Just rewatched the first quarter - re: OL

paindonthurt_

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We had 206 yards of offense in the first quarter. Don't have the break down but a good mix of rushing and passing.

We blocked extremely well minus some really good linebacker play.

Did we man handle CS? Maybe. maybe not, but their defense was top 6 in scoring in fcs last year. Couldn't find rankings on yards.

That defense returned 8 starters including the entire front 7 and Big south POY.

We did what we should have against a less talented but good team.
 

Bulldogg31

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Agreed. Aeris missed the hole on a couple of runs as well, where he could have made one cut and still have been running. Kylin made those cuts later and gashed them.

Aeris admitted as much after the game. The line had guys blocked up and Aeris ran right up they're backs.
 

BertleTheTurtle

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No, no, just stop. The OL play wasn't terrible like everyone claimed against CSU. But to say they have 2 SEC quality DE's is just dumb. They are good players and could probably play somewhere in the FBS ranks, but if they were quality SEC type guys, someone in the FBS would have already recruited them out of the FCS (which happens quite often).
 

Msubulldogfan1

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No, no, just stop. The OL play wasn't terrible like everyone claimed against CSU. But to say they have 2 SEC quality DE's is just dumb. They are good players and could probably play somewhere in the FBS ranks, but if they were quality SEC type guys, someone in the FBS would have already recruited them out of the FCS (which happens quite often).

ges saying latech has 2 sec quality DEs
 

BertleTheTurtle

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Oh man, my bad. I completely missed the La Tech part. I feel like an *** now. I thought you were referencing CSU having 2 SEC quality DE's, which was making me scratch my head. I'll bend the knee.
 

philduckworth

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I just haven't seen many posts saying our Oline played "terrible". I think there are some concerns. And I agree with Lee that La Tech will provide a good test particularly for Reese.
 

MarkDallas

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My impression just watching the game in real time was that Fitz had a guy coming at him from his right side on a lot of throws. They rarely got to him, but several times it looked like they were going to interfere with his motion. In the SEC some of those turn into sacks.
 

GloryDawg

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Oh man, my bad. I completely missed the La Tech part. I feel like an *** now. I thought you were referencing CSU having 2 SEC quality DE's, which was making me scratch my head. I'll bend the knee.

CSU water boy wasn't FBS quality.
 
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this was what i saw too. It made me concerned because this is an FBS team. makes me wonder what they will look like come time to block some real talent. Do we need to move some tightends to block?
 

57stratdawg

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Can we get a breakdown of how the 2016 DL did against Charleston Southern? lol
 

57stratdawg

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The OL might be great the rest of the year. They outperformed most people's expectations in 2016.

But they probably had the worse game against Charleston Southern of any single position group outside of possibly kicker. I'm open to suggestions if I'm forgetting someone.

Hopefully they get some things ironed out.
 

Drebin

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I just haven't seen many posts saying our Oline played "terrible". I think there are some concerns. And I agree with Lee that La Tech will provide a good test particularly for Reese.

The line was indeed terrible in the first game. We didn't stay on blocks, we didn't move guys, and we didn't keep gap integrity very well. CS was able to get much better penetration than they should have. This doesn't mean the line won't get better or won't improve, but they've got to, because if we play that way against an SEC team, our running attack is going to be non-existent. It's as simple as that. I can appreciate the desire of many to be overly optimistic and wooly. I want to be that way too, but I need to see a reason to be. I see a lot of reasons to be on the defensive side of the ball. I have some real concerns on the offensive side of the ball, and that's because of the line.
 

ShrubDog

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We had 206 yards of offense in the first quarter. Don't have the break down but a good mix of rushing and passing.

We blocked extremely well minus some really good linebacker play.

Did we man handle CS? Maybe. maybe not, but their defense was top 6 in scoring in fcs last year. Couldn't find rankings on yards.

That defense returned 8 starters including the entire front 7 and Big south POY.

We did what we should have against a less talented but good team.

^^ should work for footballoutsiders
 

blacklistedbully

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Exactly! Some of the "we think our o-line was good" crowd responded to those who thought we did have reason to be concerned as if we said they were, "terrible". But almost all of us said there was reason for concern, and that we did not think they were good.

Using total yards, YPC and/or scoring in a vacuum is not very useful when evaluating o-line play. The YPC get inflated every time an RB breaks through the hole and blows by all the LB's and DB's. For the o-line in run games, they are more properly judged by how often they opened holes...not how far the RB was able to go after they opened those holes. It's pretty much the same hole, whether it goes for no gain or 99 yards.

By my count, when we used mostly starters (up until KT came in), we ran 29 times, excluding TD runs less than 3 yards. Of those 29, 10 were held for 1 yard or less...11 for 2 or less. To me that is very concerning considering we were up against an inferior FCS d-line & LB's.

Yes, they had some really great plays, and opened some big holes, several of which resulted in huge gains, (19, 19, 15, 12, 11, 11), but I would expect big holes vs an FCS d-line, and would not expect that high a percentage (nearly 40%) to be stuffed for 1 yard or less.

As before, I will concede that a lot of that could be due to it being the first game, and these kids needing to learn how to work together better, and that on a couple of occasions, the RB missed the hole. But to say it was "good o-line play" is something I disagree with because "feast and famine" is not good vs that level of competition. If our o-line was good, there should not have been that much, "famine" vs CSU.

I, like pretty much every poster here who has been critical, am also hopeful we will make adjustments in time to be ready for LT, and will see vast improvement. But I do think we will need to see considerable improvement before we can say our o-line looks good overall. I'd say vs CSU they looked good at times, but also bad almost as much.

I just haven't seen many posts saying our Oline played "terrible". I think there are some concerns. And I agree with Lee that La Tech will provide a good test particularly for Reese.
 

josebrown

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My impression just watching the game in real time was that Fitz had a guy coming at him from his right side on a lot of throws. They rarely got to him, but several times it looked like they were going to interfere with his motion. In the SEC some of those turn into sacks.

It seemed to me that Fitz had someone in his face or hanging off of him(almost) on more throws than not. I'm worried that our Oline usually starts off shaky and improves as the year goes. I really want to beat LSU, and that's what worries me most. I hate having to use Jenkins at center, he is so talented at G/T and we lose that with him at C.

I heard Rosebowl on the radio the other day say he didn't think the Oline did very well. I'd like to be able to see where the starters graded out. Wish the coaches would share that with me, lol. But I spose tomorrow night we'll have a better feel for where they are, and I think they'll surprise us and do better than some of us think.
 

bonedaddy401

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Aug 3, 2012
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Great post. I think the drop off into the 2's and especially the 3's is dramatic. I like our first 5.
 

QuadrupleOption

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Aug 21, 2012
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I found this video on youtube that contains all the offensive snaps from the game. I think folks will see what they want to see - for me, it looked like we had some plays where a lineman got beat, some plays where the line blocked well but an LB came up into the gap and made a good tackle, and some plays where the RB didn't make the best read on where to run the ball.

Certainly room for improvement but I'd give them a C+, especially considering the 2nd and 3rd string played most of the 2nd half.

 

BiscuitEater

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But to say they have 2 SEC quality DE's is just dumb.

Yo Bertle, don't know much about the other DE BUT you will be able to watch Jalon Ferguson (6-5, 255) playing in the NFL whenever he is finished at LA Tech. He is REALLY good and has been named to the 2017 Chuck Bednarik Award Watch List. He is that good.

In 2016, he had 14 TFL AND 14.5 SACKS



 
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