JJ redick vs Charles Barkley
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Barkley is right. Some of the older players are finally speaking out about all the 3 point shooting. These guys will pass up a wide open layup to shoot a 3. I just don’t get it. And it’s not just the NBA, it’s college as well. I used to watch college basketball every night. Now I pretty much only watch Kentucky.
Those two should get a room. But, I do like Charles. He speaks his mind.
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People want hand checking, hard fouls, and make defense important again.
Chuck is a danged national treasure and that show is and always will be gold. Chuck just roasted JJ and the whole team. The best part was when he said him and Shaq would be the third and fourth best players on the Lakers RIGHT NOW. 
Look at how few 3's MJ shot when he was in the league. He'd literally avg 60 a game in today's NBA
The three point ball is not the problem with the NBA. It’s a red herring to distract from the real issue, which is that LeBron is now old and they are back to 2001 era NBA with no superstar to carry the water.
JJ Redick has zero coaching experience on an aging team for the LA Lakers. Dude never had a shot.
JJ Redick has zero coaching experience on an aging team for the LA Lakers. Dude never had a shot.
The ridiculous rate of shooting the 3 ball is a problem. Crazy to say it's not an issue.
It's not the only issue though. The main issue is these MFrs are so soft now. 3s are a symptom of that. Is it easier to shoot bad 3s, or get to the basket through contact? Hell, ain't even that much contact anymore.
Weak defense, jacking up bad shots after jogging from 3pt line to 3pt line. Then they need load management after all that soft play. So many players are buddies and hanging out, worried more about contracts than championships. Just no edge and killer instinct.
It's all just symptoms of being a Charmin soft generation of entitled players.
It's not the only issue though. The main issue is these MFrs are so soft now. 3s are a symptom of that. Is it easier to shoot bad 3s, or get to the basket through contact? Hell, ain't even that much contact anymore.
Weak defense, jacking up bad shots after jogging from 3pt line to 3pt line. Then they need load management after all that soft play. So many players are buddies and hanging out, worried more about contracts than championships. Just no edge and killer instinct.
It's all just symptoms of being a Charmin soft generation of entitled players.
Taking them isn't, but the sheer volume is. Jogging from the top of the key to the top of the key isn't good basketball.
It's just not entertaining. Ratings show that. So do my eyes.
You're not wrong about the "superstar" point entirely though. There are many that could be but to my point, they are just too soft.
Basketball is basketball. Teams will take the best strategy to win. If that leads to threes, so be it. But that doesn’t make up for the bigger problem for the NBA, which is that people don’t care who wins or loses for 6 months a year.
It was Golden States best strategy to win for a while, but they were stacked for it. The whole league is not. They need to cut it out. Hasn't worked all that well for hardly any team except Golden State. More what's less effort than what's the best strategy.
How can you watch basketball your whole life and be like, "basketball is basketball"? Were we playing good basketball when getting beat in March the last few years? Is the worst team in the league playing "good basketball"? It's all the same?
Just like the league swung too physical for a bit, it's overcorrected to be too soft now. Needs to meet in the middle and correct course again. We've had playoffs the whole time. Regular season not mattering to these guys is just another symptom of softness. Sitting games out when you can go, thinking it's OK to get beat, you're cashing checks so who needs titles or victory?
Players check out, why wouldn't the fans?
Here’s the issue, this version of the NBA is going the route of the K,BB, or HR version of MLB. It’s boring as hell to watch. The NBA is at least trying to get out in front of it. MLB didn’t and their league is pretty much unwatchable, at least per viewership numbers. And, FTR, I totally agree with what you say. Sub 3 for HR/BB/K and you essentially have the same issue, including the part about nobody caring who wins for 6 months.
I truly think what you stated is the root cause of the drop in viewership. There’s just too many games. It makes it so that no individual game is that important for a large portion of the season. I really believe the NBA would see more success with a lot less games. Look at the NFL.
It was Golden States best strategy to win for a while, but they were stacked for it. The whole league is not. They need to cut it out. Hasn't worked all that well for hardly any team except Golden State. More what's less effort than what's the best strategy.
How can you watch basketball your whole life and be like, "basketball is basketball"? Were we playing good basketball when getting beat in March the last few years? Is the worst team in the league playing "good basketball"? It's all the same?
Just like the league swung too physical for a bit, it's overcorrected to be too soft now. Needs to meet in the middle and correct course again. We've had playoffs the whole time. Regular season not mattering to these guys is just another symptom of softness. Sitting games out when you can go, thinking it's OK to get beat, you're cashing checks so who needs titles or victory?
Players check out, why wouldn't the fans?
Teams will do what they need to win because it’s a competitive sport. The claim being made, which is false, is that 3’s detract from basketball. If that was the case explain the Pope and Pitino systems, which UK fans almost unanimously agree are more fun to watch.
That's actually a point that Nick Wright was making, and I definitely think that's part of it.
Who are our stars now? It was supposed to be the Ball brothers, they were kind of busts (maybe not Lamelo). Then it was Zion, can't stay on the floor. Who is next? Anthony Edward's, SGA? Can Tatum really be the face of the league?
Doesn't help that a lot of this elite talent isn't in the best markets. SGA in OKC, ant man in Minny. Joker in denver, wemby in San Antonio. Chicago, DC, Brooklyn and LAC have no one. Sure Tatum is in Boston and the Knicks appear to have a contender. But another point was made that a lot of the top baseball talent is in the big markets, and that helps. Ohtani, Judge, Betts, Harper, Soto, Lindor, etc.
