Jerry on Hines
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The moment free agency combined with NIL came into existence and without guard rails SHU was doomed.
We’re doomed because leadership either can’t—or doesn’t want to—adapt.
Somehow I think we should have broken the bank to keep Hines. He is a once-in-a-generation talent that we needed to keep. Letting him go seems like a huge mistake.
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The only thing is that if not this year, he would have left next year. It’s how it’s done everywhere now. He might even leave UConn for somewhere else. It’s now more normal than staying at the same place.
Agree better him than some kid who studies to be a doctor or attorney. Makes perfect sense. Assuming you are joking right.Good for him - gets 3.5-5MM - He worked his *** off everyday since he was a little kid. He earned it. Better he has the $$$ instead of some rich prick.
He did tho. If you watched the games he was dominant especially if you sat courtside. He would clear out the whole paint. It was coaching malpractice having him come off the bench the whole year. He will be an All American at UConn. Horrible job by Sha here
Isn't he now a rich prick?Better he has the $$$ instead of some rich prick.
I agree in spirit, but I gotta counsel. Giving 4.5 million to one player who only averaged 5ppg and couldn't stay on the floor due to supposed conditioning issues would leave us with only 3.5 million approximately to spread around to other players.
If a decent Big East starter is going for 1-2 million or more depending on position, then its hard to image us being able to surround Hines with enough talent to even make our investment in him worthwhile.
Getting a capable pg might cost 2.5 or more by itself. That's basically two players for that 8 million.
How do we fill out a competitive team with the scraps we'd have left?
We have 8 million to spend, give or take. UConn probably has 15-20.
None of our 8 and none of their 15-20 is gonna go toward kids studying to be doctors or attorneys no matter what Hines does.
Weird take.
How did UConn get him for $3.5 million?
I think, on an institutional level, we should have marshaled all resources possible to keep Hines and field a decent team around him. I think it would have been a good investment.
I doubt Hines wanted to stay after how he was used last year. If I was his agent, I would have advised him to take less money to play elsewhere. But if he would have considered staying, and we didn’t do absolutely everything possible to have the highest offer on the table (including increasing the budget), shame on us.
I agree with the last sentence, but I don't think he was mis-used. Holloway isn't a fool -- he's not going to sit "our best player" to spite himself. Near the end of the season and the BET, he increased his utilization and you could see him huffing and putting his hands on his knees -- in the last 2 weeks of the season. And his agent wasn't recommending he take any less than all he could get.
Probably on to his fourth school the way things are now.
and looking to get a 5th year of eligibility.
Not saying he’s a fool, I just think he had a blind spot for Najai. I don’t buy the out of shape stuff. He looked fine and his numbers got better with increased minutes. Playing him behind an injured Steph Payne was pretty bad. Giving his minutes to Godswill against Creighton and Providence was a slap in the face.
I do think there’s a possibility Shaheen had
a legitimate reason that we dont know about for not playing him more. Maybe he was di*king around in practice. Or maybe Shaheen knew he was leaving regardless. If that’s the case, I’ll take the L.
He wasn’t out of shape at all. Played 30 mins vs UConn and put up a double double as he dominated Tarris Reed who was one of the best bigs in the country. Hines could’ve done that all year long play 30+ and we dance easy. Coach had him tied to the bench. You need to think for yourself and not just listen to a fake narrative. Do some self reflecting and use your brain instead of just regurgitating nonsense to back the coach blindly who doesn’t even know or care about you
I’m perfectly fine allocating the money that was going to Hines for a good backcourt…. But who are we kidding Holloway will spend on 5 players the same skill level in the backcourt instead of getting 2 big east starting caliber players and backups
Yep. It meant more than just keeping a top player. He was homegrown, Played a premium position and would allow the program to market him and engage fans and allow us to believe we could compete.
Now it’s 12 new guys that nobody will know about. 12 guys that nobody knows will play well or not.
Patrick Ewing used to pour sweat during pregame layup lines during his prime with the Knicks. I guess he was out of shape and unable to play well either.
Has 3.5 been confirmed? I know he was asking 4.5-5.
But even if 3.5 is the number, still not confident he would stay here. We have no consistent history of developing bigs for the next level, and as you saw clearly this year, we have no plans or execution to make entry passes to the post. UConn is masterful at that, and he saw firsthand how they used Reed a similar player in March.
I’d go to UConn too.
I don't buy the $3.5 number, but maybe it is the number. I'm also not sure even our best insiders here will get the real number because this one puts them between somewhat of a rock and a hard place given where he landed.
Perhaps Sha saw the writing on the wall in December/January when UCONN was already poking around.
That still doesn't justify underusing him if it would help us win games.
It’s not as if Sha was deferring to another developable player. He used Payne who was an injured senior not eligible to return.
He should have gotten his moneys worth from Hines knowing he was leaving anyway.
And 12 guys the students don't care to go see and hence the low student turnout at games. Probably many on this board are feeling the same way too.
What on earth does that have to do with the example of "huffing and puffing and putting his hands on his knees"? This is the most visible signal of fatigue/exhaustion. Sweating means he's hot. A person sitting in a sauna sweats, so he must be gassed? Jeez...
You’re right. Bricks for hands Payne was better. Good thing we kept a guy the best program in the nation this decade made their top priority on the bench. We’re fine. Plenty of 6’10 260 pound guys begging to play for us.
That also has nothing whatsoever to do with anything I said. Maybe take a deep breath or count to ten instead of lashing out at people with non-sequiturs.
We are going to have 10 guys making the same
Amount in NIL aren’t we because our coach has some frigging issue with paying players
Amount in NIL aren’t we because our coach has some frigging issue with paying players
Do you still think that is an issue? Honest question
I thought he got over that tbh
In all honesty what makes you think that. Here’s how I envision Sha negotiating
Sha: come play for me I’m offering you $250k an you gotta earn your minutes and bust your ***
player : I’m looking for $600k
sha: ok good talk let me know if anything changes
Well that’s different than saying he wants 10 players making the same
Your example is just him being stingy
Honestly we all know how Shaheen likes to play, he’d rather go 10 deep than have legit big east quality starters. He will find his dawgs and will sacrifice not paying up for starters to have more money to get guys 8-10 who can give some minutes.
he’s afraid to give top quality starters money because he won’t have that depth… it’s obvious
Oh wow wonder who we will spend on. Guess we might take leftovers from NJIT or FDU. Bro you need to spend money with NIL. It's like in European football. You need to spend money to win though wisely. Thing is we aren't even trying to spend our money.
You are far off. He clearly was out of shape at several times during the season including during the Big East tournament. He was clearly out of breath and leaning against the Creighton players in the Thursday game. Any team with a mobile big man gave him fits on defense. I think Sha made many mistakes but this is not one of them. Maybe he should have flipped Payne and Hines starting roles mid-season but Hines was foul prone much of the season