It’s not simple. It might be simple in your mind, but it’s not so simple for the team sport the school would have to get rid of to afford to pay the big money sports. Football & basketball are really the only sports that make money. They make it to where the school can have the other sports. Those sports will go away if the school has to pay the athletes.
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What happens when a big dollar booster at any university “guarantees” a certain % of sales if you come to ABC University? You don’t think this will be abused?
If the kid doesn’t like the current system, go to the G League, go oversees or better yet people like Jay Bilas can shut the EFF up until they put up the capital to build the infrastructure to form a different alternative.
Meanwhile Bilas sits on the mountain of cash he has gotten from the “system” he so despises.
If the FBI probe has shown us anything it's that a market already exists for these players for endorsements. It would be naive to believe that Brian Bowen was the only player taking shoe company money. It's pretty clear that Marvin Bagley's family was on the take as well.
The solution would seem to be that if Adidas wants to pay Brian Bowen $100k, then let Adidas and the Bowen family officially sign that deal and still retain his eligibility. Same with the Bagleys, and the Reddish family, and the Barrett family, and the Williamson family. It's already happening, and has been for years. There is no Title IX implication here, and it doesn't tip the competitive balance any more than where it is already. Let's just legitimize the black market. Let the kids make money of their name, image, and likeness. The NCAA has no problem making money off their efforts, just extend the same courtesy to the kids.
The solution would seem to be that if Adidas wants to pay Brian Bowen $100k, then let Adidas and the Bowen family officially sign that deal and still retain his eligibility. Same with the Bagleys, and the Reddish family, and the Barrett family, and the Williamson family. It's already happening, and has been for years. There is no Title IX implication here, and it doesn't tip the competitive balance any more than where it is already. Let's just legitimize the black market. Let the kids make money of their name, image, and likeness. The NCAA has no problem making money off their efforts, just extend the same courtesy to the kids.
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Allowing collegiate athletes to own their own image has nothing to do with Title IX. Title IX affects what the school may do for the athlete, requires that the school must treat them all equally. Allowing college athletes to hold autograph signing sessions costs the school $0, affects title IX in exactly 0 ways.
Wrong!
Title IX has zero to do with revenues, only equal treatment.
As posted earlier, simply allow athletes to own their own image and to be able to profit from that image. Sell ads, sign autographs, etc. Sydney McLaughlin who runs track for UK could probably earn more than any other athlete at UK.
Once the pay to b'ball and foosball players begins, gubment will determine it is not fair. then, all athletes must receive a stipend. Since most schools lose $$$ on athletic departments, the losses then mount, and only a few will have sports of any kind.
Also, allowing players to sell autographs, shirts, etc--sound great. But, who determines the fair market value for any item? So, a top notch player is considering 3 major schools, and each allows the athlete to sell "stuff". Who determines how much can be earned from selling the stuff?
So, "stuff" at school A can sell for $100/unit, but school B says the STUFF can sell for $1000/unit. It is obvious which school will eventually get the super players.
Big donors will merely pay huge $$$ for "stuff" to assure the right players end up at their school.
Ok St has Pickens, Arkansas has Wall family, Oregon has Nike, puke has the northeast elitists, ucla has plenty of "gilberts", and UK has horse $$$!!
Imagine autographs selling for $1,000, and shirts the same.
Paying a stipend will be challenged by the gubment. Selling "stuff" will create a market place for players beyond belief. If $100,000 is offered to the player that had to leave smell--imagine the VALUE of Wiseman, etc?
Pay for play is a tough nut to crack--unless the gubment will stay away and end the requirements of title 9.
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Also, allowing players to sell autographs, shirts, etc--sound great. But, who determines the fair market value for any item? So, a top notch player is considering 3 major schools, and each allows the athlete to sell "stuff". Who determines how much can be earned from selling the stuff?
So, "stuff" at school A can sell for $100/unit, but school B says the STUFF can sell for $1000/unit. It is obvious which school will eventually get the super players.
