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Why did you change this? There wasn't anything offensive? Or maybe the disclaimer would have been useless? Lol.
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I'm guessing they changed it because of a political reference, hoping to prevent a political debate here. That's all I got....
Jordan Tucker checks the message boards to see if the fans know about him. He gets on DI and is immediately excited to see a multi page thread about him. Then he reads it. Aaaaaand back to running windsprints.
Hahaha!!! Well I'm excited about him and glad he's coming. Hey Jordan you got a fan here!
Just trying to avoid the inevitable that's all. Even a little mention of something political turns into a "thing". Let's just get back to Jordan. Not trying to come down on you.
To me Jordan T has a great opportunity to contribute. For him waiting on Duke, then Duke offering and him being at Duke has to be a dream come true for him. We all know there aren't any for sures with game minutes but no one also can measure how motivated he is to be living his dream at Duke.
I really hope this board gives Jordan this much support during the season if he gets p.t. and struggles. OFC
It seems to me that either Goldwire or Tucker will have to play some this year unless White can play guard or wing on a consistent basis. The numbers don't work out without one of them. It would be really disappointing if Grayson, Duval and Trent become iron men beginning in November. I for one am willing to let the two Jordans take some lumps in order to be ready for March.
I don't always agree with pt, or lack of with some of the players, but Coach K has been doing this for a long time, and is going to play who he thinks will give the team the best chance of winning. He's a tough man that puts out there guys that he thinks are tough. He doesn't do minutes like Roy. Roy goes down his "Dean Smith rules of coaching" and follows the script. K wants guys ready to go to war for him, and if the lineup that he puts on the court plays hard, good and smart, their won't be too many minutes left over. We will just have to live with it, I know I don't always agree but I'm not the one who's won over 1000 games and 5 national titles, multiple Olympic gold medals, and what 18? acc titles
Doubtful. Some "fans" can be excessively harsh. Remember what certain people were saying about Jayson Tatum last season?
Oh just wait.....especially if we struggle a little early on...,,
I know I subscribe a lot to Mac's theory and oft times suggest play so and so more or this guy less. However, I know from what I've seen and heard Jordan can fill it up....Hope he gets some meaningful PT and knocks down some big shots....
Mac said it well- who are we to question the GOAT???? I just hope he sticks around a few more years.....Glad you started this thread Jake, JT deserved it for keeping his faith in the Blue Devils....
OFC
Well, keep in mind that being ready for March can mean that guys are used to being iron men. In our 5 championship-winning title games, starters logged heavy, heavy minutes. In '15, all 8 remaining scholarship players played, w/ 7 of them accounting for 191 minutes. In '10, all 5 starters played 30+ and the 3 guys off the bench played 17 minutes total. In '01, we only played 7 guys, 6 of them accounting for 190 minutes. In '92, despite winning by 20, 6 guys logged all 200 minutes (though 4 more guys are credited w/ playing what must have been less than half a minute each). In '91, 6 guys accounted for 173 minutes and 8 for 199 minutes. There's a case to be made that we needed them to play heavy minutes and that they were only prepared to b/c they'd done so all season. (Actually, I can't speak to the minutes for every one of those regular seasons.) There's also the case to be made that we'd have had an extra regular season loss or two but had another 1-2 guys prepared to play in the championship, or that in other years we might have gotten further w/ the same strategy. We'd only be guessing at that, though.
What are we ever going to do without Coach K? I do believe we will get a the top notch coach and continue the winning tradition that he has enhanced since he arrived. Duke did have a great tradition before he came but he is the G.O.A.T. and if we are to remain as good of Duke fans as we are now we will need to deal with it. Gonna be a test for us so let's enjoy the ride with Coach K ever how long it last. OFC
Funny thing is....for every game Tatum lost us in January (or at least contributed to) he won us in February and March (plus probably a few more.)
Proud to say I never doubted him and think there's a slight chance he becomes our greatest pro...........ever.
I think he might end up being our best pro yet too but still he sucked it up early but was awesome late
Hell no. Throw him to the wolves the firat time he does something stupid.
Fir reel though. Big difference when you start talking about hype and expectations. It's not the player's fault in either situation, but I don't think Tucker is going to have that weight on his shoulders.
Still would have lost almost every game we lost in January (maybe NC State home game we win) and would have been like a 6 seed for the tournament...but sure.
The bench game is simple. Play your best players in crunch time (that's crunch time of games and seasons) and use your bench to give your best players a break when needed. Take last season for instance. All things equal and if all players were good to go, would you rather Jack play or Jayson? Most coaches in America would play 7 maybe 8 guys if possible on a regular basis. In terms of minute distribution, it's not only the easiest way, but the best way to get your best guys in the floor, especially if there is a good mix of capable size and position.
He most definitely turned it around at the end of the year. No doubt. But we demand perfection in an imperfect world sometimes. If you never doubted him, that's great. I never doubted his talent, but was thin on patience at one time. Ultimately, I was glad he proved me wrong.
He definitely had struggles early, but some of that was also his teammates learning his style and adapting. He obviously wasn't a "bad player".
