Just a thought??

rob_47

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Could it be possible that Coach Cal sees a lot of what we see as far as lineup combinations such as Ugo getting more of Collins and Wares minutes and some other lineup combinations that others agree with even cutting back Wheelers minutes to 20 or so a game while Wallace sees more time at point alongside Reeves and Frederick?

Here's my question. Could it be the case that Cal knows these things as well and knows there will be a significant improvement with some changes to the lineup so he is playing it all out in a way to avoid hitting a mid season type of wall that we seen happen last year where we peaked to early and started to regress?

Could he be looking out for himself and seeing the big picture as to make it appear like the team improves as the season goes along by playing the guys who are more deserving of minutes and by doing so we see positive results on the court?

This may sound a bit silly or conspiratorial but it's just something I wonder about and would actually bring me solace when I try to pin down just what Cal is thinking in terms of the lineup at times. I feel like most of the posters on the board see the same things and it makes me wonder why Coach doesn't see those things.

I'm not saying Wheeler doesn't bring something that is really beneficial to the team because he does but it's in an odd way. He doesn't bring offensive cohesion but more of random chaotic energy that can sometimes result in a bucket. Feel free to bash away if you disagree but just wanting to see what others thoughts are on the idea mentioned above.
 

Wunky

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It isn’t rocket science. Play the best players, and play them together. Shouldn’t take half the season to figure it out when the fans knew after the Bahamas.

Livingston is being misused, and Thiero’s total lack of PT is just criminal.
 

rob_47

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It isn’t rocket science. Play the best players, and play them together. Shouldn’t take half the season to figure it out when the fans knew after the Bahamas.

Livingston is being misused, and Thiero’s total lack of PT is just criminal.
Yeah Thiero should be playing no doubt about that kid is a player. You can see the game comes naturally to him the way he is always moving out there he doesn't have to think.
 

DaDirtyLeb69

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Could it be possible that Coach Cal sees a lot of what we see as far as lineup combinations such as Ugo getting more of Collins and Wares minutes and some other lineup combinations that others agree with even cutting back Wheelers minutes to 20 or so a game while Wallace sees more time at point alongside Reeves and Frederick?

Here's my question. Could it be the case that Cal knows these things as well and knows there will be a significant improvement with some changes to the lineup so he is playing it all out in a way to avoid hitting a mid season type of wall that we seen happen last year where we peaked to early and started to regress?

Could he be looking out for himself and seeing the big picture as to make it appear like the team improves as the season goes along by playing the guys who are more deserving of minutes and by doing so we see positive results on the court?

This may sound a bit silly or conspiratorial but it's just something I wonder about and would actually bring me solace when I try to pin down just what Cal is thinking in terms of the lineup at times. I feel like most of the posters on the board see the same things and it makes me wonder why Coach doesn't see those things.

I'm not saying Wheeler doesn't bring something that is really beneficial to the team because he does but it's in an odd way. He doesn't bring offensive cohesion but more of random chaotic energy that can sometimes result in a bucket. Feel free to bash away if you disagree but just wanting to see what others thoughts are on the idea mentioned above.
No cal doesn’t see any of this, he has his guys and will play them no matter what, wheller will always get minutes, ugo & and Thiero deserve more minutes but won’t consistently get them
 
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JLoad22

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The hottest team at the end of the season wins every sport 8 times out of ten. It’s so random that people are foolish to worry all season about it. I get why they do it it for seeding purposes, home field or court advantage, etc. But there are so many variables that it’s a fools errand to do anything but watch and hope for the best and understand that it’s almost never gonna play out how you hope it will.
 
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Panthur

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Peaking is about adding extra wrinkles on top of what you’re already doing right. Not using players wrong and having them botch basic basketball principles until the magic date on the calendar.

Last year we burned out after mid season because we were so injured and burned out physically. In some cases extra burned out by already being injured and having to cover for key players who were even more injured. Most of that was on our old S&C coach. We shouldn’t have that problem this year. It’s okay to play real basketball even in December.
 

revcort

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It may be that Cal has plans to gradually increase Wallace's minutes at point while decreasing Wheeler's minutes. It will depend on how the team progresses and how Wallace progresses as well. And it may depend on the opponent and also how Wheeler is playing.

