Jimmy V.

[RU72]

I'm here. Interestingly sitting next to Brad Stevens.Stevens really likes Dylan Harper.
I have inquired about Rutgers and have gotten 2 responses:

The goal is to have one or 2 of Duke,Cuse and UConn every year

When you are invited you need to accept.No clue what that means.I can't confirm that Rutgers was to play Baylor specifically in the Jimmy V.


Huge Duke and Illinois fan presence.

 

[djrc89]

Richard. There is literally nothing I like about this post. I don’t even like that you’re there!

 

[ScarletKid2008]

I'm here. Interestingly sitting next to Brad Stevens.Stevens really likes Dylan Harper.
I have inquired about Rutgers and have gotten 2 responses:

The goal is to have one or 2 of Duke,Cuse and UConn every year

When you are invited you need to accept.No clue what that means.I can't confirm that Rutgers was to play Baylor specifically in the Jimmy V.


Huge Duke and Illinois fan presence.

I’m out of touch perhaps, but why/how would Brad sevens have evaluated or even seen Dylan Harper play ?

 

[Scangg]

What two responses? and you can or can't confirm?

 

[MLBash93]

I’m out of touch perhaps, but why/how would Brad sevens have evaluated or even seen Dylan Harper play ?

Because the one and done rule is going away. Forget what year though

 

[Local Shill]

I'm here.

The goal is to have one or 2 of Duke,Cuse and UConn every year.

When you are invited you need to accept.No clue what that means.I can't confirm that Rutgers was to play Baylor specifically in the Jimmy V.

My guess is that if you're not one of those schools and turn it down they’ll never ask you again.

 

[RUChoppin]

My guess is that if you're not one of those schools and turn it down they’ll never ask you again.

We pulled out of the Jimmy V Classic in 2020, but it was strange circumstances since the tournament was moved to Orlando during the middle of a pandemic. Have to think that's a mark against us still, though.

 

[MCKnight]

Rutgers UCONN Jimmy V next year, sounds good. Make it happen

 

[MCKnight]

Only UNC is reported to be playing in 2023 Jimmy V per Rothstein, 3 open spots

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Steve Pikiell likes the schedule this way. I trust he knows a lot more of what’s best for the program than this poster.

Don’t lose fact of what games we want to see on the schedule the most! The NCAA tournament.

 

[Local Shill]

Steve Pikiell likes the schedule this way. I trust he knows a lot more of what’s best for the program than this poster.

Don’t lose fact of what games we want to see on the schedule the most! The NCAA tournament.

Last 3 years have been great. Let's play in a November or December tourney or the Jimmy V and shoot for a single-digit seed in the NCAAs!

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Last 3 years have been great. Let's play in a November or December tourney or the Jimmy V and shoot for a single-digit seed in the NCAAs!

How many years have we been better as the season moves along?

How many years has the rotations significantly changed as the season progressed?

Is front loading our schedule really a good idea?

 

[ScarletDave]

Once they lose the college football playoff contract, the Jimmy V classic will be ESPN’s premier event of the year. Let them die. Cuse and UConn, great - they’re trying to relive the big east days, ie when they were last relevant in sports broadcasting and anyone even watched sports center … ironic since they killed Big East basketball .. can’t have it both ways

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

This is Pikes program. Don’t we want him making decisions of how the schedule looks. Don’t we think the scheduling is a conscious decision and we’ll thought out. Don’t you think if it made sense for the program to schedule differently he’d do it.

Games played and scheduled are NOT independent events. There is a connectiveness to the season.

Trust Pike here

 

[bitnez]

Cuse is about the enter the dark ages. Once the JB retires everyone can kick dirt on them.

 

[RU72]

This is Pikes program. Don’t we want him making decisions of how the schedule looks. Don’t we think the scheduling is a conscious decision and we’ll thought out. Don’t you think if it made sense for the program to schedule differently he’d do it.

Games played and scheduled are NOT independent events. There is a connectiveness to the season.

Trust Pike here

There are 2 competing philosophies being articulated here. Steve is the best thing that has happened to Rutgers athletics in decades. Rutgers can be a perennial NCAA participant with him at the helm. I have little doubt that a 9 or 10 seed is in the offing this year. But to be on the national stage you have to play on the national stage. There is no bigger event than the Jimmy V and he is our Jimmy V. I was his beat writer for the Targum when he was the frosh coach. He was both brilliant and hysterical. Bilas agrees that Rutgers should be in once every few years. We spoke at length last night. So does George Bodenheimer. This board would rock the day after and I know that Rutgers would have out drawn all teams but Duke last night. A Garden clad in Red. We graduated the great economist Milton Friedman. He articulated a macro and micro philosophy. Playing the game is the macro philosophy of being on the national stage perennially. On a given night and all healthy,Rutgers could have defeated 3 of those teams last night.

