Just a caution about medical marijuana

[tribaldawg]

Weed never helps one take action. If I have to be honest, that's a good thing for the majority of this country. If we handed out joints to Antifa, the riots would be over pretty quickly. Legal weed, available in a similar fashion to cigarettes in every corner would, no doubt, would help the violence problem in this country.

Because the Antifa crowd surely doesn't use weed.*** Antifa is at its strongest in Portland and Oregon has some of the most liberal weed laws in the country. I would also guess that there is not a weed shortage in Chicago. We just may need a different approach to stopping the violence problem in the US than handing out joints. BTW, I'm not anti weed but you have made quite a stretch in your comment.

 

[maroonmadman]

World will be a much calmer place when that happens.

As long as we don't run out of doritos...

 

[PineGroveBully]

I need to try this

 

[ZombieKissinger]

I'm generally in favor of medical marijuana - some good evidence supporting its use. Marijuana does have the highest conversion rate to a psychotic disorder of any major drug out there, followed by meth. I'm not talking the acute, rip-your-face-off psychosis of something you could see with meth or synthetics but more of a insidious, prodromal disorder. People who have underlying risk factors for schizophrenia shouldn't use it, especially before 25. Schizophrenia is present in 1% of the population, and it's bad. It gets misdiagnosed a lot (as does bipolar), but when you actually have schizophrenia, you almost never function like you could have without it. Some people can work, but usually in worse jobs, and a lot of people end up on disability. A lot of the danger in the street product is with the THC, which isn't going to be as big of an issue w/ medical marijuana. So... I'm in favor of the medical use, but I think that should be matched with a message -- especially to teenagers -- that using the stuff off the street isn't safe due to the risk of schizophrenia.

Edit:
There are people who have what was described above and get set off with cannabis. It's rare, and there are underlying comorbidities almost universally, but there are people who have pretty normal function then get set off w/ cannabis use -- they're usually in the "prodromal" phase, though, prior to decompensating.

 

[00Dawg]

I'm going to keep an eye on automobile statistics.

I have a friend in Oregon who was surprised when his car insurance went up 10% a while back. The agent told him it was due an increase in car accidents since marijuana was legalized.

One number seems to really back it up: auto fatalities in Oregon increased 25% from the 2014 to 2015 (when the measure was passed), and have not dropped back down through 2018 (latest year available).

 

[L4Dawg]

Is big pharma in charge in DC?

No, that means there are legitimate , heavily documented and controlled , reasons to prescribe those drugs. There is no such real medical evidence for MJ. The new law certainly has no such controls . I
know that will be blasted but is the truth.

 

[CreekFishin]

Are you a pharma sales rep, or are just way more uninformed than you say?

No, that means there are legitimate , heavily documented and controlled , reasons to prescribe those drugs. There is no such real medical evidence for MJ. The new law certainly has no such controls . I
know that will be blasted but is the truth.

If you knew what you're talking about you'd know that keeping cannabis on schedule 1 for 50 years prevented legitimate studies. Nothing moved the needle until California told the feds to butt out.

If we had begun legitimate research 30 or 40 years ago who knows what might have been.

This century pharma involved ODs are an epidemic. What is it compared to cannabis, 1 million deaths to zero? I think that's out of control.

 

[L4Dawg]

If you knew what you're talking about you'd know that keeping cannabis on schedule 1 for 50 years prevented legitimate studies. Nothing moved the needle until California told the feds to butt out.

If we had begun legitimate research 30 or 40 years ago who knows what might have been.

This century pharma involved ODs are an epidemic. What is it compared to cannabis, 1 million deaths to zero? I think that's out of control.

Ok, LOL.

 

[Rebeldude]

He liked to have kicked over....

They had a boy that had tried that marijuaner pill.

 

[dorndawg]

Interesting and 100% sensible to study it to see if there's correlation (hard to do when its a schedule 1), but the numbers went up nationally that year as well (albeit 7.5%). As someone who spends a fair amount of time driving, I'd hypothesize texting/social media while driving is a key aspect.

Also, insurance companies LOVE any excuse to raise rates so there's always that.

 

[johnson86-1]

I have a friend in Oregon who was surprised when his car insurance went up 10% a while back. The agent told him it was due an increase in car accidents since marijuana was legalized.

One number seems to really back it up: auto fatalities in Oregon increased 25% from the 2014 to 2015 (when the measure was passed), and have not dropped back down through 2018 (latest year available).

