Jim Schlossnagle
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You keep talking about exceptions not proving a rule -- but ALL you are doing is post long winded stuff over and over and over again ABOUT THE EXCEPTION, essentially arguing with yourself about it. And the only thing anyone is disagreeing with you on is the reason for said exception's existence. You don't think it's Corbin's deal. A bunch of us think he deserves the vast majority of the credit for it. It's that simple. I don't understand why you need to keep writing diatribes to yourself about that.
# of top 100 signees doesn't tell me anything other than what I posted already. Which is that Vanderbilt signs a crap ton of the best players in highschool baseball. And if I was a likely high draft pick with no intention of going to school -- they would be my choice -- because it would assure me a Vanderbilt education after my playing career was over. It's essentially a 6 figure delayed signing bonus for writing your name on that Vanderbilt piece of paper rather than a MSU piece of paper, just in cost of attendance which is covered by the MLB squad.
What your numbers don't say -- the part of this that actually matters -- is what percentage of those elite signed players are showing up to school. I'd venture that Florida's numbers are the best -- and Vanderbilt is very middle of the pack if not lower than that. They just sign so many on the front end that the numbers work themselves out. At first glance, it appears we have a better hit rate of actually getting draftees into school than Vandy. But I don't have time to pour through it.
We are going to be a top 3-4 national recruiter after the hire is made. The groundwork for that is already in place and teed up. We are going to sign a million top 100 guys -- and we are going to lose 4-6 of them every June. And our fans are going to freak out assuming that it only happens to us. So, what difference does it make what Vanderbilt is doing?
# of top 100 signees doesn't tell me anything other than what I posted already. Which is that Vanderbilt signs a crap ton of the best players in highschool baseball. And if I was a likely high draft pick with no intention of going to school -- they would be my choice -- because it would assure me a Vanderbilt education after my playing career was over. It's essentially a 6 figure delayed signing bonus for writing your name on that Vanderbilt piece of paper rather than a MSU piece of paper, just in cost of attendance which is covered by the MLB squad.
What your numbers don't say -- the part of this that actually matters -- is what percentage of those elite signed players are showing up to school. I'd venture that Florida's numbers are the best -- and Vanderbilt is very middle of the pack if not lower than that. They just sign so many on the front end that the numbers work themselves out. At first glance, it appears we have a better hit rate of actually getting draftees into school than Vandy. But I don't have time to pour through it.
We are going to be a top 3-4 national recruiter after the hire is made. The groundwork for that is already in place and teed up. We are going to sign a million top 100 guys -- and we are going to lose 4-6 of them every June. And our fans are going to freak out assuming that it only happens to us. So, what difference does it make what Vanderbilt is doing?
Meaning 1 winning season of 2 at UNLV, then TCU. So all two places.
Hey, I really like the guy as a potential HC for us, too. But that part is just leaning a bit much on hyperbole. That said, I'm guessing he would have been successful at other places as well.
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if he is coaching andy on how to handle his bat, color me extremely nervous.**
No, this is a John Cohen guy we’re talking about. He was clearly demonstrating how to bunt.**
While it is true like % remaining after athletic scholarship award favors schools with lower tuition, it does not account for private school's ability to take advantage of other forms of financial aid not typically available to public schools.
Also, your numbers are wrong. Our out-of-state cost-of-attendance per year is more likes 62% of TCU's. We have a better comparison with in-state, but we are a national program, and need to recruit nationally. Otherwise we would really need to rely on in-state talent to be good enough, deep enough and committed to us in order to be competitive athletically with the big boys.
So, if we offered a 50% scholarship, TCU would have to offer a 62% if they were going to match us with athletic scholarship only. Both schools likely augment whatever % they do offer with alternative funding, but TCU has more flexibility in this regard than we do.
Keep in mind, the 11.7 scholarships need to be split among 27 players, with none receiving less than 25%. Most programs offer significantly higher percentages to stud pitchers these days, so you're most likely looking at higher than 50% for each one. Now you have to do the math and account for the fact that you can't give less than 25% to any of the 27. So there are only so many players to whom we can offer high percentages.
If we offered all 27 the same amount, by rule we'd only be able to offer a 43% athletic scholarship. We can supplement some with additional forms of aid, but as a public institution we have to also abide by federal and state rules governing merit and need-based scholarships. By rule, we can also only offer athletic scholarships to a max of 27 players (since 2009).
