Just a quick comparison

[Bulldogg31]

First five games last year, two blowout wins over nobodies, then the home win over LSU, possibly the best win in the Mullen era.

Then weeks 4 and 5 were absolute disasters.

Week 4: September 23 2017

31-3 loss at Georgia (3-0) where Fitz threw for a total of 83 yards and ran for 47. Nick Gibson led the team in rushing with 52 yards. Offense gained about 250 total yards. Defense gave up 450.

Week 5. September 30 2017

49-10 loss to Auburn (3-1). Fitz throws for 150, runs for 56. Aeris Williams runs for 49 yards. Defense gives up 49
points and over 450 yards. We got robbed on a big play early that could have possible made a difference.


I know Georgia and Auburn should be considered better competition than KY and Fla, and both were on the road, but we absolutely got our asses handed to us and Mullen’s offense was horrific. We were completely outclassed.


After Week 5, GA and Auburn were 9-1, same as Kentucky and Florida. We scored 13 points in two weeks of SEC play. We had about 500 total yards of offense in 2 games.

I’m not saying it’s the same thing, but all may not be as lost as we thought. We lost 2 games to what should be lesser competition than Auburn and Georgia, but we haven’t looked outclassed . We could have won both games.


We recovered last year to have a good season, maybe we can do the same this year.

 

[MSUDC11]

One big difference: after the Auburn game last year, we played one ranked team the rest of the year (Alabama).

This year, there are three Top 10 teams on our schedule that we still haven’t played. And also two other very loseable conference games against A&M and Ole Miss.

 

[8dog]

Mullen is not the greatest coach in the world but kentucky and florida are not gonna play for a spot in the playoff at the end of the year. Auburn and georgia did. And both those games were on the road so that comparison is not even close. Additionally we have a ton of guys with an entire 2017 under their belt

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

One big difference: after the Auburn game last year, we played one ranked team the rest of the year (Alabama).

This year, there are three Top 10 teams on our schedule that we still haven’t played. And also two other very loseable conference games against A&M and Ole Miss.

And that’s why bringing up Moorhead’s past records to start seasons means nothing as well.

We are just entering the grind of SEC and are already down 0-2.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Mullen is not the greatest coach in the world but kentucky and florida are not gonna play for a spot in the playoff at the end of the year. Auburn and georgia did. And both those games were on the road so that comparison is not even close. Additionally we have a ton of guys with an entire 2017 under their belt

We don’t know that those comparisons aren’t close. We don’t think they are because of our opinions of those two programs but take a look:

Kentucky’s remaining schedule:

@TAMU
Vandy
@Mizzou
Georgia
@Tennessee
MTSU
@Louisville

Georgia should be a loss, but they honestly can will all those other games. Even a loss at TAMU and you’re talking about a 10-2 team, same record as Auburn last year.

Florida’s remaining schedule:

LSU
@Vandy
@Georgia
Mizzou
SCarolina
Idaho
@FSU

If they can beat LSU at home this weekend they’re looking at 10-2 as well. 9-3 if they lose to Orgeron, 8-4 if a Mizzou or S Carolina jumps up and beats them, though that’s unlikely at home.

Granted, it’s still not the same as getting blown out by Auburn and Ga last year on the road, but it’s not as far off as it would seem. We lost two close games to two teams with a shot at 9 or 10 wins each, and with better playcalling and execution we’d have beaten them both.

 

[Beerbully]

I hope you're right...I'm afraid that if we lose the Auburn game, the bye week will do this team more harm than good. We don't need to go to Baton Rouge with a goose egg in the SEC.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

We don’t know that those comparisons aren’t close. We don’t think they are because of our opinions of those two programs but take a look:

Kentucky’s remaining schedule:

@TAMU
Vandy
@Mizzou
Georgia
@Tennessee
MTSU
@Louisville

Georgia should be a loss, but they honestly can will all those other games. Even a loss at TAMU and you’re talking about a 10-2 team, same record as Auburn last year.

Florida’s remaining schedule:

LSU
@Vandy
@Georgia
Mizzou
SCarolina
Idaho
@FSU

If they can beat LSU at home this weekend they’re looking at 10-2 as well. 9-3 if they lose to Orgeron, 8-4 if a Mizzou or S Carolina jumps up and beats them, though that’s unlikely at home.

Granted, it’s still not the same as getting blown out by Auburn and Ga last year on the road, but it’s not as far off as it would seem. We lost two close games to two teams with a shot at 9 or 10 wins each, and with better playcalling and execution we’d have beaten them both.

Their records don’t matter. I’m pretty sure we have more talent than both of them and I’m 100% certain we should’ve beaten them both. I won’t feel any better about losing to inferior teams just because they happen to have a decent record.

 

[patdog]

BIG difference. Both Georgia and Auburn were top 10 teams. Kentucky and Florida, not so much.

 

[WutheringDawg]

Not sure why you think we have more talent than Florida. The 15 class was the only one where we ranked higher than the gators and we were one to two spots ahead of Kentucky except in 14 when we brought in one of the worst classes in the league. I’d say Florida has better talent and Kentucky is probably close but a little worse.

 

[Bulldogg31]

BIG difference. Both Georgia and Auburn were top 10 teams. Kentucky and Florida, not so much.