Big donors will merely pay huge $$$ for "stuff" to assure the right players end up at their school.
Ok St has Pickens, Arkansas has Wall family, Oregon has Nike, puke has the northeast elitists, ucla has plenty of "gilberts", and UK has horse $$$!!
Imagine autographs selling for $1,000, and shirts the same.
Paying a stipend will be challenged by the gubment. Selling "stuff" will create a market place for players beyond belief. If $100,000 is offered to the player that had to leave smell--imagine the VALUE of Wiseman, etc?
Pay for play is a tough nut to crack--unless the gubment will stay away and end the requirements of title 9.
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That’s why most of us are for the free market to decide. A sports shop can bring an athlete and let folks decide who they want to spend their money on.
I think there should be limitations like no endorsing alcohol or politics, but other than that...
And it would give an FU to Title 9
Who decides fair market value? The market.
Sure, big donors could pay big sums for items...that's the market.
Athletes would have to report earnings and pay taxes on their earnings just like everyone else.
Really pretty simple.
The NCAA does not have to do anything. If you break the rules, they can nail you. You are compensated for playing college basketball, and if you don't agree with those terms, don't play. You have many options on the table, even protesting the NBA age limit rule for an entire year. It's their problem.
I don't even entertain this idea anymore because some are so extreme it cannot even be considered. They will ruin the game and don't care. I'll stand away from that crowd.
I don't even entertain this idea anymore because some are so extreme it cannot even be considered. They will ruin the game and don't care. I'll stand away from that crowd.
It is truly remarkable how people can create imaginary problems with allowing players to market themselves.
They want to cap what they can make. Whether it's at the value of the scholarship, or some imaginary cap on endorsements, autographs, etc. Why should we cap anything? Why does the "amateurism is awesome" group care so deeply about prohibiting payments. These kids are already marketed like pros by the colleges and the NCAA. Everyone around them is compensated like pros. Only the players are prohibited from earning their potential.
If Tyler Herro hits a 3-pointer how would the fact that also gets to sell his autograph make that shot any less enjoyable?
look, im all for College being all about everything the NBA is not. It is a shame the NCAA makes Billions off the backs of kids that don't see 1 cent.
Coaches make millions on the side for being with Nike, UA ect. Coaches can pick up and leave to Any school whenever , kids can't. Can you Honestly not see the Hypocrisy in all that?
Of course I see the hypocrisy. Let’s be honest. Do you not see the hypocrisy in the whole 1 and done? College athletics ceased being about college decades ago. It is about the money.
I cannot stand when people whine about someone taking advantage of these kids. These kids are using the system as well. This whole free market argument is crap in my eyes. It is only free market to some complainers once someone else established the infrastructure, took the risk, built the stadiums etc. How dare those people want a return?
If the kids/parents don’t like it, build a new system but quit whining that you are not getting enough of something someone else built. If these people think their talent alone is why we watch, what generates the revenue, then grow a pair and build a new alternative.
If getting that kid is that important to that booster, who cares? How is that different than offering a coach millions to come to your school?
Bilas is paid by ESPN. What does how much he gets paid have to do with anything? Bilas knows "the system", Bilas has lived "the system" and observes that everyone is making $$ except the people who other people pay to watch. Those facts give his opinion more credence on the matter.
Because he acts so offended but has no issue making money from his company who profits off the system he despises.
Either you have ethics or you don’t but don’t stand on a soapbox constantly whining yet participating/profiting.
Give me a break! Tell me how much "risk" Mitch Barnhart, Mark Stoops or Cal took to establish the infrastructure and build the stadiums and arenas? How much risk did Tommy Turtleneck, Slick Rick or Bad boy Bobby take at UL? They all sign contracts that pay them for their service and guarantees that they will get paid if they are let go without cause. The infrastructure was built by taxpayers, ticket buyers and people who willingly contributed to those causes including myself.