Vandy, on the other hand, can offer up to 100% cost of attendance to all 35 on their roster. If they wanted, they could also admit as many more as they want that they don't claim on their roster, and have those pay only what they can afford, whether it's $1 or more. They just can't include more than 35 on their roster at any given time.
Also, your numbers are wrong. Our out-of-state cost-of-attendance per year is more likes 62% of TCU's. We have a better comparison with in-state, but we are a national program, and need to recruit nationally. Otherwise we would really need to rely on in-state talent to be good enough, deep enough and committed to us in order to be competitive athletically with the big boys.
So, if we offered a 50% scholarship, TCU would have to offer a 62% if they were going to match us with athletic scholarship only. Both schools likely augment whatever % they do offer with alternative funding, but TCU has more flexibility in this regard than we do.
Keep in mind, the 11.7 scholarships need to be split among 27 players, with none receiving less than 25%. Most programs offer significantly higher percentages to stud pitchers these days, so you're most likely looking at higher than 50% for each one. Now you have to do the math and account for the fact that you can't give less than 25% to any of the 27. So there are only so many players to whom we can offer high percentages.
If we offered all 27 the same amount, by rule we'd only be able to offer a 43% athletic scholarship. We can supplement some with additional forms of aid, but as a public institution we have to also abide by federal and state rules governing merit and need-based scholarships. By rule, we can also only offer athletic scholarships to a max of 27 players (since 2009).
Vandy, on the other hand, can offer up to 100% cost of attendance to all 35 on their roster. If they wanted, they could also admit as many more as they want that they don't claim on their roster, and have those pay only what they can afford, whether it's $1 or more. They just can't include more than 35 on their roster at any given time.
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And an AD who not only, "gets it", but was also a great HC himself. That has got to be very attractive...knowing your boss is extremely committed to the success of your baseball program.
Not sure I'd say Schloss is more accomplished than McDonnell because McDonnell has done it at a public school. Schloss has not. Both schools have had similar recruiting.
JS has been to 5 CWS in 14 years at TCU. DM has been to 4 in 10 years at Louisville. JS has been to 6 CWS + Super Regionals in 14 years., while DM has been to 7 in 10 years.
One could argue JS has had it a little easier in recruiting than DM, even if not nearly as easy as Corbin at Vandy.
Not sure I'd say Schloss is more accomplished than McDonnell because McDonnell has done it at a public school. Schloss has not. Both schools have had similar recruiting.
JS has been to 5 CWS in 14 years at TCU. DM has been to 4 in 10 years at Louisville. JS has been to 6 CWS + Super Regionals in 14 years., while DM has been to 7 in 10 years.
One could argue JS has had it a little easier in recruiting than DM, even if not nearly as easy as Corbin at Vandy.
And there you go just being an *******.
I can't help that you don't get it. I can't help that there are others who agree with you. I can't help that the majority of actual experts, including HC's, AD's and respected journalists agree with me, not you, yet you continue bitching about it.
If you don't enjoy the debate, or can't stand that others have differing opinions than yours, and back those opinions up, perhaps you should just decide to not engage rather than be a dick.
Truly, you don't have to read a damn thing I post. You have that freedom.
I can't help that you don't get it. I can't help that there are others who agree with you. I can't help that the majority of actual experts, including HC's, AD's and respected journalists agree with me, not you, yet you continue bitching about it.
If you don't enjoy the debate, or can't stand that others have differing opinions than yours, and back those opinions up, perhaps you should just decide to not engage rather than be a dick.
Truly, you don't have to read a damn thing I post. You have that freedom.
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i was also including his time as an assistant at Tulane back when they were at their peak, including being no.1 in the nation most of the year. He gets a lot of credit for their success.
He has had a hand in elevating three different programs above their historic levels.
Actually the biggest problem in college baseball with the scholarships is all of these small schools that don't want to see the scholarship numbers increased because it was cause those schools to spend more money on baseball. The NCAA needs to split college baseball up into divisions like football.
The thing about it is we give our players a lot of academic money- we just don't have a formal name for it like LSU or Vanderbilt.
The thing about TCU that no one mentions is in Texas TCU is at best the third choice as far as baseball schools go. That offsets some of any advantage that TCU may have. And I'm sure it fluctuates because you have Texas Tech, Rice, Baylor, and etc. that rise up from time to time.