No one is saying 3s detract from basketball. Too many 3s detract from basketball. Especially bad ones with no ball movement or offensive action to generate good shots.
Your point about Pitino teams only proves my point about Golden State. A few teams with the right players can get away with it. The whole league cannot. Those Pitino teams also got a lot of post touches and played tough defense.
Not many complained about Golden State because they were built for it and it was novel. No one wants to see the worst teams in the league shoot 3s all game at 25%.
No one wants to see the worst teams in the league at all and never have
My big thing is that if you want to make an 82 gam season work, these players have to play and keep the viewer engaged. Is it 3s? Sure. Is it load management? Some of that, too.
But it's really that a Wednesday night game in January really has no reason to draw viewers when players sit and more than half the league makes playoffs.. there for, these in-season games might as well be a practice. 82 game seasons can work for a sport like Hockey because there's action (and hockey fans are kind of off to begin with). A 3pt shooting drill for 2 hours on a Tuesday just isn't entertaining.
But it's really that a Wednesday night game in January really has no reason to draw viewers when players sit and more than half the league makes playoffs.. there for, these in-season games might as well be a practice. 82 game seasons can work for a sport like Hockey because there's action (and hockey fans are kind of off to begin with). A 3pt shooting drill for 2 hours on a Tuesday just isn't entertaining.
Ratings was case being made. Pitino was exciting because of the PACE and press, not just the 3s. And literally nobody else was doing it 35-40 yrs ago. Now everyone is doing it (shooting 3s), the pace is slow, and it’s no longer a novelty. About Popes style. Were his BYU teams fun to watch? Especially to the novice or just regular fan? I doubt it. The game today was insane because both teams were making shots and the arena was on fire. The same team played 10 days ago and the game was damned near unwatchable. I do t think ANYONE is making the argument against what the metrics say about what shots to take and when. Some teams are better at it than others and some teams have better shooters.
They’re definitely lacking of front line competition that have personalities. Unfortunately for the current NBA, the personalities more resemble a whining child than a stone cold killer competitor.
Meanwhile you have guys like Adam Silver talking about rules changes because of a trend of teams taking bad shots. It’s insane to me. Guy wants to change the sport for his own lack of branding and identity development
Whole lotta truth to this. They’ll sit in a pine box to watch you win and wouldn’t sit in a LazyBoy to watch you lose.
They would be better shooting less 3's if they aren't built for it is my point. If your not built to shoot and make 3s at a high rate then don't. Contrasting styles clashing is some of the most entertaining games. A homogeneous league is never very good. If all football scores looked like basketball scores the same would happen.
Aren't enough Stephs out there for every team to be playing that way. It's not entertaining and just bad basketball much of the time.
Jacking up bad 3s is the easiest thing to do in the game. Soft.
False! Jacking up 50 3’s a game is THE problem. I love Pope and I’m glad he’s here but he has never won an NCAA tournament game. He’s not John Wooden.. just yet anyway.
Pitino at UL changed the way he coached and were much more physical than they were finesse.
Jacking up contested 3’s is for guys who are too lazy to cut, run sets, or post up.
No, he’s trying to get out in front of a fairly substantial drop in ratings and merch sales. Adam Silver is no dummy. But he’s also got a helluva problem on his hands too. If he stands pat, they’ll be the MLB in a couple yrs.
You rarely even get dunks on a fast break now because they are running to the 3 pt line.
It’s also why we see so many blowouts in the NBA. I also haven’t watched college basketball outside of UK like I used to
Exactly! Heck when UK is done playing for the day, I’d rather watch UK reruns on YouTube than to watch anybody else live.
It’s exactly how we got our doors blown off by a reasonably tame tOSU team. 3s weren’t falling. We are, in general, soft AF. But man, when they go it’s must-see-TV. But when they don’t, and we’re playing a good team, it can get ugly.
The best players are foreign and it’s hard to sell that as face of the leagues in America . Jokic or Luka doesn’t really have the personality for it . Giannis does .
American wise they tried to say Anthony Edwards but his game isn’t exactly must see TV right now . He’s struggling to get 20 lately .
Shai has a quiet personality so does Tatum .
And honestly you need a player that is the face of the league that has as many haters as he does fans that love him . Who is that guy ?
I felt like it declined a lot when they broke up the Big East a few years ago . The transfer portal is only going to make it worse . It’s hard to cherish a rivalry as much when guys are jumping from school to school every year .
Yep. And that was exactly the criticism of the NBA before LeBron / Kobe / Durant / Carmelo. Natural cycle imo.
Then it was the “NBA plays no defense”. Now it’s 3’s.
That’s true about the Big East. It was always exciting to see two really great post players go at it to see who was better. We don’t get that anymore because they’re too busy hanging out on the 3 point line.
And you’re right about the transfer portal. To me it feels like we’re all just renting players.
Yeah that’s true . College games do seem to be more competitive because the game is played slower than the NBA though .
I’ve always felt the defense wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be .
Fast pace and the floor spread is going to make it much harder to defend especially now that more big men can shoot .
No Big Wallace type centers in the league . Loved Ben back then but imagine having a guy like that on the court . He wouldn’t have made it in this era due to style of play .