Well saidThanks for the (incorrect) vocabulary lesson professor.
"Objectively" what the whole discussion boils down to is should one person be able to "choose" to kill another person who has no say in the matter. I agree women should make that choice for themselves (and hope they choose not to). Just face the fact you are killing a human being. All the "clump of cells" nonsense is just that. Nonsense.
Take all of the extenuating circumstances discussed here(ectopic, rape, incest, danger to life of woman,etc). Agree to include them in any legislation. Then ask the protesters if it would be acceptable. I guarantee you not one will say yes. It's all bull$h!t.
They don't care because most of those killed are poor, black, brown or some combination. Millions every year. They purposely build the facilities in those areas. Then have the balls to call pro life folks racist for interfereing with "reproductive healthcare" for minorities and poor. I'd say erasing millions of poor black and brown folks is racist AF. But what do I know. I can't even figure out what objective means.
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Still waiting for the Kennedy-type liberals to defend actual liberalism against the marxist agitators. Winning Pelosi the Speaker's chair and having a nominal Dem in the White House is just not worth surrendering the party to the fringe and just voting to keep the other guys out. Maybe they think once they have a permanent majority they can isolate and ignore the loony fringe... but they shouldn't bet on that. Traditional liberalism has controlled modern government more often than not... why is that not good enough for them? Compete with ideas and respect for the Constitution.It’s been a hoot watching/listening to lefty/Marxist’s lose their mind over some dudes personal opinion!
so satisfying!
Talk about being devoid of self-awareness.
Ironic thread.
Five pages of males deciding for a woman if she should have the freedom to choose what to do with her body and whatever’s inside it or if a woman’s body is community property over which others may choose what she can/cannot do with it.
Everybody has a right to have an opinion except the pregnant woman, it seems.
Five pages of males deciding for a woman if she should have the freedom to choose what to do with her body and whatever’s inside it or if a woman’s body is community property over which others may choose what she can/cannot do with it.
Everybody has a right to have an opinion except the pregnant woman, it seems.
That report your provided was quite interesting... they have these charts about so many countries providing abortion "upon request".. without mentioning how many weeks of that pregnancy that request can be made.
Check the list here... it simply isn't as simple as you, and that document, implies.
The chart here shows 92% of US abortions happen during the first trimester.. 13 weeks. And 43% in the first 6 weeks. ALL seem to happen by the 24th week.. and many states have 24-week limits. I'd assume if that were lowered to some other number of weeks, then that would become the number where all abortions occur.
We'll have to see how these abortion bans in a few states will play out...whether the State's politicians will suffer defeats based on supporting outright bans rather than limiting access to the early weeks.
But many states have more liberal politics than European nations allow and that runs counter to what your response implied.
Wife's friend is an OBGYN. She made a comment recently that often times you see the claim men telling women what to do with their bodies.
But she said that's really not the issue. The issue is politicians mostly with no medical training or experience making what in some cases is medical policy.
And that's going to be a problem. When it comes to situations where a state may allow an abortion in a situation to save the mother, doctors have to make split second decisions. Are these red states going to write the laws so that it specifically lays out the standards and medical conditions that qualify for saving a mother? Likely not.
So what you have done is potentially paralyze OBGYNs. If you are an OBGYN in one of these states and a mother presents to you and is in distress where aborting the fetus might be the only way to save her life, what are you going to do? The law isn't clear enough to give you the latitude to perform the abortion with potential criminal charges. So now you've injected politics into what should be a medical decision.
Are states going to give wide latitude to doctors or are they going to micromanage this? Is a state going to give the benefit of the doubt to a doctor or are they going to make sure to punish that doctor if they don't agree with his or her medical decision?
But she said that's really not the issue. The issue is politicians mostly with no medical training or experience making what in some cases is medical policy.
And that's going to be a problem. When it comes to situations where a state may allow an abortion in a situation to save the mother, doctors have to make split second decisions. Are these red states going to write the laws so that it specifically lays out the standards and medical conditions that qualify for saving a mother? Likely not.
