Just Between You and I
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As for Manchin I am sure you would like him to be the reasonable face. But do you want him to wield the influence. To be the direction....because he clearly is on the fringe as far as the party goes. He is an outlier. The party is controlled by the Luxury Beliefs of the coastal elites. The defacto leader ideologically is the Socialist Sanders along with AOSmolette, That is inarguable. Just look at legislation coming from the house. Further just look at the uprising that continues to this day from AntifaBLM and the fear of the Dem Party and its media from saying ANYTHING at all to condemn it. Months and months of burning cities including Louisville...no one held accountable and you find it shocking and seditious for the right to protest and expecting nothing to be done about it. On Jan 6th when the "right" looted and burned the Cap bldg to the ground....oops that didnt happen did it. They did take selfies and the Speakers podium and gave it back. I think they left some post it notes.... The left has a much more violent fringe because they are not condemned. All law breaking should be dealt with harshly and knowing your VPOTUS has contributed money to bail you out does not resonate well. Having your media say to your goons....."who says protest should be peaceful?" Well when the right does it...reap meet sow.
ALL law breakers should pay. When it is just one side paying the price there will never be unity.
The BLM riots were violent as hell as was the Capitol riot. Don't try to sugar coat it....That destroys any argument you are trying to support.
Five people, including a cop died in that riot. They were chanting "hang Mike Pence", they beat a cop over the head with U.S. flag, planted pipe bombs, busted out windows, smashed thru doors, stold computers, sprayed pepper spray, brought bats/spears with them, and built a hangman's platform outside.
If they had been able to access Pelosi, AOC, etc. there is no telling what might have happened.
Let's start with facts and reality or there can't be any serious political discussion about anything.
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I agree that the economy was humming along before the virus hit. If Trump had just stepped one foot into reality, promoted masks, quit hosting super spreader events, admitted it was an issue that was potentially serious, and taken it seriously....he would still be President today.
His constant conspiracy theory tweeting, denial of facts, lying, and blowing off the science killed him with college educated suburban swing voters. That's where he won last time and where he lost this time.
If he would have just gone to a bunker like Joe, let the scientists do their jobs and STFU....he would have won going away.
Trump was his own worst enemy.
I don't want them to lose but I have lost my passion for Ky since they took the knee and I use to be the biggest UK fan in the world.
You don't get it because you refuse to look at anything from anyone else's point of view. You believe and spout lies.
I agree with much of that. He is not a politician. He picked fights on Twitter that were unnecessary. He also should have tried to unite us and showed more sympathy. He is not a politician so he doesn't PRETEND well like the left....and Joe just hid so he didnt have to do anyrhing but play 4 corners defense and hide his diminished mental state.
Honesty helps. 1 shot by police. The rest from heart attacks....maybe on other female was trampled by the crowd.
" There's no telling what might have happened" is projection. I believe NOTHING would have. Of course we now see AOSmolette was .3 miles away fantasizing in a building not under siege.
What we know is that NOTHING like burning and lootimg in the ANTIFABLM riots. There are coutless video of the cops opening tje doors and ushering them in. It is very reasonable to assume that citizens ushered into a public building could do so. Then they exited walking between the rope lines. Seriously? Look at Portland. Breaking windows, no, arrest them. Your video says that once inside "they marched loudly through the Capital bldg halls." Marched loudly? If we learned anything over the last 9 mo or so....it looked like mostly peaceful protest to me.
And like it or not the jury is out on who all was inbedded with the crowd. Certainly Qrackpots. You sound a bit like Gov. Andy....oooh the peasants hanged me in effigy. That is violence. BS. Jail those who broke laws. Is the VP still posting bail money?
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Someone needs to grab Cal's head and make him look up at the ceiling of Rupp Arena and ask, do you see banners saying who our first round NBA Draft picks are? Our retired jersey banners, do any of them mention if they were in the NBA/ABA or for how long? NO!! See those giant blue banners? THAT'S what UK is all about. See those three jerseys in honor of Rupp/Hall/Pitino? Tubby Smith will get one way sooner than you will! At least Tubby most definitely put KENTUCKY first and served us with nothing less than honor, class, and distinction.
To paraphrase that one guy from ~2000 years ago, I am not at all concerned about the little specks in those other guys' eyes when we got a giant oak stake in ours!!
Sounds like what we need in our next coach is a fiery populist who will Make Kentucky Great Again!
Lol. Yes, and also the unprecedented unholy alliance between the DNC, media, corporations, and protest groups to suppress information, enable critical ballot box stuffing in key states, and illegally change or circumvent voting laws. As outlined by noted right wing rag Time Magazine.
But yes, it was his fault.
Nope. BLM/Antifa were far more violent.
Burned buildings
Destroyed property
Lives Lost
People intimidated at their home and resturants
It's not even a close comparison.
And all the while dimocrat politicians were cheering them on to do more.
The BLM rioters were angry because someone in their community was unarmed, shot or strangled to death by a police officer.
The rioters at the Capitol were angry because their candidate in a democracy lost a free and fair election.
Yeah, you are right...not even a close comparison.
Wrong. so wrong.
Ferguson was predicated upon a false narrative. The "Gentle Giant" never said hands up, don't shoot....he had robbed a store and then attacked a police officer.
The whole blm thing was started based on a sham.
Unholy alliance=Conspiracy theories.....Zero facts.....No legal proof. Just stop with the QAnonsense. Fox and Newsmax have stopped repeating the lies because they know it will cost them $$$$$ and won't stand judicial scrutiny.