Not saying driving while high isn't a problem, but auto insurance rates have been going up pretty steadily in part because of all the technology being added to the exterior of cars. Agent said it wasn't driven by big claims but by a lot more small claims, which makes sense to me.

I got rear ended pretty good in my last car and there was zero damage. Basically plastic bumper on plastic bumper and miraculously no damage even though it was a pretty good jarring. But I didn't have anything back there except a bumper. No backup camera or sensors. Wife gets pretty lightly bumped by somebody not paying attention and it damages back up sensors and something to do with the camera although not the camera itself and it's $800 of damage.

 

[dawglawz]

Those early legalizers also saw population booms around that time, which would further account for some of that. I don't know how much the rate of accidents increased, but that may be more telling.

 

[patdog]

There's been a study on that. Per the National Institute of Health:

Objectives. To evaluate motor vehicle crash fatality rates in the first 2 states with recreational marijuana legalization and compare them with motor vehicle crash fatality rates in similar states without recreational marijuana legalization.

Methods. We used the US Fatality Analysis Reporting System to determine the annual numbers of motor vehicle crash fatalities between 2009 and 2015 in Washington, Colorado, and 8 control states. We compared year-over-year changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates (per billion vehicle miles traveled) before and after recreational marijuana legalization with a difference-in-differences approach that controlled for underlying time trends and state-specific population, economic, and traffic characteristics.

Results. Pre–recreational marijuana legalization annual changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates for Washington and Colorado were similar to those for the control states. Post–recreational marijuana legalization changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates for Washington and Colorado also did not significantly differ from those for the control states (adjusted difference-in-differences coefficient = +0.2 fatalities/billion vehicle miles traveled; 95% confidence interval = −0.4, +0.9).

Conclusions. Three years after recreational marijuana legalization, changes in motor vehicle crash fatality rates for Washington and Colorado were not statistically different from those in similar states without recreational marijuana legalization. Future studies over a longer time remain warranted.





https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5508149/

 

[SheltonChoked]

No, that means there are legitimate , heavily documented and controlled , reasons to prescribe those drugs. There is no such real medical evidence for MJ. The new law certainly has no such controls . I
know that will be blasted but is the truth.

Except there is...

THC has been a legitimate, heavily documented and controlled, prescribed drug since 1986. and a schedule III drug since 1999.

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-9308/marinol-oral/details
[FONT=&quot]Dronabinol (also called THC) is a man-made form of the active natural substance in [/FONT]marijuana[FONT=&quot] ([/FONT]cannabis[FONT=Source Sans Pro, Verdana, sans-serif]).[/FONT]

[FONT=Source Sans Pro, Verdana, sans-serif]A separate synthetic version of THC was FDA approved in 1985 and 2006
[/FONT]
CBD was approved by the FDA in 2018.

But you know that.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Interesting and 100% sensible to study it to see if there's correlation (hard to do when its a schedule 1), but the numbers went up nationally that year as well (albeit 7.5%). As someone who spends a fair amount of time driving, I'd hypothesize texting/social media while driving is a key aspect.

Also, insurance companies LOVE any excuse to raise rates so there's always that.

I bet you are spot on with with mobile devices being a contributor. Even if someone high was involved in the accident, the chances of the sober person avoiding the accident have to be substantially lower just because of the number of people weaving and generally driving like drunks because they are on the phone.

PSA: If you are looking at your phone while driving, you are menace to society, and NO, you aren't driving OK. Everybody else is just dodging you, or by sheer fate missing a collision as they update their FB too! Penalties for driving distracted, when there is clear proof of someone being on the phone, should be equal to or greater than drunk driving.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Hard to be fatal when you are going 20.***

 

[dorndawg]

I bet you are spot on with with mobile devices being a contributor. Even if someone high was involved in the accident, the chances of the sober person avoiding the accident have to be substantially lower just because of the number of people weaving and generally driving like drunks because they are on the phone.

PSA: If you are looking at your phone while driving, you are menace to society, and NO, you aren't driving OK. Everybody else is just dodging you, or by sheer fate missing a collision as they update their FB too! Penalties for driving distracted, when there is clear proof of someone being on the phone, should be equal to or greater than drunk driving.

I generally agree, although my personal opinion is the penalty for drunk driving has become too high. In fact the punishment for many things is too high. Except for those who steal identities online and/or make scam phone calls - they should be put against a wall and shot.

