 (44th) per bart.

Here are the teams that Notre Dame has faced with an AdjD lower than 98, sorted by AdjD:
90.1 - St. Mary's (L)
90.7 - Indiana (L)
93.2 - Illinois (L)
94.7 - Texas A&M (L)
95.2 - Duke (L)
95.8 - UVA (W)
95.9 - VTech (L, L)
96.0 - Wake Forest (L)
96.3 - UNC (W)

That's 8 of their 10 losses.
 
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Notre Dame is going to be tough. Indiana was able to pull away late with lots of individual plays by TJD on O and D. But he has some unique skills that we don't necessarily have.

ND played both zone and man on D and did give IU issues with their zone.
Meanwhile on offense ND hit lots of 3's (no surprise) but also had some nice individual plays in the paint and around the basket. They are pretty darn good.
Like many have said, we are going to have to hit our shots to win this.
Keep in mind IU is a much worse shooting team (from 3) than Rutgers. A zone would be effective against IU. Rutgers has shown that ability to crave up a zone when Paul is at the high post area. If Rutgers can do that consistently, then the zone is not a good option of the No Shame, sorry, Notre Lame. 😜

I would love for Rutgers to hit their outside shots, but there are enough guys like Geo, Ron, and Paul to work their way into the paint for high percentage shots. We are not talking about ND being a great (man-to-man) defensive team. Trying to look more at how each team matches up to one another. Too often, we look at Rutgers in a bubble and think
 
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Rutgers' AdjD is 95.3 (44th) per bart.
44, that's me! Gonna get some COLD CUTS tonight!

Re: ND winning more often when they put up 23+ 3's... too bad they didn't attempt one more 3 vs. Indiana, they might've won the game.

ND has only beaten two teams with a pulse since early February: Syracuse and Clemson. Wins against Pitt, NC State, BC, Louisville, and Georgia Tech do not compare to what our defense can bring to the floor. In that time, they lost to VT twice, Wake, and FSU.

Bottom line - bring the defensive intensity, take care of the basketball (they don't seem to force many turnovers), and play loose, and we should win the game.
 

cmhawks99

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Wyoming was a much easier draw.

Huh?! Wyoming was a good basketball team that I felt was under-seeded & got a terrible draw in Indiana. They struggled with the physicality of the Big Ten & TJD.

Indiana would beat Notre Dame again now and I would propose fairly easily.

You guys also can win but trying to pretend like you got a worse draw is silly.
 

RUChoppin

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44, that's me! Gonna get some COLD CUTS tonight!

Re: ND winning more often when they put up 23+ 3's... too bad they didn't attempt one more 3 vs. Indiana, they might've won the game.

ND has only beaten two teams with a pulse since early February: Syracuse and Clemson. Wins against Pitt, NC State, BC, Louisville, and Georgia Tech do not compare to what our defense can bring to the floor. In that time, they lost to VT twice, Wake, and FSU.

Bottom line - bring the defensive intensity, take care of the basketball (they don't seem to force many turnovers), and play loose, and we should win the game.

They shot 4/22 (.182) that game.... and we know a little something about having an unexpectedly cold game from the arc.
 

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If you read the iowa prediction thread, you will see what I am talking about .
I think tonight is a toss up , 52 percent ND wins . Hopefully the good guys from piscataway pull it out . But I think we as a fanbase have to realize this is a game we could very well lose.

So you're predicting that Rutgers may or may not win or lose.
 
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RUPete

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About a week and a half ago when it became a possibility ru and nd could meet in a play in game my die hard ND fan friend said he didn't want to face RU because it wasn't a good matchup for them.

He has watched I'd say 90 % if ND games and 65 % if RU so he knows both teams well.

I do get a chuckle out of the guys that come in here and say.

"We gotta hit our shots and play good defense"

No **** Sherlock, every team in the tournament has to do that.
I think when people post that they mean that we are a grind it out team that can't be off too much in either facet of the game. Some programs have individual stars that can compensate for others being off or not playing great D on a couple of possessions.

I'm not saying every one of our guys has to light it up on O but the majority of them need to be solid and we always need to rebound and lock in on D. Rebounding in particular- last two games we have given up too many offensive rebounds.
 