You have been lied to my friend, but still don't realize it. Just because you see it on a meme, on Facebook or on Twitter doesn't mean it is true. Until there is verifiable proof shown in a court of law....it is FAKE NEWS.
You left one of the murdered people off your list....Honesty does help.
The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election
For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions
time.com
By no means am I defending the BS going down in Portland. If I was mayor of that city and governor of that state....I would have called in the National Guard and arrested those idiots months ago.
I'm also not going to defend or justify what went down at the Capitol either.
Both situations are garbage. It was also garbage for the President of the U.S. to incite a mob to march on our Capitol to protest his election loss. Fired them up for months....told them to take back their country....told them Mike Pence should do his job.....Told them he was going to march with them to the Capitol....then he slithered his con man *** right back to the safety of the Whitehouse. It was irresponsible and dangerous at best....treasonous at worst.
Maxine Waters has also spoken inciteful words to a crowd of her supporters.
I don't defend or condone any of it.
Man that's a gross mischaracterization . Just gross. The BLM rioters were usually not from the communities they destroyed . They were looting because they are bad people and didn't give a **** about Floyd or Taylor.
the rioters at there capitol were a hodge podge of whack jobs .. not the R party .
Did you actually read that article?? I don't think it has the meaning that you think. That article is saying that labor, business and many in the political world did everything they could to come together to show that the election was free and fair. Groups who don't normally collude on anything came together out of the common fear that Donald Trump was going to create such chaos and promote so many conspiracy theories (which he did) that the election outcome would be a chaotic mess. They all came together to promote a movement away from a lying autocrat to a more stable political system again.The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election
For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions
Big business doesn't like chaos, disorder and political turmoil. It is bad for the country and bad for business.
I think you read the word "conspiracy against Trump" in the article and just assumed it was a positive spin on Trump.
It wasn't. In fact it was the opposite.
You do realize the hypocrisy in your take on all this don't you? Maybe not. Here is what you are saying....
"None of the rioters in D.C. are really part of the Republican Party. Yeah, they destroyed property and killed people. Where they all from D.C.?? No....they came from other places than D.C. but they are just whack jobs.
That's way different than the BLM rioters who destroyed property and killed people because none of them are really a part of BLM and they came from other places than the cities they are protesting in. They are way worse than the whack job cop killers in D.C.
"Mr. far right Republican".
well that's not what at all what I said .. good day to you . Where did you get NONE of the rioters in DC were part of the R party ? I didnt say that , I said they don't represent the R party at all. If you think billions of dollars of damage and many deaths and the intimidation from BLM is equal to the capitol debacle I don't know what to tell ya . There were riots across the country for 8-10 months versus 1 day at the capitol .. ok .
Your words...not mine. "the rioters at there capitol were a hodge podge of whack jobs .. not the R party ."
What I find interesting about your take on the riots is that you are looking at dollar damage and number of days they took place counting that as the ultimate indicator of the severity/impact of a riot. You are ok with a coup and loss of our democracy but not with $$$$ losses to a FootLocker?
Basically you are more concerned with $$$$ costs to buildings and businesses in some cities than an attempt to overthrow our democracy and place the loser of a Presidential election in power who lost in a free and fair election.
I'm not condoning the BLM riots by any means.... but you are missing the big picture big time buddy.
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First, we're not a democracy....the US is a Republic.
You do realize the dims have challenged every race I believe since 2000 and have claimed they were stolen when they lost.
AND, we have many dims who were cheering and encouraging blm/antifa to continue doing what they're doing...including the current vp.
Portland is just but one of the cities where blm/antifa have been protesting......just one.
Show me where Trump said storm the capital in his speech......show me.
How many Dem Presidential candidates refused to concede the election? How many times was the Capitol stormed by democrats seeking to kill Capitol police, hang the VP and kill the Speaker of the House? How many times did the Dem Presidential candidate give a speech claiming to have had the election stolen from them a couple of blocks away from the Capitol on the day the election results were being certified by Congress????
The "Yeah but...." mentality of the far right needs to at least make sure the "Yeah but...." is not a comparison between a mountain and mole hill.
I hear ya buddy. I do try to make my points and do try to be respectful and not get personal. I actually enjoy our debates and wish more posters would keep it more civil even if we don't agree.
Im pretty sure we are both thinking " man I sure don't get where that is coming from " lol
That's like asking for the the Godfather to admit to telling his henchmen to shoot someone. That's never how it goes down. "Take him for a swim in the river".
"What I really meant was I thought he liked to swim officer...he must have drowned accidentally."
Trump spent months saying the election was rigged....months saying the Dems will steal the election....all prior to the election. Then he spent two months after the election saying the ballot machines were rigged, the election was stolen, he got more votes and he will never concede.
Then he made a speech right down the street from the Capitol building on the day of election certification where Rudy G. told the crowd..."Trial by combat" and Trump said "You will never take back our country with weakness....you have to be strong".
Those people truly believed they were trying to save our democracy from being stolen. It was all a big lie.
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My brother holds a pretty elite elected government/Law enforcement position in the Republican Party in Kentucky. He and I are blood, but we go at it often. The funny thing is....we actually agree on about 90 percent of things. And can usually find compromise on most of the other 10 percent. Maybe 2 percent of things we just can't seem to ever get there and have to just agree to disagree. When that happens, I always just tell him that I win because I'm mom's favorite and we just laugh it off.