I will say this for Wheeler, though he is erratic at times and frustrating at times, he is currently #9 among all players in the nation in assist rate. And to some this means nothing. He apparently does make plays that some can't see, but always make it to the stat sheet. Or maybe KenPom is conspiring against UK fans and Wheeler is paying the statisticians to give him assists he doesn't actually make. I'm sure it's a grand conspiracy against the UK fans who hate his game so much.
 

Panthur

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*In fact, a good bit of peaking is about being able to scale back practices down the stretch towards the end of the season so you can have fresher legs than most teams. If you’ve only just started using the right players together in that time period and only just started having them do the right things then you’re going to need extra practices down the stretch and you’re going to have the opposite of fresh legs. You’re going to be doing the opposite of peaking. Since Cal really does that (although I don’t think it’s purposefully as you suggest), he really is responsible in part for us doing the opposite of peaking in some senses. That’s why I only said “most of” the physical burnout was on our old S&C guy.
 

BlueThunderstruck

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It may be that Cal has plans to gradually increase Wallace's minutes at point while decreasing Wheeler's minutes. It will depend on how the team progresses and how Wallace progresses as well. And it may depend on the opponent and also how Wheeler is playing.

I will say this for Wheeler, though he is erratic at times and frustrating at times, he is currently #9 among all players in the nation in assist rate. And to some this means nothing. He apparently does make plays that some can't see, but always make it to the stat sheet. Or maybe KenPom is conspiring against UK fans and Wheeler is paying the statisticians to give him assists he doesn't actually make. I'm sure it's a grand conspiracy against the UK fans who hate his game so much.
For someone that says he wants more unity on this board, you sure have been snarky with other posters lately. The tone of your posts has drastically changed.
 
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Popquiz81

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Some of my best thoughts come when I’m taking my first **** of the morning.

Doesn’t mean I have to post them OP.
 

rob_47

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Some of my best thoughts come when I’m taking my first **** of the morning.

Doesn’t mean I have to post them OP.
Doesn't mean you don't have to either does it? Nothing wrong with trying to understand what others are thinking (in this case Cal) and attempting to glean what his throught process could be. There is nothing wrong with it whether I am 100% wrong are right on target it makes no difference.
 

rob_47

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For someone that says he wants more unity on this board, you sure have been snarky with other posters lately. The tone of your posts has drastically changed.
It's alright man I didn't take what he said as ultra smarky or anything his opinion has been consistent and I appreciate it. Some of his points about Wheeler are true and he backs them with stats. This is what truly makes Wheeler such an enigma. I think he is the perfect spark plug off the bench I just think that the offense would be more fluid and nba like if Wallace manned the point with Reeves, Frederick, and Thiero playing the wing positions.
 
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yoshukai

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Could it be possible that Coach Cal sees a lot of what we see as far as lineup combinations such as Ugo getting more of Collins and Wares minutes and some other lineup combinations that others agree with even cutting back Wheelers minutes to 20 or so a game while Wallace sees more time at point alongside Reeves and Frederick?

Here's my question. Could it be the case that Cal knows these things as well and knows there will be a significant improvement with some changes to the lineup so he is playing it all out in a way to avoid hitting a mid season type of wall that we seen happen last year where we peaked to early and started to regress?

Could he be looking out for himself and seeing the big picture as to make it appear like the team improves as the season goes along by playing the guys who are more deserving of minutes and by doing so we see positive results on the court?

This may sound a bit silly or conspiratorial but it's just something I wonder about and would actually bring me solace when I try to pin down just what Cal is thinking in terms of the lineup at times. I feel like most of the posters on the board see the same things and it makes me wonder why Coach doesn't see those things.

I'm not saying Wheeler doesn't bring something that is really beneficial to the team because he does but it's in an odd way. He doesn't bring offensive cohesion but more of random chaotic energy that can sometimes result in a bucket. Feel free to bash away if you disagree but just wanting to see what others thoughts are on the idea mentioned above.
Last year we started to “regress” when he brought in a lottery pick and it became apparent it was all a ruse . That was a major distraction , then injuries down the stretch was the final blow .
 

BlueThunderstruck

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It's alright man I didn't take what he said as ultra smarky or anything his opinion has been consistent and I appreciate it. Some of his points about Wheeler are true and he backs them with stats. This is what truly makes Wheeler such an enigma. I think he is the perfect spark plug off the bench I just think that the offense would be more fluid and nba like if Wallace manned the point with Reeves, Frederick, and Thiero playing the wing positions.
It was the “grand conspiracy” comment that I was mainly referring to. He’s posted similar stuff in regards to Cal. I’m pretty much neutral when it comes to Cal and Wheeler. There’s things I like about both and things I dislike about both, all from purely a basketball standpoint. I’ll post positively about both when warranted and criticize both when I think it’s warranted.
 