This reply has little to nothing to do with this thread, but the answer to this question in so many contexts is 'human nature.'
For the most part, we don't "Tony Dungee" every time there is a coaching search around here. The names coming up are coming up for a reason, and it mostly isn't coming from within our athletics dept. Other than Cohen going on statewide radio and saying he's going to hire a guy the fanbase will be extremely excited about that has coached in CWS before and that he was shocked by the interest garnered from the elites in the sport -- within 24-48 hours of that coach's season being over. To have a deal done that quickly, the deal has to basically already be in place. And Schlossnagle's season is almost assuredly going to be over within the next 10-14 days. There is a lot of smoke to that fire coming from a lot of directions. We will see how it all plays out in the next two weeks.
And there you go writing a couple more paragraphs arguing against yourself and straw manning an argument from me that actually doesn't even exist. Then pretending I was "being an *******" about it -- because everyone is tired of you writing diatribes saying the same thing over and over and over again about something that you are just on the very front edge of beginning to understand while writing said diatribes.
Please also show me which actual expert doesn't give a huge percentage of the credit for Vanderbilt's success to Tim Corbin? Show me this "agreement with you" on something I've disagreed with you on -- surely that will be easy? After all, this whole debate was actually spurred when you decided you wouldn't want him as a head coach and that Vanderbilt recruits and wins itself. Despite literally every ounce of historical evidence disagreeing with you.
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Story about this “need-based“ financial aid: friend’s daughter had a full ride acedemic offer from Auburn and also had a “acedemic” offer from Vandy.
They go to Nashville to check it out and he was told to bring his W2’s, among other financial records. They sat down and went over his records arriving at his net worth and told them what it would cost. In his mind he’d already decided he couldn’t afford it but when they got in the car to come home, the daughter said “there’s no way a degree from vandy is worth that much more than a degree from Auburn - I’m going to Auburn.”
So he spent the money on a condo in Auburn, that he’s now getting ready to sell because she’s finished her degree. His quote that stuck with me was “you either have to be really rich or really poor to go to Vandy.”
They go to Nashville to check it out and he was told to bring his W2’s, among other financial records. They sat down and went over his records arriving at his net worth and told them what it would cost. In his mind he’d already decided he couldn’t afford it but when they got in the car to come home, the daughter said “there’s no way a degree from vandy is worth that much more than a degree from Auburn - I’m going to Auburn.”
So he spent the money on a condo in Auburn, that he’s now getting ready to sell because she’s finished her degree. His quote that stuck with me was “you either have to be really rich or really poor to go to Vandy.”
Or very, very, very academically accomplished. That's the only way not to go broke, sending your kid to Vanderbilt.
OK, *******. Of course, I have already hyper-linked and quoted numerous support sources (why some of my posts are lengthy) in other posts, which you were either too "put-upon" to read, or simply not able to grasp.
I do not make straw man arguments, but you have in this post alone. I never said Corbin is anything less that a very good coach, and acknowledged he may even be a great coach. I have said his track record of success as an HC has all been at a private institution with a big recruiting advantage, and pointed out he didn't exactly start killing it consistently until the recent rules changes, thus I don't want him over the others because we can't really say how much of his success is because of his big advantage.
I have said a school can have a built-in recruiting advantage, yet still not be successful if the coaching is poor. But you keep lying about that, *******.
"Please also show me which actual expert doesn't give a huge percentage of the credit for Vanderbilt's success to Tim Corbin?" Straw man, you hypocritical *******. I never said any expert said anything specific about Corbin and the job he has done. I referenced some who have acknowledged Vandy has a recruiting advantage.
Here's another source backing up my POV, ironically from a guy who was making the point that public schools have an advantage vs private, except for...wait for it....Vandy, TCU, Rice and Stanford. From Athletics Director Ron Wellman of Wake Forest :
(Get ready, *******. This may require you have the attention span of someone beyond a toddler, and you have shown how you think you're the only one allowed to exceed a certain limit per post)
http://www.journalnow.com/college-b...cle_20fdcfe8-db67-5875-80d5-3e5c6013f51f.html
Rule exceptions: Endowment
If no private schools ever flourished in baseball, the NCAA might feel compelled to take action. But Vanderbilt, TCU, Rice and Stanford have fielded programs that have thrived in recent seasons; in fact, Vanderbilt happens to be the defending national champion. Meanwhile, Georgia Tech, also a private institution, has won two of the past four ACC titles.