Yet. And we also didnt get our doors blown off by either.

 

[patdog]

Yet.

Check back at season end. They're both solid teams, but nowhere near top 10.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Check back at season end. They're both solid teams, but nowhere near top 10.

I’d agree with that, but my only point is this isn’t a South Alabama loss. Or Maine, or even Kentucky two years ago.

Both teams we lost to are solid teams that will finish with records we’d be proud of most years and we should have beaten both. If our players execute better in both games we are 5-0.

Our coaches need to improve and our players need to improve, but the house is not burning down like folks are acting.

 

[patdog]

It's not the fact we lost to both of these teams. They're both good teams. It's the WAY we lost to them both. Our offense has been completely inept for 8 quarters now and 2 of our 3 best players (really our best 2 right now) have been ignored. We have made 0 adjustments and have less than 100 yards of offense in the 2nd half in both games. That's a problem. A BIG problem.

 

[Bulldogg31]

It's not the fact we lost to both of these teams. They're both good teams. It's the WAY we lost to them both. Our offense has been completely inept for 8 quarters now and 2 of our 3 best players (really our best 2 right now) have been ignored. We have made 0 adjustments and have less than 100 yards of offense in the 2nd half in both games. That's a problem. A BIG problem.

I completely agree. Let’s hope it changes.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

I fear transfers at seasons end if Moorhead tanks this season while refusing to run those two talented running backs and playing a former 2 star QB who struggles with the pass while a high 3 star and a 4 star QB “wait their turn”.

As much as this team loses as seniors, losing players to transfer could devastate this program. He has to start winning THIS week. He has to pull upsets in at least two of our last 7 and win the three he should win. There is no room for error with this team. A couple of blow out losses and they will turn tail and quit.

 

[AustinDawg]

less than 60 yds per half ?

I’m not saying it’s the same thing, but all may not be as lost as we thought. We lost 2 games to what should be lesser competition than Auburn and Georgia, but we haven’t looked outclassed . We could have won both games.


We recovered last year to have a good season, maybe we can do the same this year.

Have you watched us play this year?
How would you rate the 2nd half offensive performance in both games?

I may be off but we had less than 60yds in offense the 2nd half against Florida. If you think that's fine, that's your choice, but don't try to tell the rest of us that this crap doesn't stink on offense.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Have you watched us play this year?
How would you rate the 2nd half offensive performance in both games?

I may be off but we had less than 60yds in offense the 2nd half against Florida. If you think that's fine, that's your choice, but don't try to tell the rest of us that this crap doesn't stink on offense.

Who told you it doesn’t stink? It 17ng sucks. I’m sure Moorhead and Fitz and the team agree as well.

My point is that we remember Mullen as this offensive genius yet in weeks 4 and 5 last year we scored the same 13 points and put up basically the same yardage as we did this year.

They both 17ng suck, but that’s not cause for firing a guy that’s been here 10 months. He didn’t drop the pass in the 3Q. He didn’t drop a pick 6. He didn’t miss 6 or 8 wise receivers standing wide open in the 3Q and 4Q.

He’s got to do a better job getting them ready and putting them in position to make plays, but the players have got to make plays. Same as last year.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Do you work on staff at MSU in football? I’m just curious because you have gone she ve and beyond to defend this staff and the ****** job Moorhead has done. All the comparisons that don’t really compare. All the watch his system and how it works posts. Sometimes you have to call a square a square by the evidence given. Florida and Kentucky aren’t great teams. We should have handily beat both had we played the system these boys know best and had a coach willing to adjust to his personnel. It’s by defenders talent alone that Kentucky and Florida didn’t blow us out. Moorhead has shown nothing but regression on the field with a squad that returned a crap ton of starters that had a great season. It will only get worse his year and probably will take him years to build what he wants here if ever. That sends us back to the dark ages when we can’t afford to. You can pump sunshine all you want but I know crap football when I see it.

 

[AustinDawg]

Now compare the Kty from this year and last year

Who told you it doesn’t stink? It 17ng sucks. I’m sure Moorhead and Fitz and the team agree as well.

My point is that we remember Mullen as this offensive genius yet in weeks 4 and 5 last year we scored the same 13 points and put up basically the same yardage as we did this year.

To make sure I understand your argument.
You are comparing us @uga (top 10) last year vs us @home vs florida (unranked) where we returned most of our offensive talent from last year.

How did we do vs Kentucky offensively last year vs this year?

Please point to any offensive adjustment Moorehead has made in the last 2 SEC games.
Screens? Draws? help for a tackle? running AT the rush end?

Or, is he lazy and stupid and calls "go long" plays while we give up sacks, lose yardage and don't get our RBs involved?

 

[DAWG61]

Check back at season end. They're both solid teams, but nowhere near top 10.

Kentucky has a top 10 defense and an NFL RB. They might just be a top 10 team.

 

[thatsbaseball]

The fact of the matter is Moorhead is a rookie HC (I don't count Fordham) and nothing but time will tell us if he's going to be successful long term. Right now he's making a ton of mistakes because he dosen't know what he's doing. He does not have as strong a pedigree as some and is going to have to learn on the run IF he's going to be successful. Color me completely unimpressed up to now but this is going to take some time to play out. AND for the record If I was Keenum, Cohen would have made his last major hire for MSU.