 

[Scangg]

What two responses? and you can or can't confirm?

?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If you start talking about Phillips curve and elasticity of demand you are being put on ignore.

I say this way too much……I saw one possession last year of Oregon and it told me everything I needed to know about Rutgers Basketball. Jacob Young went under a screen.

We have recycled coaches every 4 years with all coaches trying to do things the same way. Pike has differentiated by focusing on the defensive end, getting long, and only recruiting outstanding young men.

We aren’t like other programs. We don’t recruit the same kids. What I fear what fans want is to be like other schools and potentially fail like the previous coaches failed.

I understand the answer is somewhere between Pike and what RU72 wants. I don’t think enough people appreciate what Pike has done and how he does it. I think if they did they might realize Pike is doing what is best for the program.

Also…….finals are coming up. This is the home stretch academically. Without the jimmy V we are in the middle of a tough 5 game stretch. Maybe 2 of the differentiators are a focus on academics and family (being home on thanksgiving). That stuff would resonate with me as a parent.

 

[bac2therac]

If you start talking about Phillips curve and elasticity of demand you are being put on ignore.

I say this way too much……I saw one possession last year of Oregon and it told me everything I needed to know about Rutgers Basketball. Jacob Young went under a screen.

We have recycled coaches every 4 years with all coaches trying to do things the same way. Pike has differentiated by focusing on the defensive end, getting long, and only recruiting outstanding young men.

We aren’t like other programs. We don’t recruit the same kids. What I fear what fans want is to be like other schools and potentially fail like the previous coaches failed.

I understand the answer is somewhere between Pike and what RU72 wants. I don’t think enough people appreciate what Pike has done and how he does it. I think if they did they might realize Pike is doing what is best for the program.

Also…….finals are coming up. This is the home stretch academically. Without the jimmy V we are in the middle of a tough 5 game stretch. Maybe 2 of the differentiators are a focus on academics and family (being home on thanksgiving). That stuff would resonate with me as a parent.

Do you want to thread the needle on the bubble every year too

 

[ru66]

How are you perennially on the national stage playing in these games "every few years" ? The exposure of the BIG and making the tournament every year will assure that. Not saying we should not be playing in those games or they are not for a great cause but some still are enamored by the ESPN culture that is old news and losing its luster.

 

[Colonel HR]

The key point is that Jimmy V. is a Rutgers alumni, and now that we can compete at that level, there is no reason why we can't be in it every few years. I like an RU vs. NC State matchup...that would be dripping with nostalgia...

 

[NickRU714]

I’m out of touch perhaps, but why/how would Brad sevens have evaluated or even seen Dylan Harper play ?

Dylan Harper has likely been seen by NBA front offices for years by now.
He is already being projected as a top 2025 NBA draft.
He's actually old news probably.

NBA teams are already scouting 14 year old HS freshman like Carlos Boozer's kids - already projected to be top draft picks.
https://www.zagsblog.com/2022/10/09...from-locks-to-follow-their-dads-path-to-duke/


This why when people talk about upperclassmen draft prospects and how they can develop and improve their draft options by returning to college are completely off-base.
For every additional year in college the player is getting a year older (less potential) and competing against a brand new crop of much younger guys.

To semi quote Dazed and Confused:
The college upperclassmen keep getting older, but the college freshman (soon to be HS seniors) stay the same age.

For better or worse, NBA draft evaluations are started (and usually completed) before a player sets foot on campus.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Do you want to thread the needle on the bubble every year too

I like being on the bubble as opposed to not being on the bubble.

People need to step in to the time machine and go back 7-10 years to get a flavor of how things used to be.

 

[bac2therac]

I like being on the bubble as opposed to not being on the bubble.

People need to step in to the time machine and go back 7-10 years to get a flavor of how things used to be.

those days are over, stop living in the past

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The national stage is not the Jimmy V classic on Decmber 6th. The stage is built in the month of March.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

those days are over, stop living in the past

oh boy. I hope that post ages well.

 

[sct1111]

"Your family, your religion and Rutgers basketball". Rutgers should be in this tournament a lot.

 

[goru7]

I like being on the bubble as opposed to not being on the bubble.

People need to step in to the time machine and go back 7-10 years to get a flavor of how things used to be.