The explanation is that all of those schools spend more on academic or need-based scholarships for baseball, at least partly because they can. Wake Forest's total endowment for 2014 was $1.148 billion, which is quite a bit of coin but decidedly less than the endowments of Rice ($5.5 billion), Stanford ($21.4 billion) or even Duke ($7 billion). TCU has invested a larger portion of its $1.4 billion endowment on baseball, but the school most famous for supplementing its baseball scholarships with academic or need-based grants has been Vanderbilt.
"They're well-endowed and so they're able to do things with financial aid based upon need that a lot of other institutions have not been able to do," Wellman said. "And they've been very judicious in the manner in which they've done it."
In 1998, Vanderbilt received the largest gift that had ever been given to an American college or university.
The Ingram Charitable Fund, whose chairwoman, Martha R. Ingram was the daughter, wife and mother of Vanderbilt graduates, donated stock valued at more than $300 million to the school.
"That really turned that university around, really shot that university ahead, "Walter said. "It's not only an athletic issue, it's an academic issue as well. It helps Vanderbilt get top, top students. That's why you see Vanderbilt ranked in the Top 15 of universities because they get a higher yield of the kids they offer because they offer better financial packages.
"There's a direct correlation to endowment and size of packages, and academic scholarships."
Vanderbilt's endowment of $4 billion is only part of the story. What has helped Tim Corbin coach the Commodores into the elite circle of baseball programs has been how willing the school has been to spend money on academic and need-based scholarships and the programs, frameworks and considerations it has established to do so.
Two notable Commodore baseball players of recent seasons have been left-hander David Price (now with the Detroit Tigers) and third baseman/first baseman Pedro Alvarez (of the Pittsburgh Pirates). Neither received athletic scholarships while attending Vanderbilt, which freed up money for Corbin to spend on other recruits.
"For schools like Vanderbilt, to use them as the example, the way they assess need-based scholarships is very different than us,'' Walter said.
"Vanderbilt just looks at their income, the income of the custodial parents. So if you get a divorced family situation where the father makes a million dollars a year but they live 51 percent of the time with the mom, who has no income, then it's a full financial-aid situation for that.
"So the point of all that is, for us and the way Wake looks at a person's balance sheet, one of the things they look at is their ability to borrow. So if they have a nice home that they can borrow against...."'
Hey *******, please do explain how your opinion, contrary to mine and AD Wellman is, "more informed". I'm sure the AD at Wake Forest will thank you for pointing out how ignorant he is. Maybe he'll step down and recommend you for the job, since you know so much more and your opinion is unimpeachable.
I will follow up with more sources in other threads, since you have such a hard time staying focused enough to read a response in one thread. Amusing that my "long diatribes" often include quotes and sources, while yours are mostly personal opinion, and often just as lengthy. They fact you have others on this board who agree with you makes you no less wrong. You just have company in your ignorance.
ETA - I didn't start calling you an ******* because you disagreed with me, I called you an ******* because you started posting like one, being unnecessarily uncivil.
I do not make straw man arguments, but you have in this post alone. I never said Corbin is anything less that a very good coach, and acknowledged he may even be a great coach. I have said his track record of success as an HC has all been at a private institution with a big recruiting advantage, and pointed out he didn't exactly start killing it consistently until the recent rules changes, thus I don't want him over the others because we can't really say how much of his success is because of his big advantage.
I have said a school can have a built-in recruiting advantage, yet still not be successful if the coaching is poor. But you keep lying about that, *******.
"Please also show me which actual expert doesn't give a huge percentage of the credit for Vanderbilt's success to Tim Corbin?" Straw man, you hypocritical *******. I never said any expert said anything specific about Corbin and the job he has done. I referenced some who have acknowledged Vandy has a recruiting advantage.
Here's another source backing up my POV, ironically from a guy who was making the point that public schools have an advantage vs private, except for...wait for it....Vandy, TCU, Rice and Stanford. From Athletics Director Ron Wellman of Wake Forest :
(Get ready, *******. This may require you have the attention span of someone beyond a toddler, and you have shown how you think you're the only one allowed to exceed a certain limit per post)
http://www.journalnow.com/college-b...cle_20fdcfe8-db67-5875-80d5-3e5c6013f51f.html
Rule exceptions: Endowment
If no private schools ever flourished in baseball, the NCAA might feel compelled to take action. But Vanderbilt, TCU, Rice and Stanford have fielded programs that have thrived in recent seasons; in fact, Vanderbilt happens to be the defending national champion. Meanwhile, Georgia Tech, also a private institution, has won two of the past four ACC titles.