18 year old kid, coming off an injury (something that rarely got mentioned is he had never had a real injury before). And yeah, it took him a few weeks longer than most anticipated to find his game back.
I think we are all seeing "what could have been" if Tatum came into our season 100% healthy, he is tearing up the summer league and making it look easy.
The funny thing about that NC State game was he actually had a lot of great moments to keep us in that game and give us a chance to win, if he hadn't we would have probably lost by double digits, but naturally will only remember the finish of that game. He didn't suck it up either, he had quite a few freshman moments but at that point after everything that had happened to this team to that point, emotions were already at all time highs to match the all time high expectations. Combine those two things and you get a lot of irrational hatred spewed rather than common sense and patience. I get it, but it was definitely a lot to handle from a lot of our own fans.
Jayson struggled early, and maybe the Elon game in Greensboro was one of the more difficult nites from standpoint of his shot selection.(7-22). I remember Luke referencing something in post game that nite about everyone "buying in" to our system...
We were just plain bad to let State beat us, and I remember his behind the back dribble (had it stolen end of game) cost us chance to win. Perhaps his game was hurt by not having K at that point, but he got a dose of K later as the entire team did at K's house.
How the team and Jayson ever redeemed themselves. Tatum and Luke IMO should have been tourney co-mvp's...OFC
We were just plain bad to let State beat us, and I remember his behind the back dribble (had it stolen end of game) cost us chance to win. Perhaps his game was hurt by not having K at that point, but he got a dose of K later as the entire team did at K's house.
How the team and Jayson ever redeemed themselves. Tatum and Luke IMO should have been tourney co-mvp's...OFC
If you don't want fans to be upset when players aren't what they're hyped to be we need to stop hyping and having a message board lol
I think there's a difference between that and what many fans were giving Jayson less than ten games into his Duke career coming off an injury, while also trying to fit in. The boards are here for any fan to voice their opinions, absolutely. No one is saying you can't voice yours. That said, I think many were extremely irrational and jumped the gun, and bc of that it was met with quite a divisive board dynamic.
Just think all those guys on that Elon team will some day tell their grand children I played against the great Jason Tatum in college and tell them they held him scoreless.
OFC.Just think all those guys on that Elon team will some day tell their grand children I played against the great Jason Tatum in college and tell them they held him scoreless.
But guys like us Sky "doctors of trivia" will know! OFC
I give Tatum a pass on the end of the State game, but he doesn't get one the last 10 minutes of the game. He was just bad and had multiple opportunities to help Duke out it away. He was really bad that night. He didn't deserve a lot of the ridiculous things said about him by Duke fans, though.
The problem with Dattier is he can't recognize objective criticism (that great coaches have their achilles- in this case, putting much of a leash on certain players and not giving them room to grow - e.g. Gbinijie, Semi) that still recognizes greatness in the coach. So he has to use a straw man - all because he's never had the unfortunate corn cob surgically removed. That particular one had a massive amount of straw. Impacts the mind apparently.
Lol. Between Dattier and The Donald in the battle for the most crass internet poster in the 21st Century- It's a tough call. If you ever chose to be kind or reasonable or genuinely offer friendly disagreement without being an a$$ people might think you had converted to faith or something. But that won't happen any time soon if the track record is any indication.
That was soooooo 2 days ago, but way to take us back. Good times, good times. Here, now I'll get you up to speed, @youngman42 :
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I don't really have a straw in this argument, so I'll keep out of the Dattier thing, whatever that may be.
I'll say that I completely disagree with you on Semi and Gbinije....and I don't think it's because of a lack of objectivity. It took both Gbinije and Semi until their fourth full season in college for them to be truly productive. I can maybe get behind Semi some, but not Gbinije. He left after one season. With Semi, I think it was just the recognition that he was going to be behind guys. Parker and Hood were both significantly better than him in 2014 (and still are), Justise was better in 2015, and Ingram in 2016. I don't need to tell you about Jayson this past season. Duke tried convincing Semi he was more of a natural four, which became obviously apparent last year at SMU. He just didn't want to hear that. I'm glad he became the player he did at SMU and wish him the best.
It's really hard to say how developed Semi actually was. I mean, he played 143 minutes at Duke. If he averaged relatively meaningful minutes, let's say around 20 min/game, he would have only played 7 games at Duke. He was at Duke for 1.5 years and he sat out at SMU for 1.5 years. To me, the 2017 season was Semi's first full-season.
That was kind of my point. While I know K certainly isn't infallible, his track record is quite good. I think it's safe to assume two things....1) Semi was a much better player his fourth year in college than during his time at Duke, and 2) He didn't face near the competition at SMU on a nightly basis as what he would have at Duke.
He had one of the better season's of any college player in the country last season, yet he was still picked in the second round. He's a really nice player, but he doesn't project as a true wing in the NBA and he's a bit undersized as a four. While at Duke, Semi thought he was strictly a wing. There's two things we do know....1) Duke wanted/advised Semi to redshirt a year (he didn't want to), and 2) the staff thought he was best served spending more time as a 4/3.