 

[Hail State]

KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of the Tea-Shades, but his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with ***** from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck.

 

[patdog]

Depends. The penalty for blowing .15 or higher probably isn't too high. But the penalty for blowing .08 damn sure is.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

I have a friend in Oregon who was surprised when his car insurance went up 10% a while back. The agent told him it was due an increase in car accidents since marijuana was legalized.

One number seems to really back it up: auto fatalities in Oregon increased 25% from the 2014 to 2015 (when the measure was passed), and have not dropped back down through 2018 (latest year available).

The people who want to smoke weed are already doing it, and driving. Legalization isn't going to change much, honestly, except tax dollars. Which is why it's so silly to see people against it.

I mean, even the 'gateway drug' argument is dumb. We need to be educating people to make better choices, rather than blaming some substance. The problem is people. Funny, the conservatives loves to yell that guns don't kill people, people do....but then get all up in arms about drugs. And before you libtards try to pile on, you're just as terrible, just the other way around. Drugs are a choice, but shooting someone isn't, etc. EL OH EL.

Dems hate guns because they are killing Dem voters. Repubs hate weed because they lose a little bit more moral control. Let's just be honest here.

 

[Shmuley]

The agent told him it was due an increase in car accidents since marijuana was legalized.

I would not expect the insurer to say something like, "Well, we raised rates because we decided to have our company retreat in the Caymans."

 

[CreekFishin]

I'm pro legalization, but seems like there is some danger of newbie's mixing edibles and driving. Education, warning labels, etc can help curb that.

But I mostly agree. Your existing smokers are used to watching out for the other guy, watching out for cops, and keeping it under the speed limit.

 

[johnson86-1]

Except there is...

THC has been a legitimate, heavily documented and controlled, prescribed drug since 1986. and a schedule III drug since 1999.

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-9308/marinol-oral/details
Dronabinol (also called THC) is a man-made form of the active natural substance in marijuana (cannabis).

A separate synthetic version of THC was FDA approved in 1985 and 2006

CBD was approved by the FDA in 2018.

But you know that.

That THC is ok though because it can be patented and their can be royalties.**

 

[SheltonChoked]

That THC is ok though because it can be patented and their can be royalties.**

Which was CreekFishin's point...

 

[mstateglfr]

No, that means there are legitimate , heavily documented and controlled , reasons to prescribe those drugs. There is no such real medical evidence for MJ. The new law certainly has no such controls . I know that will be blasted but is the truth.

This comment is accurate, but it also holds little meaning. The lack of evidence doesnt mean its bad. Furthermore, a comment like yours should include why there is less evidence for or against weed.

 

[We suck again]

I don’t know one, but they are making me want to find a dealer.

Sup bro

 

[SheltonChoked]

This comment is accurate, but it also holds little meaning. The lack of evidence doesnt mean its bad. Furthermore, a comment like yours should include why there is less evidence for or against weed.

Yeah. Read why Anslinger made Cannabis illegal. And why it was called the marihuana act. What he has to say about Cannibis during Prohibition, and the timeline after of what his motivations were.

Also, read about Anslinger himself.

 

[dudehead]

I would not expect the insurer to say something like, "Well, we raised rates because we decided to have our company retreat in the Caymans."

Ha, only Trump can get away with saying **** like that and he is the master at doing so.

 

[Go Budaw]

Yeah, what that agent told your friend is horse ****. My rates inexplicably went up about 15% last year. No wrecks, no tickets, no new cars, no legal weed in Alabama.

It doesn’t matter what kind of insurance (home, health, auto, life, pet, whatever). It’s all going up, all the damn time, no matter what you do. Facts of life.

 

[johnson86-1]

Yeah, what that agent told your friend is horse ****. My rates inexplicably went up about 15% last year. No wrecks, no tickets, no new cars, no legal weed in Alabama.

It doesn’t matter what kind of insurance (home, health, auto, life, pet, whatever). It’s all going up, all the damn time, no matter what you do. Facts of life.

That's incorrect. At home and work, all property insurance was on a steady drop other than car insurance for probably a 3 or 4 year period. Each year, the brokers told us to enjoy it b/c insurers were chasing business and it was probably going up the next year, and but it went down for a while. Again, with the only exception being automobile, which they said was due to minor fender benders costing a lot more due to things like sensors and cameras.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Sup bro

What you got?