The explanation is that all of those schools spend more on academic or need-based scholarships for baseball, at least partly because they can. Wake Forest's total endowment for 2014 was $1.148 billion, which is quite a bit of coin but decidedly less than the endowments of Rice ($5.5 billion), Stanford ($21.4 billion) or even Duke ($7 billion). TCU has invested a larger portion of its $1.4 billion endowment on baseball, but the school most famous for supplementing its baseball scholarships with academic or need-based grants has been Vanderbilt.
"They're well-endowed and so they're able to do things with financial aid based upon need that a lot of other institutions have not been able to do," Wellman said. "And they've been very judicious in the manner in which they've done it."
In 1998, Vanderbilt received the largest gift that had ever been given to an American college or university.
The Ingram Charitable Fund, whose chairwoman, Martha R. Ingram was the daughter, wife and mother of Vanderbilt graduates, donated stock valued at more than $300 million to the school.
"That really turned that university around, really shot that university ahead, "Walter said. "It's not only an athletic issue, it's an academic issue as well. It helps Vanderbilt get top, top students. That's why you see Vanderbilt ranked in the Top 15 of universities because they get a higher yield of the kids they offer because they offer better financial packages.
"There's a direct correlation to endowment and size of packages, and academic scholarships."
Vanderbilt's endowment of $4 billion is only part of the story. What has helped Tim Corbin coach the Commodores into the elite circle of baseball programs has been how willing the school has been to spend money on academic and need-based scholarships and the programs, frameworks and considerations it has established to do so.
Two notable Commodore baseball players of recent seasons have been left-hander David Price (now with the Detroit Tigers) and third baseman/first baseman Pedro Alvarez (of the Pittsburgh Pirates). Neither received athletic scholarships while attending Vanderbilt, which freed up money for Corbin to spend on other recruits.
"For schools like Vanderbilt, to use them as the example, the way they assess need-based scholarships is very different than us,'' Walter said.
"Vanderbilt just looks at their income, the income of the custodial parents. So if you get a divorced family situation where the father makes a million dollars a year but they live 51 percent of the time with the mom, who has no income, then it's a full financial-aid situation for that.
"So the point of all that is, for us and the way Wake looks at a person's balance sheet, one of the things they look at is their ability to borrow. So if they have a nice home that they can borrow against...."'
Hey *******, please do explain how your opinion, contrary to mine and AD Wellman is, "more informed". I'm sure the AD at Wake Forest will thank you for pointing out how ignorant he is. Maybe he'll step down and recommend you for the job, since you know so much more and your opinion is unimpeachable.
I will follow up with more sources in other threads, since you have such a hard time staying focused enough to read a response in one thread. Amusing that my "long diatribes" often include quotes and sources, while yours are mostly personal opinion, and often just as lengthy. They fact you have others on this board who agree with you makes you no less wrong. You just have company in your ignorance.
ETA - I didn't start calling you an ******* because you disagreed with me, I called you an ******* because you started posting like one, being unnecessarily uncivil.
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I agree about splitting up into divisions. Still do not agree with any suggestion we are close to Vandy.
Todd, I referenced a link to an article in an earlier post here. I think you'll find it interesting. From an article based on an interview with the Wake Forest AD concerning baseball scholarships and how publics compare with privates, with noted exceptions, including Vandy.
http://www.journalnow.com/college-b...cle_20fdcfe8-db67-5875-80d5-3e5c6013f51f.html
Todd, I referenced a link to an article in an earlier post here. I think you'll find it interesting. From an article based on an interview with the Wake Forest AD concerning baseball scholarships and how publics compare with privates, with noted exceptions, including Vandy.
http://www.journalnow.com/college-b...cle_20fdcfe8-db67-5875-80d5-3e5c6013f51f.html
I wonder how much of that has to do with roster limits combined with injuries, misses on talent eval in a max of 35 on roster, etc. There is so much HS talent in Texas I have to believe the depth is unreal
How far down the state-rankings does one need to go before there is significant drop-off in talent?
How far down the state-rankings does one need to go before there is significant drop-off in talent?