So what you have done is potentially paralyze OBGYNs. If you are an OBGYN in one of these states and a mother presents to you and is in distress where aborting the fetus might be the only way to save her life, what are you going to do? The law isn't clear enough to give you the latitude to perform the abortion with potential criminal charges. So now you've injected politics into what should be a medical decision.
Are states going to give wide latitude to doctors or are they going to micromanage this? Is a state going to give the benefit of the doubt to a doctor or are they going to make sure to punish that doctor if they don't agree with his or her medical decision?
Actually I never said a woman doesn’t have a right of choice. I do believe however the unborn fetus , with a beating heart and feeding inside the womb has a right to survive. That is where the distinction of what constitutes life is argued.
I'll bet you're a okay with the federal government and private companies forcing people to take an experimental gene therapy shot or not be able to provide for their family.
I don’t support any kind of control of our bodies from the government. What about you?
Just not woman’s rights
Old crusty men trying to hold on to any control they can and playing it off as they actually care about these random embryos, hilarious
When there is a 35 week fetus involved I do. And since, outside of China, about half are female I don't think it's crusty old men advocating male dominance.
Nobody is talking about late stage abortions without extenuating circumstances in here. Even in those cases I don’t love the government telling us what to do with our bodies, but I get it.
Me neither. Like I don't want government sanctioned murder of innocent babies. It's not choice anymore. It's just about infanticide.
You're just a serial killer by proxy. Enabling monsters like Kermit Gosnell.
I've struggled morally with the abortion issue since it was introduced to me in 9th grade health class. I understand that having an unwanted child often imposes a tremendous hardship on young people, but I also understand that an abortion destroy's an individual's right to be born and live. After almost 50 years of pondering the question of abortion rights, I am no closer to resolving this moral delemna.
TIL that taking the morning after pill is murder
The dramatics!
Also, you’re a hypocrite.
You're really not bright. In a discussion that focuses soley on women's rights, you see a tree and no forest. Either smarten up or let the adults talkJust not woman’s rights
Old crusty men trying to hold on to any control they can and playing it off as they actually care about these random embryos, hilarious
If anything comes from 2022, its that everyone gets to see just how psychotic the left is in their pursuit to murder.
Fat, gross, post menopausal womyn with no children scream the loudest about killing other people's babies.
First, congratulations are in order because that’s the dumbest pseudo-analogy I’ve seen in a long time.
Second, private corporations can do what they want. What sort of socialist attitude makes you think otherwise? You want government to step in and dictate to private businesses how those businesses safeguard their employees because of your personal irrational paranoia of vaccines? People are 100% free to go find an equally irrationally paranoid company to work for so they can provide for their families without sacrificing their quivering fear over getting a shot. Freedom is great that way. Work for whom you wish.
Third, the federal government has been forcing vaccines on government employees for a very long time, long before COVID came along. Apparently you never served in the military. You’d have to be amongst the most anti-American of people ever to want our fighting men and women to die from diseases when sent off to war. Don’t like it? Don’t get a government job. Freedom of choice.
Nobody has to get a vaccine. Everybody has a choice to work for whomever they wish. Nobody owes you a job. Have a little sense of personal responsibility.
Okay dipshit...https://www.ft.com/content/d9eb2e1f-965f-462c-bfcd-ca4339cb5ca9
"The Biden administration will demand that US companies force employees to be vaccinated against Covid-19 or submit to weekly testing as part of a plan designed to curb the rapid spread of the Delta variant."
Yeah. That didn't happen.
It actually didn't happen, mushbrain. I know tons of people who haven't been vaccinated. Nobody forced me to get vaccinated. Hell, I know people working as healthcare providers who didn't get vaccinated.
Trump, Biden and all presidents demand all sorts of silly crap that never happens. Try not to be so easily propagandized.
And your inapt analogy is STILL moronic. Got anything else to you want to be completely wrong about?
Except didn't most of the mandates eventually get shot down and were left to private companies to decide what they wanted to do? The Biden admin tried to use OSHA to extend mandates and it failed. So companies were left to do what they wanted which is how it should be.
But you also think the covid vaccine was gene therapy so I am not sure there can be an honest discussion with you on this topic.
Except companies jumped on his threat and forced employees to get vaxxed. Also how about the military forcing vaccines on their employees? Forcing companies with government contracts to force employees to be vaxxed. You're just an argumentative idiot.
