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They need a starting 4 way more than a backup 5. Not sure who they can start there based on the current roster. Hyatt has not shown enough to have confidence and can Mag play that role with how easily he gets banged up? Center is pretty much set with Woolfolk replacing Agee.
Seems.like a lot left.
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I think a lot doeends on what Wolfolk, Aundre and Mag are or aren’t
You have the center spot completely filled by cliff and Dean
The four spot ia the question
1.) You have Aundre at the four…will there be progress ?
2.) the second question is will some of the minutes at the four be filled by mag . Can he get bigger and stronger this off-season to play the four. Can he stay healthy ?
3.) the third question is wolfolk . Can he play a role like Shaq Carter as a not an above the Rim big man that used his size and Strength to match up with the bigger fours and fives when the other guys have foul trouble
If the players on the roster develop…we may really only need a third center for this year for 5 extra fouls when cliff and Dean get into foul trouble
We really do need to get a rim protector in the class of 2023 and 2024 to start developing for when cliff and Dean are no longer here
You have the center spot completely filled by cliff and Dean
The four spot ia the question
1.) You have Aundre at the four…will there be progress ?
2.) the second question is will some of the minutes at the four be filled by mag . Can he get bigger and stronger this off-season to play the four. Can he stay healthy ?
3.) the third question is wolfolk . Can he play a role like Shaq Carter as a not an above the Rim big man that used his size and Strength to match up with the bigger fours and fives when the other guys have foul trouble
If the players on the roster develop…we may really only need a third center for this year for 5 extra fouls when cliff and Dean get into foul trouble
We really do need to get a rim protector in the class of 2023 and 2024 to start developing for when cliff and Dean are no longer here
I don't see a PF in the mix as a need. I am completely sold on Aundre Hyatt at the 4.
RHJ is technically 6'4 in height and played the PF in some/most lineups with a 7'1" wingspan. Hyatt is taller than RHJ and has a game truly built for being a hybrid PF and has the same or better wingspan than RHJ.
That doesn't mean I think Hyatt is as good as RHJ, he is not that type of player. But he can be Eugene Omoyuri and become a better interior player than what we have seen.
At some point, fans keep asking for replacement after replacement, instead of trusting the player development. You also have to factor in how a player functions and plays, when he knows he is going to get 26 to 28 minutes, vs someone who isn't sure if he is going to get consistent minutes off the bench. I am not saying Hyatt was misused or under pressure to perform, but he isn't really a guard/wing the way he was used at LSU and he is a player who rebounds the ball at a much higher clip, than others on our roster.
Any modest improvements in 3 point % and FT%, will take care of the PF.
We need a PF/C hybrid who is closer to a 5 than 4. But I am not forcing a PF or backup center onto the roster if he doesn't have shooting range or ability to pick and pop. I would rather bet on Dean Reiber being that improved player and having an insurance policy type of big instead.
RHJ is technically 6'4 in height and played the PF in some/most lineups with a 7'1" wingspan. Hyatt is taller than RHJ and has a game truly built for being a hybrid PF and has the same or better wingspan than RHJ.
That doesn't mean I think Hyatt is as good as RHJ, he is not that type of player. But he can be Eugene Omoyuri and become a better interior player than what we have seen.
At some point, fans keep asking for replacement after replacement, instead of trusting the player development. You also have to factor in how a player functions and plays, when he knows he is going to get 26 to 28 minutes, vs someone who isn't sure if he is going to get consistent minutes off the bench. I am not saying Hyatt was misused or under pressure to perform, but he isn't really a guard/wing the way he was used at LSU and he is a player who rebounds the ball at a much higher clip, than others on our roster.
Any modest improvements in 3 point % and FT%, will take care of the PF.
We need a PF/C hybrid who is closer to a 5 than 4. But I am not forcing a PF or backup center onto the roster if he doesn't have shooting range or ability to pick and pop. I would rather bet on Dean Reiber being that improved player and having an insurance policy type of big instead.
Pike certainly wasn’t sold on him. Starters were playing way too many minutes last year while he was on the bench.
It was a confidence issue. You could literally see it with him and his teammates. They went to great lengths to pump him up every time he made a good play. It was like they knew he was down on himself for not playing better and they tried to help him snap out of it.
That was last year, this is a different year.
Let's rewind the tape to last year.....we were apparently bleeding out, because Myles Johnson left to head home and we were left with Ralph Agee and Dean Reiber. Is Agee/Reiber a better solution to Myles Johnson?? Absolutely not. But you have to project forward and understand Cliff was always the better option at the 5, but he lacked minutes and there was no evidence of production.
If we do the same thing and look at Hyatt and his lack of production this past year, it is the same situation. Hyatt is not as good as RHJ, just like Agee and Reiber were not as good as Myles Johnson.
The production comes from knowing you will play (or that Mag and Hyatt can combine to replace RHJ production). Neither Mag or Hyatt are the player that RHJ is. You just need that player to be a certain percentage better than what they showed the prior year.
If you double Hyatts minutes from 13 to 26, you will get around 10PPG and 8 to 10 RPG. I am pretty certain that will be the case. And if by chance, Hyatt falters, we have Mag to back up.....and Reiber is a short term 3 to 5 minutes a game emergency 4 as well.
If we project Reiber numbers forward with double the amount of minutes, his numbers should increase as well. Last year at this time, he was not deemed a factor in the rotation, this year, Reiber is certainly expected to be a more reliable backup. We just have to trust the development and let Reiber/Hyatt/Mag/Simpson, play through their mistakes in the early season, while Caleb, Paul, Cliff and others like Spencer, carry the workload.