I will quickly add I had previously made reference to the fact that private schools need to be able and willing to take advantage of the available loopholes. To clarify this position, it is private schools with endowments large enough and willing to direct funds that can go to baseball players that have the advantage.
Some of my earlier posts suggested private schools have an automatic advantage. This was a little shallow in expression, as a private school that cannot or does not use endowments to greatly supplement aid to baseball players are actually at a disadvantage to public schools due to cost of tuition differences.
Given my posts on this subject were primarily in response to why I don't want Corbin from Vandy over Schloss or McDonnell, my bigger point remains, as Vandy is one of the private schools that takes advantage, and in a big way.
Some of my earlier posts suggested private schools have an automatic advantage. This was a little shallow in expression, as a private school that cannot or does not use endowments to greatly supplement aid to baseball players are actually at a disadvantage to public schools due to cost of tuition differences.
Given my posts on this subject were primarily in response to why I don't want Corbin from Vandy over Schloss or McDonnell, my bigger point remains, as Vandy is one of the private schools that takes advantage, and in a big way.
7 million more words no one is going to bother reading through because it’s most likely just you saying the same thing for the 300th time that doesn’t have anything to do with anything anyone else has actually argued with you about.
4 straight posts and 30 more paragraphs on something I was simply pointing out everyone being tired of your echo chamber on — something you just decided a week or two ago to start trying to understand — when you were called out for saying you wouldn’t want Corbin as our head coach — and I’m the *******. I simply think Corbin is an elite coach that has made his own advantages and leveraged them perfectly at a place no one could win before him. You think Coach34 would win 55 every year at Vandy because they are Vandy. I’ve got to say — your username is perfect.
4 straight posts and 30 more paragraphs on something I was simply pointing out everyone being tired of your echo chamber on — something you just decided a week or two ago to start trying to understand — when you were called out for saying you wouldn’t want Corbin as our head coach — and I’m the *******. I simply think Corbin is an elite coach that has made his own advantages and leveraged them perfectly at a place no one could win before him. You think Coach34 would win 55 every year at Vandy because they are Vandy. I’ve got to say — your username is perfect.
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An article on how Corbin at Vandy has it better than Schlossnagle at another private institution, TCU:
http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article3831986.html
"For example, TCU outfielder Jerrick Suiter, who had a great year as a freshman, could have attended Vanderbilt, another private school that advanced to the CWS in 2011, and received the same amount of need-based and academic aid as he is getting at TCU with a substantial baseball scholarship.
But he would have been a "free player" at Vandy because he would have only cost the program at most, 25 percent of a full athletic scholarship, which is the minimum amount a student-athlete can be given. His academic aid at Vanderbilt would have equaled his athletic scholarship at TCU, allowing the Commodores coaches to use his baseball scholarship on another player. At TCU, the academic aid wasn't available, so Suiter, one of the top recruits in the nation a year ago, was given a substantial portion of a full athletic scholarship."
http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article3831986.html
"For example, TCU outfielder Jerrick Suiter, who had a great year as a freshman, could have attended Vanderbilt, another private school that advanced to the CWS in 2011, and received the same amount of need-based and academic aid as he is getting at TCU with a substantial baseball scholarship.
But he would have been a "free player" at Vandy because he would have only cost the program at most, 25 percent of a full athletic scholarship, which is the minimum amount a student-athlete can be given. His academic aid at Vanderbilt would have equaled his athletic scholarship at TCU, allowing the Commodores coaches to use his baseball scholarship on another player. At TCU, the academic aid wasn't available, so Suiter, one of the top recruits in the nation a year ago, was given a substantial portion of a full athletic scholarship."
That's true for any upper echelon private school. I knew a guy who had a really smart kid, and he went to Yale. The guy had to take second mortgages, other loans, etc., to pay for the tuition. And he was majoring in some obscure thing ... something like International Languages ... and when he graduated, he decided to go to grad school, at Brown. The guy had to file bankruptcy, and the kid decided to make a career in the Peace Corps, essentially volunteering his time and making no money to live off of. Generally, you can get scholarships and assistantships to grad schools, but apparently this kid did not.