I understand and as all of us diehards , those pre Pike years were dark and difficult. Any reasonable person realizes that the job Pike has done to resurrect this program is nothing short of phenomenal.
But with that progress and with that growth comes maintaining the image on the national stage. We have been lucky as Andy Katz on BTN and Seth Greenberg on ESPN have been driving our bus and tooting our horn for 2 years now and that is great but there is more. Good team that become great start taking on the challenges of getting to the top. We have shown we can play with the very top of the BiG 10 and win our fair share of games against them. It is time to start beating the Baylor ‘s and the Gonzaga’s and the Villanova ‘s and the Tar Heels and even those damn Dookies. It is time to make us a permanent fixture on the national stage with not only the best homecourt in the country but a program to match. It is time. There is no great Reward without Risk.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Both of these points of view have merit, and there is some chicken or egg dynamic here. Pike does more with less talent. He does that with superior coaching and by having a system, and part of that system is he takes the early season to experiment with rotations and develop players. So, it makes sense that we would not be as competitive in the early season tournaments as other top programs (we are a top program now) that rely more on blue chip recruiting. And if Pike had to focus on results in early season tourneys he wouldn't have the space to experiment and work his coaching magic and iron out the kinks against lesser teams.

I agree with that POV.

I also agree that to take the next step we need to recruit better. Pike's formula has put us into a place to recruit better. And having Pike be able to work his magic with even better players will result in even better results. And I agree that playing in early season tournaments can also battle test us, bump our NET, and give exposure that helps recruiting (while it also could mess with Pike's formula).

It's not a black/white, this way OR that way, kind of thing. It's a process. As we recruit better we can have the horses and margin of error to both do well in early season tourneys and have Pike do his thing. There is no magic moment we we move from Model A to Model B. It will likely be a gradual shift.

But I do agree that Pike earned the space and support to call the shots on this. He IS a man with a plan.

 

[Rokodesh]

We should be in this tournament based on his history with Rutgers and our ability to now complete against top teams.

 

[Scangg]

Do you want to thread the needle on the bubble every year too

If we take care of business this year we won't need to thread the needle on the bubble.

Last year was an anomaly in the extremely poor performance in the early OOC schedule. You seem to use that as a projection as to how it will hurt is every year when we likely don't lose to teams like Lafayette etc and scrape by in some of the other cupcakes

Look at our NET already this season. The schedule you can't stop complaining about hasn't hurt us at all. We are in the top 30 which is more than fine

 

[ru66]

The key point is that Jimmy V. is a Rutgers alumni, and now that we can compete at that level, there is no reason why we can't be in it every few years. I like an RU vs. NC State matchup...that would be dripping with nostalgia...

sorry that was not his point -- it was that those games would put us on the " national stage", perennially.

 

[RUsundevil]

National stage is also about recruiting, increasing casual fan interest which in turn increases likelihood of better tv coverage, and getting on the radar for the selection committee. Pike should absolutely have a large say in the schedule but the JVC is low hanging fruit in terms of getting national exposure.

 

[RUEd]

if I’m not mistaken, Rutgers was invited in 99 when Jimmy V was at the IZOD center in NJ. We performed poorly with poor attendance. Perhaps committee still holding a grudge

 

[Virginiarufan]

The committee knows we are capable of beating anyone and that we will show up in force at the Garden, our second home court. I doubt the committee is the same or remembers 1999.

 

[bac2therac]

If we take care of business this year we won't need to thread the needle on the bubble.

Last year was an anomaly in the extremely poor performance in the early OOC schedule. You seem to use that as a projection as to how it will hurt is every year when we likely don't lose to teams like Lafayette etc and scrape by in some of the other cupcakes

Look at our NET already this season. The schedule you can't stop complaining about hasn't hurt us at all. We are in the top 30 which is more than fine

Our ooc is still like 239

 

[Scarlet Shack]

There is a middle ground here

1.) we are gojng to 22 confrence games and the travel time for those are high …

2.) we do need 18 home games …so we need to have 7 home games out of confrence games

3.) we are not getting a blue blood to come to the RAC .

4.) the jimmy v classic is the perfect place for us to get a game against a big opponent in our backyard

5.) it’s better to play a ncaa caliber team in a OOC then trying to be cute wirb the computers and playing temple in Connecticut , unass bine and home , St Bonnie in Canada …and the such

 

[anon1763923992]

we’re a Fox property (Big Ten) and Jimmy V is an ESPN property. I’d be surprised if anyBig Ten team is invited to play in the V in the future if the demise of the ACC Big Ten challenge is an indication.

 

[bac2therac]

Then you will be surprised. The Big 10 has a large presence in NYC and thats why more often than not they will appear

 

[bac2therac]

3 appearances for Illinois in 9 seasons