Harper is shrinking! He's now 6'4?!
He just measured 6'5.5 at the NBA combine.
What is Hyatt's wingspan? You know it's more than 7'1? Or is that just a guess?
You seem to be making some of this up as you go
Rivals article from 2020 has his wingspan at 7'5"Harper is shrinking! He's now 6'4?!
He just measured 6'5.5 at the NBA combine.
What is Hyatt's wingspan? You know it's more than 7'1? Or is that just a guess?
You seem to be making some of this up as you go
My point was he has played 3 full seasons. Has he had confidence issues for 3 years?
I take Hawks points very well and to expand on Hyatt a little it’s tough to come in as a newbie and play behind established producer like RHJ. This year Hyatt doesn’t need to measure up the RHJ production. He can be his own man. With the BIG experience under his belt I expect his game to be much stronger. We will find out!
Sorry, misread. 7'4" wingspan for Hyatt, per multiple sources, but here's the link from sk.com
Hyatt’s problems mostly involved ball security and forcing things on offense. But he is an excellent rebounder, shot blocker and scorer. I’m expecting him to clean it up and have an excellent year. I don’t think 10 and 8 is too much to expect from him.
As in life, you can have confidence issues anytime.
Could also be he was forcing or pressing. Trying too hard to make an impact off the bench instead of relaxing and letting the game come to him. Stretches when he played well, he played relaxed....did not force things.
His defense improved throughout the year, but from a very very very low point. It has been now 3 years where he has been bad offensively.
it is possible he has a break out year and performs adequately as a starting 4 playing 25+ MPG and is in the floor during crunch time and helps us win games. I just am not expecting it think there is a better chance of Mag being that guy.
No Baker and Harper at training camp. No 4 star studs at LSU. I do subscribe a bit to the theory he could have a different mindset and could be a better performer.
We will see. At least we have 2 guys that could breakout. We could go 0 for 2, but I think at least 1 will hit.
it is possible he has a break out year and performs adequately as a starting 4 playing 25+ MPG and is in the floor during crunch time and helps us win games. I just am not expecting it think there is a better chance of Mag being that guy.
No Baker and Harper at training camp. No 4 star studs at LSU. I do subscribe a bit to the theory he could have a different mindset and could be a better performer.
We will see. At least we have 2 guys that could breakout. We could go 0 for 2, but I think at least 1 will hit.
I do think he was trying to score 5 points every time he touches the ball to show he should play
Yes exactly. I completely agree.
You questioned my 8-10 +/- spread impact on Caleb’s return and here lies my answer… I hope both of them take huge steps forward (Mag and Hyatt), but pre-season (based on the starting point) I put a pretty big premium on the added value of not having to play Mag and Hyatt together for 25+ minutes.
Hyatt's main jobs will be to help Cliff on the boards, get some offensive rebounds, and guard the other team's big forward. Cliff, Paul, Caleb, and Spenser (hopefully) will be the main scorers. We know that Hyatt can hit an occasional 3 and get some points in the paint, so I think he'll be a solid contributor.
Luckily most players wear shoes when they're on the court.
6'5.5 with shoes onHarper is shrinking! He's now 6'4?!
He just measured 6'5.5 at the NBA combine.
What is Hyatt's wingspan? You know it's more than 7'1? Or is that just a guess?
You seem to be making some of this up as you go
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Harper is shrinking! He's now 6'4?!
He just measured 6'5.5 at the NBA combine.
What is Hyatt's wingspan? You know it's more than 7'1? Or is that just a guess?
You seem to be making some of this up as you go
There's an NBA combine measurement that is without shoes, which is always deemed as the official item for a player. It doesn't take away the item that at 6'4 or 6'5, it's not a difference in height between Hyatt and RHJ. There is no reason why Hyatt or Mag cannot manage and play the 4.
The wingspan item is also a measurement that the NBA takes for every player and RU has their own as well, where Hyatt was mentioned to have a wingspan beyond 7'.....which is really more important than the actual height the player has himself.
It seemed to me that Andre was never comfortable in the offense last year. He had two modes: One was catch-shoot (or catch-one dribble-shoot), the other was catch-look-pass. I don't think he was or will be effective attacking the rim though I could see him dribbling to a spot for a pull-up or fade-away. He didn't, though, operate in the flow of the offense or get easy buckets. Maybe in '22-'23 we can get an Akwasi-like season from him--three-point threat and rugged on the boards.
Wingspan questions.....
1. is the measurement fingertip to fingertip?
2. Does the average person have a wingspan that equals their height?
3. Why don't we measure how high a person can touch flat footed.
1. is the measurement fingertip to fingertip?
2. Does the average person have a wingspan that equals their height?
3. Why don't we measure how high a person can touch flat footed.
1. Yes
2. For a typical human yes. For basketball players, no. It was moderately major news when Emoni Bates (listed height 6'9") only measured a 6'7.25 wingspan. Tyler Herro also has a "negative" wingspan.
3. We do. It's called Standing Reach. https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/?sort=STANDING_REACH&dir=1
2. Major news is when we found out he isn't nearly as good as his recruiting rankings
Looks like most have more wingspan than height....Ron has long arms! and 1.5'' shoes. some guys are only listed with a 1'' differential
Looks like most have more wingspan than height....Ron has long arms! and 1.5'' shoes. some guys are only listed with a 1'' differential
8 rebounds is more than Cliff averaged last year. That's a lot
Again, …leaving Reiber out of the equation. Wow. He will log more minutes at 4 than 5.
I don't think 9/6 is out of the question. If he rebounds at the same rate he did this year, over 25-30 min, he'll get 5.5-6.6 rb.