From Vandy's own website:
https://giving.vanderbilt.edu/oppvu/
Starting in fall 2009, the university eliminated need-based loans in financial aid packages, replacing them with grants and scholarships. To ensure the ongoing success of this endeavor, Vanderbilt must continually grow the scholarship endowment. Scholarship endowment allows Vanderbilt to continue its commitment to need-blind admissions and to provide greater opportunities for talented students who cannot afford the full cost to attend Vanderbilt.
https://giving.vanderbilt.edu/oppvu/
Starting in fall 2009, the university eliminated need-based loans in financial aid packages, replacing them with grants and scholarships. To ensure the ongoing success of this endeavor, Vanderbilt must continually grow the scholarship endowment. Scholarship endowment allows Vanderbilt to continue its commitment to need-blind admissions and to provide greater opportunities for talented students who cannot afford the full cost to attend Vanderbilt.
Yes, you are the *******, and it is obvious to anyone without an agenda and willing to consider facts over opinion. You say you won't read what I have posted...but have no problem attacking what I have posted. Way to go for the informed opinion".***
I post qualified source-after-source, while you respond with nothing but your opinion and insults. I have yet to see you post anything that substantiates your position over mine.
For the record, I am not nearly alone in my opinion. Not that the correct answer is the majority one. Just pointing out yet another piece of BS...another example of you trying to claim substantiation based on message-board posts and/or likes. Newsflash....true substantiation does not rely on message board posts from similar-minded posters. That's less reliable than Wikipedia.
That short enough for you...*******?
I post qualified source-after-source, while you respond with nothing but your opinion and insults. I have yet to see you post anything that substantiates your position over mine.
For the record, I am not nearly alone in my opinion. Not that the correct answer is the majority one. Just pointing out yet another piece of BS...another example of you trying to claim substantiation based on message-board posts and/or likes. Newsflash....true substantiation does not rely on message board posts from similar-minded posters. That's less reliable than Wikipedia.
That short enough for you...*******?
So much BS in such a short post. for the umpteenth time:
I have posted Corbin is at least a very good coach.
I have posted Vandy's recruiting advantage could still be wasted by a poor coach.
I have said, of the 3 candidates mentioned, McDonnell by far, Schlossnagle a distant 2nd (though another poster convinced me Schloss is not a distant 2nd), and, "No thanks" to Corbin..not because I think he is not a great coach, but because we have no track record of him doing it at a school without a big recruiting advantage, thus he would be more of a gamble at any public university IMO than the other 2. I also pointed out most of Corbin's success at Vandy came after further scholarship restrictions at other schools. In his first 7 seasons, he got Vandy to 1 SR. In the 8 following the last rule change, he has been to 6 SR or CWS (3).
Short enough for you...*******?
I have posted Corbin is at least a very good coach.
I have posted Vandy's recruiting advantage could still be wasted by a poor coach.
I have said, of the 3 candidates mentioned, McDonnell by far, Schlossnagle a distant 2nd (though another poster convinced me Schloss is not a distant 2nd), and, "No thanks" to Corbin..not because I think he is not a great coach, but because we have no track record of him doing it at a school without a big recruiting advantage, thus he would be more of a gamble at any public university IMO than the other 2. I also pointed out most of Corbin's success at Vandy came after further scholarship restrictions at other schools. In his first 7 seasons, he got Vandy to 1 SR. In the 8 following the last rule change, he has been to 6 SR or CWS (3).
Short enough for you...*******?
“you either have to be really rich or really poor, .. OR A REALLY GOOD BASEBALL PLAYER .. to go to Vandy.”[/
Sabotage might be a strong word, but at the very least he became very defeated. As we now know Polk isn't above sulking and there might be a lot of truth here.
5 more back-to-back posts, 30 more paragraphs for me and everyone else to not read, while still arguing with yourself. Just tell me how many times you called me an ******* -- while finding your own opinion so important that it necessitates it's own new post 5 times in a row rather than editing all of your thoughts together like normal people do? But I'll defer to your opinion on ******** -- since you probably really are an expert on that topic.
Sorry I never actually joined your black panther party**
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But it is pretty funny that you find it necessary to start a little group under the pretense of no personal insults -- while spewing personal insults towards "all of the morons" on the main board constantly -- like you've AGAIN started with your namecalling here.
ETA: The worst part of all of this -- is it has totally derailed a thread on what would be the best/highest profile coaching hire in the past 25-30 years in college baseball. Maybe ever.
Sorry I never actually joined your black panther party**
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But it is pretty funny that you find it necessary to start a little group under the pretense of no personal insults -- while spewing personal insults towards "all of the morons" on the main board constantly -- like you've AGAIN started with your namecalling here.
