Joel T interviewed Starkville doctors

[campshelbydog842003]

And it’s going to make some heads explode around here. Open it up. Full stadiums and all.

https://t.co/F83OaGOvlX

 

[TBone.sixpack]

No Fauci/No Listen**

 

[HotMop]

I'm patiently waiting for Spectre's take. I'm expecting a new username in 3...2....1....

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Oh he will be back.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

that's interesting conversation. i mostly take what the pulmonologist has to say because his area is one of highest affected areas by the virus. what's interesting is though if you take 100 doctors you would probably get a large split like we do on this board. a few doctors i've spoken to in my area all have different opinions. one of my primary care physicians who has had some of his patients contract covid and die is very serious about it still. He recommended masks every time going out and limiting going out. One of my other doctors is not as serious about it but he hadn't had any covid patients yet. My ENT is pretty serious about it and recommend masks and limiting close interaction. Other doctors my wife works with are like another poster who said that doctor's his wife work with say about 80% of people will get it by the end of the year it will just vary in the severity. their take is that everyone will get it eventually no matter how much we distance etc. They were mainly concerned with everyone getting it at once and having a major outbreak. Just like anything. lot's of different opinions even in the medical field. good article though and good idea by Joel.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

AMEN!!! It's time we all tell Fauci to 17 his damn virus and 17 his damn vaccine, we don't need it!!!!

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

It's now been proven that the virus was in the United States as early as December. People were still going to sporting events and other large gatherings with no hesitation, and without worry. I would go to a game tomorrow. If you are too afraid to go, then simply stay at home.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

My close circle of friends has a med/ped primary care doc, a surgeon doing residency and another guy about to start his anesthesia residency. So young guys all 30-34. All of them and the colleagues they talk to generally feel the same way as the three docs interviewed by Joel.

Again, not epidemiologists or even that experienced, but very smart and they have all recently studied this stuff and been in rounds, seeing and/or treating patients, etc. The primary care doc has had a few of his patients test positive, though no serious cases. It's just interesting to know that there are very split opinions of what's "safe" even among the medical community.

Great idea for an article by Joel.

 

[patdog]

Pretty surprised that's their conclusion. I hope they're right.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

I think we consistently see the split on opinions because we don't 100% know what we're dealing with. So it's a matter of what each person feels is the best approach with the current information.

We won't really know if we made the right choices for a while.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

And it’s going to make some heads explode around here. Open it up. Full stadiums and all.

https://t.co/F83OaGOvlX

Initially it made sense for us to be cautious because we needed time to prepare and time to get a sense of how serious the virus is.

At this point, we've increased screening/testing capabilities dramatically, so it's very likely that you're going to see an increase in number of cases, but the percentage of serious cases should decrease. The most important factor to track currently is hospital capacity, not new cases. If our hospitals start getting overwhelmed, we'd have to increase restrictions because we don't need to have people dying in the street. That's not the case currently -- hospitals almost everywhere have lower censuses than normal -- so we should cautiously but steadily open up while monitoring hospital capacity.

I support having football, but I'd also be in favor of no fans or mandatory fan distancing if our hospitals start to get overwhelmed. If hospitals aren't getting overwhelmed as we reopen, then keep decreasing distancing until we're back to normal seating in stadiums.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

It's now been proven that the virus was in the United States as early as December. People were still going to sporting events and other large gatherings with no hesitation, and without worry. I would go to a game tomorrow. If you are too afraid to go, then simply stay at home.

source?

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Initially it made sense for us to be cautious because we needed time to prepare and time to get a sense of how serious the virus is.

At this point, we've increased screening/testing capabilities dramatically, so it's very likely that you're going to see an increase in number of cases, but the percentage of serious cases should decrease. The most important factor to track currently is hospital capacity, not new cases. If our hospitals start getting overwhelmed, we'd have to increase restrictions because we don't need to have people dying in the street. That's not the case currently -- hospitals almost everywhere have lower censuses than normal -- so we should cautiously but steadily open up while monitoring hospital capacity.

I support having football, but I'd also be in favor of no fans or mandatory fan distancing if our hospitals start to get overwhelmed. If hospitals aren't getting overwhelmed as we reopen, then keep decreasing distancing until we're back to normal seating in stadiums.

Yep. Number of cases don’t really matter. In fact, it’s probably better if there are more cases if the death rate continues to drop.

 

[My Bru]

They are talking about the virus running its course, I say it probably already has. It did that in December, January and February. That's kinda what sparked the panic, because everybody who coughed suddenly thought they were going to die. It was a ton of people at one time.

 

[FQDawg]

This was an interesting article but I have a hard time taking the opinion of an ophthalmologist in Starkville, Mississippi all that seriously given that this virus has caused even internationally renowned experts to rethink what they know about it every few weeks.

 

[L4Dawg]

It's now been proven that the virus was in the United States as early as December. People were still going to sporting events and other large gatherings with no hesitation, and without worry. I would go to a game tomorrow. If you are too afraid to go, then simply stay at home.