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Dead Cat Bounce

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Coaching for March doesn’t have to mean losing winnable games in November and December. And coaching for March doesn’t do you any good if you don’t then play very competitively in March.

I honestly don’t care who Cal starts, who he brings off the bench and when, what sort of plays he does or doesn’t call. I just don’t want UK to lose games it shouldn’t.
 

Whatsup

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Could it be possible that Coach Cal sees a lot of what we see as far as lineup combinations such as Ugo getting more of Collins and Wares minutes and some other lineup combinations that others agree with even cutting back Wheelers minutes to 20 or so a game while Wallace sees more time at point alongside Reeves and Frederick?

Here's my question. Could it be the case that Cal knows these things as well and knows there will be a significant improvement with some changes to the lineup so he is playing it all out in a way to avoid hitting a mid season type of wall that we seen happen last year where we peaked to early and started to regress?

Could he be looking out for himself and seeing the big picture as to make it appear like the team improves as the season goes along by playing the guys who are more deserving of minutes and by doing so we see positive results on the court?

This may sound a bit silly or conspiratorial but it's just something I wonder about and would actually bring me solace when I try to pin down just what Cal is thinking in terms of the lineup at times. I feel like most of the posters on the board see the same things and it makes me wonder why Coach doesn't see those things.

I'm not saying Wheeler doesn't bring something that is really beneficial to the team because he does but it's in an odd way. He doesn't bring offensive cohesion but more of random chaotic energy that can sometimes result in a bucket. Feel free to bash away if you disagree but just wanting to see what others thoughts are on the idea mentioned above.
Damn, you have so many words in your thought. A thought is usually short and to the point. It appears you had numerous thoughts come from whatever your initial thought was when you had the initial thought. It appears you had a lot of thoughts that come from whatever your initial thought was at the time of you first initial thought. Think about it before you have another thought.
 

Ash Williams

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Could it be possible that Coach Cal sees a lot of what we see as far as lineup combinations such as Ugo getting more of Collins and Wares minutes and some other lineup combinations that others agree with even cutting back Wheelers minutes to 20 or so a game while Wallace sees more time at point alongside Reeves and Frederick?

Here's my question. Could it be the case that Cal knows these things as well and knows there will be a significant improvement with some changes to the lineup so he is playing it all out in a way to avoid hitting a mid season type of wall that we seen happen last year where we peaked to early and started to regress?

Could he be looking out for himself and seeing the big picture as to make it appear like the team improves as the season goes along by playing the guys who are more deserving of minutes and by doing so we see positive results on the court?

This may sound a bit silly or conspiratorial but it's just something I wonder about and would actually bring me solace when I try to pin down just what Cal is thinking in terms of the lineup at times. I feel like most of the posters on the board see the same things and it makes me wonder why Coach doesn't see those things.

I'm not saying Wheeler doesn't bring something that is really beneficial to the team because he does but it's in an odd way. He doesn't bring offensive cohesion but more of random chaotic energy that can sometimes result in a bucket. Feel free to bash away if you disagree but just wanting to see what others thoughts are on the idea mentioned above.
Some of you give Cal so much benefit of the doubt it's almost criminal.

Think Occam's Razor here. You're giving him way too much credit. He actually DOESN'T know what he's doing. If he did, you really think Wheeler would be playing 34 minutes and Thiero zero?
 
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rob_47

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Damn, you have so many words in your thought. A thought is usually short and to the point. It appears you had numerous thoughts come from whatever your initial thought was when you had the initial thought. It appears you had a lot of thoughts that come from whatever your initial thought was at the time of you first initial thought. Think about it before you have another thought.
Oh wow really funny..it appears you had the thought to try to pin down what constitutes a thought and in doing so have given me the thought that you don't know how to have an original thought. How about you go think about that for a few before you make yourself look like even more of a clown with nothing else to do then try to bring others down.

While we are at it do you have a citation for your claim that a thought is usually short and to the point? In your own words you said thats usually what a thought is. (not that I can even agree with that stance) So can you define the word usually and maybe go learn how you yourself debunked the whole point you were trying to make.