"My body my choice" is about as apropos an argument as there is. Except in the case of vaxxes it was true and in the case of abortions it isn't. Should be "Our bodies my choice".
BTW 5 guys made up Roe v Wade from whole cloth and 4 guys and 1 woman undid the idiocy. So your initial argument was wrong. Dummy.
You know more than this guy...https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/vaccine/bayer-president-the-mrna-vaccines-are-gene-therapy/
Two posts and your blood-pressure is already into dangerous territory.
I didn't say anything about SCOTUS composition, I said in this thread. Wasn't enough you demonstrated an IQ of around 80 with your ****** analogy. Now you're demonstrating a first graders reading comprehension. Good work.
Try not to be such a snowflake. SCOTUS got the recent gun decision correct (because freedom) and the abortion decision wrong (because anti-freedom). You can try to argue that all day long by bringing up all the ****** analogies you can find in your right-to-birther anti-vaxxer chain emails. You're still gonna be wrong every time.
This is fun. It's not so often I get to argue with someone who is never right about anything.
I mean, no offense, but your posts in this thread make it pretty clear you could benefit greatly from some gene therapy. Go get yourself some for free at the vaccine clinic.
All the SC did was take a ridiculous, made up right found nowhere in the constitution and sent the power back to the states. Where it belongs.Two posts and your blood-pressure is already into dangerous territory.
I didn't say anything about SCOTUS composition, I said in this thread. Wasn't enough you demonstrated an IQ of around 80 with your ****** analogy. Now you're demonstrating a first graders reading comprehension. Good work.
Try not to be such a snowflake. SCOTUS got the recent gun decision correct (because freedom) and the abortion decision wrong (because anti-freedom). You can try to argue that all day long by bringing up all the ****** analogies you can find in your right-to-birther anti-vaxxer chain emails. You're still gonna be wrong every time.
This is fun. It's not so often I get to argue with someone who is never right about anything.
Lunatics like you are just upset that you can't have government sanctioned murder in 25 states. Lucky for you, you live in a state where your wet dreams of baby killing by proxy can be fulfilled.
My blood pressure is fine. I come here to talk sports. Every once in a while sickos like you think abortion is a sport, so I engage your idiocy for a short time. Then I just ignore you and go back to real sports.
Enjoy.
Nope.
Right wingers/anti-vaxxers misconstrued what he said and then spread the misinformation on social media. His point was that with the acceptance of mRNA vaccines eventually people will be become more accepting of innovations in medicine like gene therapies that are being developed. He didn't say COVID vaccines are gene therapy.
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Never seen someone so obsessed with other people’s embryos. Red states will slowly unwind their sharia law and allow abortions in certain cases because luckily there aren’t too many wackjobs like you. Can’t wait to watch your blood boil as that happens. In the meantime you should think about volunteering in the foster care system, put all that angry energy towards something good.A woman has the freedom to do whatever she wants with her body. But this problem is not only about her body. It also involves a man’s reproductive rights and the baby’s rights.
You can find multiple fact checks on this. This doesn't even include the thousands of experts that will tell you, no, the COVID vaccine was not gene therapy. Shoot, anyone with a computer, Google and some basic intelligence that can read how mRNA vaccines work would realize it's not gene therapy.
But I get it, you far right wingers are often long on conspiracies, short on facts.
Ah, so you’re opposed to the taking of human life. Opposed to war, too, right? I bet you go out and march when cops shoot and kill some innocent person.
And I didn’t give my opinion on abortion. Not only have your posts ITT demonstrated low IQ and deficiencies in reading comprehension, you’re hallucinating now too. Like I said, this is fun.
If you cared even a little about freedom, then you’d realize that neither your opinion on abortion, nor mine, nor that of some other pregnant woman, is relevant to what an individual pregnant woman decides to do with her body.
But you don’t care about freedom. You don’t care about life. You just care about imposing your beliefs on others.
That’s what makes the world go round and round . Just realized your not a man but a woman .Just not woman’s rights
Old crusty men trying to hold on to any control they can and playing it off as they actually care about these random embryos, hilarious
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