How many cases were there here in December? there were very few if any. That makes a HUGE difference. If you were in a big crowd back then the odds were almost certain that nobody there had it. Today the odds would be that at least one would. In some states there would be many who would.

 

[L4Dawg]

that's interesting conversation. i mostly take what the pulmonologist has to say because his area is one of highest affected areas by the virus. what's interesting is though if you take 100 doctors you would probably get a large split like we do on this board. a few doctors i've spoken to in my area all have different opinions. one of my primary care physicians who has had some of his patients contract covid and die is very serious about it still. He recommended masks every time going out and limiting going out. One of my other doctors is not as serious about it but he hadn't had any covid patients yet. My ENT is pretty serious about it and recommend masks and limiting close interaction. Other doctors my wife works with are like another poster who said that doctor's his wife work with say about 80% of people will get it by the end of the year it will just vary in the severity. their take is that everyone will get it eventually no matter how much we distance etc. They were mainly concerned with everyone getting it at once and having a major outbreak. Just like anything. lot's of different opinions even in the medical field. good article though and good idea by Joel.

Exactly. It also depends on if you actually know someone that had or esp died with it. I know multiples of both. Two people I knew have died with it this week. That's just this week.

 

[L4Dawg]

This was an interesting article but I have a hard time taking the opinion of an ophthalmologist in Starkville, Mississippi all that seriously given that this virus has caused even internationally renowned experts to rethink what they know about it every few weeks.

Exactly, or one from Kentucky.

 

[dorndawg]

At least the one in Starkville could pass his boards.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

source?

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-began-spreading-california-december

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/...-S-coronavirus-death-occurred-on-15217316.php

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https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0200507-zqz7btfihfc5zn2qsrmkztv5je-story.html

https://www.wlwt.com/amp/article/an...o-since-january-health-officials-say/32438290[FONT=&quot]

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[L4Dawg]

At least the one in Starkville could pass his boards.

TRUE!

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

How many cases were there here in December? there were very few if any. That makes a HUGE difference. If you were in a big crowd back then the odds were almost certain that nobody there had it. Today the odds would be that at least one would. In some states there would be many who would.

If the virus really spread in the exponential manner that "Experts" claimed it would, it would not matter. All of the doomsday people claim that the virus was spreading exponentially and doubling every 3 to 4 days. That obviously isn't true.

 

[L4Dawg]

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-began-spreading-california-december

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/...-S-coronavirus-death-occurred-on-15217316.php

"He added that he was not surprised to learn of the earlier deaths. Experts have suspected for weeks now that the virus likely entered the United States in December, or even earlier."

https://www.latimes.com/california/...rus-deaths-signs-of-earlier-spread-california

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0200507-zqz7btfihfc5zn2qsrmkztv5je-story.html

https://www.wlwt.com/amp/article/an...o-since-january-health-officials-say/32438290

None of those say it was confirmed in the US till January. Again, numbers matter in this stuff. Saying because large crowds posed no risk in December so they don't now is just asinine. Go take a look at what is being said about some of the last soccer matches with crowds in Europe. The two I've seen stuff on happened in Milan and Liverpool.

 

[Sapsdawg]

You're displaying your ignorance if you're referencing Rand Paul.

He graduated from Duke Medical School in 1988 and completed a general surgery internship at Georgia Baptist Medical Center in Atlanta, Ga., before doing a residency in ophthalmology at Duke University Medical Center. He's also a Covid survivor who has been volunteering treating patients. ​

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

i would believe based on those those articles the most proof they have based on autopsy was early February. it says they suspect december. This is also in California where more travel is done between China and the US. that doesn't necessarily correlate to a bunch of cases being in the southeast in December through early February.

 

[dorndawg]

He also created his own "licensing board" because he could not pass the real one, so there's that.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

The last article states antibodies have proven that corona was in Ohio in January. We can argue about the exact timeline forever, but the fact remains the disease was in the United States 2 months before the lockdown began. People were also out living their normal lives, and gathering in large crowds. It did not have the devastating effect that experts predicted.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Also the CDC is showing 6,000 flu deaths for 2020. The average is usually around 40,000-50,000 any given year.

 

[Not Really a Doc]

In this particular issue I think Paul's voice should be taken into some consideration as he is a blend of medical/political. Fauci is a MD/Epidemiologist and his opinions reflect those of anyone with his qualifications dealing with this matter. His viewpoint will forever be that of someone who wants to continue to limit the virus no matter the cost... that's what an MD/Epidemologist case aims to do; limit those sick and that's great. His opinion should be taken as a consideration point, just as economist recommend opening the country... another view point.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Exactly, or one from Kentucky.

Here is a 4th local doctor you can tell everyone doesn’t know what they are talking about as well. I mean you know 2 people that died so that makes you much bigger of an expert than them.

https://twitter.com/familymeddawg/status/1260918474685194242?s=21