Think about how ridiculous it is to try and poke fun at someone for such a matter as this and try to claim that you can define how many words makes a thought a singular thought. For all you know everything I wrote down could have been in my mind one thought. So are going to now chastise me for not thinking like you Mr Thought Gestapo?
 

tls

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Could it be possible that Coach Cal sees a lot of what we see as far as lineup combinations such as Ugo getting more of Collins and Wares minutes and some other lineup combinations that others agree with even cutting back Wheelers minutes to 20 or so a game while Wallace sees more time at point alongside Reeves and Frederick?

Here's my question. Could it be the case that Cal knows these things as well and knows there will be a significant improvement with some changes to the lineup so he is playing it all out in a way to avoid hitting a mid season type of wall that we seen happen last year where we peaked to early and started to regress?

Could he be looking out for himself and seeing the big picture as to make it appear like the team improves as the season goes along by playing the guys who are more deserving of minutes and by doing so we see positive results on the court?

This may sound a bit silly or conspiratorial but it's just something I wonder about and would actually bring me solace when I try to pin down just what Cal is thinking in terms of the lineup at times. I feel like most of the posters on the board see the same things and it makes me wonder why Coach doesn't see those things.

I'm not saying Wheeler doesn't bring something that is really beneficial to the team because he does but it's in an odd way. He doesn't bring offensive cohesion but more of random chaotic energy that can sometimes result in a bucket. Feel free to bash away if you disagree but just wanting to see what others thoughts are on the idea mentioned above.
The idea that Cal has some master plan is laughable
 

rob_47

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The idea that Cal has some master plan is laughable
I'm sure he has a plan in his own mind. Whatever that plan is or if it's good or bad is the subjective part but he's not an automaton operating a pre set program I think that much we can agree on.
 

rob_47

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Some of you give Cal so much benefit of the doubt it's almost criminal.

Think Occam's Razor here. You're giving him way too much credit. He actually DOESN'T know what he's doing. If he did, you really think Wheeler would be playing 34 minutes and Thiero zero?
Can you show me where I gave him credit or even stated a position on whether I thought it was a good or bad idea?
 

EliteBlue

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The hottest team at the end of the season wins every sport 8 times out of ten. It’s so random that people are foolish to worry all season about it. I get why they do it it for seeding purposes, home field or court advantage, etc. But there are so many variables that it’s a fools errand to do anything but watch and hope for the best and understand that it’s almost never gonna play out how you hope it will.
9 out of 10…the best team at the end of the season was also one of the best early in the season…very rarely do you get a 2011/2014 UConn that wins it all out of nowhere.

This “trying to peak at the right time” is fallacy…the greatest teams are dominant from start to finish. Really good early in the season..maybe drop a handful of games and correct a few things/chemistry/focus improves when it means more.
 
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Aike

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Coaching for March doesn’t have to mean losing winnable games in November and December. And coaching for March doesn’t do you any good if you don’t then play very competitively in March.

I honestly don’t care who Cal starts, who he brings off the bench and when, what sort of plays he does or doesn’t call. I just don’t want UK to lose games it shouldn’t.
18 - blow a very winnable Sweet 16 game to KSU.

19 - lose to a team in the Elite 8 who we handled during the season.

20 - PG meltdown right before the plug was pulled on the season.

21 - All -Time train wreck

22 - lose to a 15 seed

With something like a 1700 day stretch as evidence, is it any wonder than some of us no longer trust that Cal is getting things figured out with all his tinkering in November/December?

Whatever goodwill he built up has been burned. I won’t blindly trust that he knows what he’s doing. Truth hurts sometimes.
 
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Chitown Terry

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Some of you give Cal so much benefit of the doubt it's almost criminal.

Think Occam's Razor here. You're giving him way too much credit. He actually DOESN'T know what he's doing. If he did, you really think Wheeler would be playing 34 minutes and Thiero zero?
Wheeler plays so much because he's the best playmaker on the team despite his recklessness. I like Thiero but you and others act like he's a superstar or something. Cal made it clear from the beginning of the season that he is a project. This was a very competitive game. Projeccts don't get a lot of playing time in games like that.
 

Backer cutter

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He’s getting his guys to the league. I typed it as slowly as I could. What, 13 years? Y’all can’t be this dense. He told us all, acceptance speech, I give up.