ETA: The worst part of all of this -- is it has totally derailed a thread on what would be the best/highest profile coaching hire in the past 25-30 years in college baseball. Maybe ever.
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Ok, *******. I don't start with the insults. I do, however, respond to insults. Until you started being an *******, I treated you with respect.
Funny that you accuse me of demonstrating, "self-importance" in my posts (untrue..only an ******* would seek to read that in my posts), yet your obvious hostility toward many who disagree with you, and your willingness to start the BS is indicative of a person who truly is, "self-important" because you clearly can't stand it when someone stands up to you.
The other group I wanted to start was meant to be a place where we could escape this personal insult BS...it is not this group, where ******** like you roam free. It's like the old saying goes...don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
Enough with the,"you started it first" BS. I called you an ******* exactly because you started posting personally insulting BS...in other words, you were being an *******. Rather than simply disagree or ignore, you chose to get nasty.
What has derailed this thread is your BS. I challenge anyone to go back through it and see, prior to your BS post, where I attacked anyone, or did anything other than offer respectful debate.
But you...you strike me as the kind of arrogant ******* who is so sure he is the smartest guy in the room, and so wants it acknowledged that it really pisses you off when your opinion is not ultimately just accepted by everyone. In this debate you have offered your own opinion over and over while I have offered links to experts, provided quotes, offered factual evidence, etc. Your defense-mechanism is to say the 5 or fewer minutes it takes to read are too much for you.
You'd rather spend those precious minutes formulating your next insulting diatribe. No doubt you consider your time far more valuable than anyone else's here.Y
You don't want to read the links or quotes I posted? Fine. Some do say ignorance is bliss. God forbid you'd have to challenge the words of actual experts, rather than attack me personally.
Funny that you accuse me of demonstrating, "self-importance" in my posts (untrue..only an ******* would seek to read that in my posts), yet your obvious hostility toward many who disagree with you, and your willingness to start the BS is indicative of a person who truly is, "self-important" because you clearly can't stand it when someone stands up to you.
The other group I wanted to start was meant to be a place where we could escape this personal insult BS...it is not this group, where ******** like you roam free. It's like the old saying goes...don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
Enough with the,"you started it first" BS. I called you an ******* exactly because you started posting personally insulting BS...in other words, you were being an *******. Rather than simply disagree or ignore, you chose to get nasty.
What has derailed this thread is your BS. I challenge anyone to go back through it and see, prior to your BS post, where I attacked anyone, or did anything other than offer respectful debate.
But you...you strike me as the kind of arrogant ******* who is so sure he is the smartest guy in the room, and so wants it acknowledged that it really pisses you off when your opinion is not ultimately just accepted by everyone. In this debate you have offered your own opinion over and over while I have offered links to experts, provided quotes, offered factual evidence, etc. Your defense-mechanism is to say the 5 or fewer minutes it takes to read are too much for you.
You'd rather spend those precious minutes formulating your next insulting diatribe. No doubt you consider your time far more valuable than anyone else's here.Y
You don't want to read the links or quotes I posted? Fine. Some do say ignorance is bliss. God forbid you'd have to challenge the words of actual experts, rather than attack me personally.
BTW, for the fun of it, I timed how long it took to read the above. A slow reader might take a little over a minute, perhaps 10 seconds longer than your previous post, if that. But do tell me again how I've posted a novel so lengthy you couldn't possibly be bothered to actually read it before forming an educated response.
Also, I'll remind you of a time on another board where I "insulted you in retaliation", got an insulting reply from you showing I'd accused you of something another poster had done, and I simply accepted fault and apologized publicly and privately to you.
That's what men of character do, Engie.
That's what men of character do, Engie.
Edited from earlier response where I got something wrong.
True. Good catch. At one point Collins makes that mistake. Later in the article, they are talking about going up against some public schools that have enhanced their ability by offering significant additional scholarships through programs like, "HOPE" in Georgia, and mention GT as one of those. He also mentioned GT also has a $1.8 billion endowment.
True. Good catch. At one point Collins makes that mistake. Later in the article, they are talking about going up against some public schools that have enhanced their ability by offering significant additional scholarships through programs like, "HOPE" in Georgia, and mention GT as one of those. He also mentioned GT also has a $1.8 billion endowment.
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