Plum Street

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Plum Street and a handful of others are consistently anti RU or picking the opponent to win, pointing out random fan takes and suggestions.

No one is taking ND lightly because they want to see RU win and then taking Iowa way out of context, because we have played Iowa well in recent years. Fans were picking RU based on the phantom belief that 12-8 wasn't good enough to dance, when it clearly was.

It's the tournament......anything can happen when you have evenly matched teams in the 1st round.
No one is anti RU. We are discussing basketball and predicting games.
 

RUPete

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No one is anti RU. We are discussing basketball and predicting games.
I have been going over the stat comparisons of both teams a lot, and like you, I'm wary of ND. I didn't pay much attention to them throughout the year (not really an ACC guy) so I didn't have a good feel for them when we were paired up.
 

Plum Street

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I have been going over the stat comparisons of both teams a lot, and like you, I'm wary of ND. I didn't pay much attention to them throughout the year (not really an ACC guy) so I didn't have a good feel for them when we were paired up.
Yes and it seems like they live and die by 3. Can’t allow open looks
 

RUChoppin

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We're still a Jekyll/Hyde team. Jekyll shows up, we have a very good chance of winning (provided they don't go ham from three). Hyde shows up, we lose. It isn't really rocket surgery.

Reasons to hope: We play better D than most teams in the ACC, and Notre Dame hasn't had a great record against strong defenses. If the zebras let us bang, I think we can be much more physical than they are. We have the ability to shoot over a zone and to break it inside if our shots are falling. Mulcahy should find some success passing the ball, and McConnell should help frustrate Wesley (or Goodwin, whoever he ends up on).

Reasons to worry: They're a live-by-the-three/die-by-the-three team, and if they get hot from the arc we could be in serious trouble - they have the ability to score in bunches like Iowa does. If we hit a cold patch and struggle to score, or if we struggle to knock down good looks and bunnies, things can get quickly out of hand. If the wrong couple of players pick up early fouls, our offensive flow usually suffers.

Other factors:
- Site: Will the new arena/ball impact the overall 3P%? If so, that works out better for us than for them. But if they adjust to it better than we can, it will work out better for them than us. So far, Indiana/Wyoming/Texas Southern have all shot below their season averages from the arc, and Texas A&M-CC shot above it.
- Fans: The game is closer to ND's campus than to ours, and they have a more widespread fanbase in general. However, Dayton is home to McConnell and Harper Sr, so maybe that'll make a pro-RU local draw? We tend to do better with fan support.
- Officiating style: In a more loosely called game (like Indiana/Wyoming last night) we would probably have an advantage.... whereas in a more tightly called game, they likely will because their style of offense/defense doesn't usually cause them to pick up fouls anyway.
 
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If we don’t need to double down low we aren’t bad at guarding the 3. Also Caleb somehow is able to guard his guy while playing help team defense all over the place which is amazing. If they don’t have some bruiser down low we need to worry about and we speed up their shooting and don’t give them easy looks we’ll be ok. Ron plays bully ball and we shoot at least 30 percent from three we win. We can’t shoot 15 percent like Indians just did against Wyoming.
 
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Plum Street

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If we don’t need to double down low we aren’t bad at guarding the 3. Also Caleb somehow is able to guard his guy while playing help team defense all over the place which is amazing. If they don’t have some bruiser down low we need to worry about and we speed up their shooting and don’t give them easy looks we’ll be ok. Ron plays bully ball and we shoot at least 30 percent from three we win. We can’t shoot 15 percent like Indians just did against Wyoming.
I would not double down on this his team . At least starting out
 

bitnez

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We have a huge advantage with Cliff. He needs to avoid foul trouble. If he’s in the bench with 8 minutes to go in first half with 2 fouls it will make our job a lot harder.
 

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Danger for us is always when Pike begins substituting. I believe we lost all momentum in Iowa game when Hyatt and Reiber came into the game. A bad Hyatt seems to really derail us. Let's see if we can hold water when Reiber, Mags, Hyatt and Miller get subbed in. The fact that we got ZERO points from the bench was a key factor in our loss to Iowa. Cannot happen again tonight.
 
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