If Joe Blow wants to pay some kid $100,000 to come to his school how did that affect you or anyone else?
What you say makes no sense. If Bilas quit ESPN tomorrow they would simply hire someone else to take his place. What Bilas makes has zero effect on what UK or any other school makes. Bilas is effectively paid by the advertisers of ESPN.
One can love the game but not like aspects that surround the game.
He is saying that they should get paid just like he is paid. He would be hypocritical if he was saying he should be paid but the players shouldn't.
I mean to say, in truth, I don't have all the facts, you know way more about it then me, I just thought if an institution makes billions off kids, I could see a kid wanting to see something money wise . But in truth I don't know the whole story so I have no dog in the fight.
It's not that simple, nor accurate. Don't drink the poison if you love the game. The end goal is to tear the system down and rebuilt it under a professional model. Don't give them an inch or they will take the mile. This is the only goal, they just mislead people into taking the plunge.
The University took the risk. If no risk, why doesn’t every university have a Rupp Arena and invest hundreds of millions of dollars in facilities and staff? The Universities get paid and they protect their investments by hiring ADs/coaches and others to provide the return. The top notch athletes are not going to Joe Blow University because of their cracker box gym and their part time coach.
If no risk in that get 9 other guys together go form a league, offer the salaries you suggest, get the tv contacts, take on the debt and make it happen all so you can distribute as you see fair.
Exactly, people are advocating for what already exists-a professional league. I am watching and supporting the team fielded by the University of Kentucky. If the best of the best go to a pro league, guess what, I am still supporting the University of Kentucky.
Well, Mitch took a risk by jumping into a highly competitive field that had nothing to do with God given physical gifts. He has a graduate degree, and he worked his way to where he is. Cal was a nobody who, instead of settling down and using his degree, went to clinics and took volunteer staff positions to work his way to the top through hard work. Neither cried that they deserved it at 17 and the entire system needs to be shot down and revamped. So that pitch simply wont work.
I was open to some sort of future options, like placing the agent money/whatever in a trust until they leave, but after seeing so many who simply want an open policy with no rules and regulations, no thanks. I reject it all, they can play college ball and be awarded the 10's of thousands of dollars in education, room, travel, stipend, etc or they can go to the G league or overseas. They can even sit out and be evaluated all year long and sign autographs and get endorsement deals while training.
So do we pay all athletes? Some schools would have to cancel scholarships to the lower sports to make up the money they would be paying other athletes. In turn, some kids wouldn’t receive a scholarship and couldn’t attend college - better think this one through.
We lost nothing by Lebron James skipping college.
It makes perfect sense. He takes money from the system he despises. If he were not a hypocrite he would walk away from the model he contributes to instead of being a ***** for the money. He would rather be sanctimonious and scream as his paycheck is direct deposited.
Does he give two ***** about making less so all the camera men can make more? Of course not.
People are so slow on these things, or know exactly what's going on.
ESPN has turned the issue into an ideological one. This has become a grievance play, notice the comparisons to "slavery".
It's not about what's best for anyone, it's about tearing down an old system and replacing it with something more modern and progressive. That's it, that's the story. There's really nothing else to it at the top.
Bilas works for ESPN, he's their hatchet man. He's doing what he's told to do by the people who run the network. And I cited their agenda above.
I love college basketball and want all of these misfits to be shown the door.
They don't think things through, in their world everything they propose forms a utopia, where all is free and fair.
And then the world has to deal with the consequences they cant accept.
Because womens basketball is horrid? An 0-30 Men's DII team would whip the best womens team.
I’m fine cancelling sports that don’t make money. Why should they get handouts? Pay the players who generate revenue.
What the hell are you talking about doofy? The stipend is based on cost of attendance like I explained to you already. Each school determines their own cost of attendance like I explained to you already, so some get a little more some get less like I explained to you already. No, it's not across the board like I explained to you already, all power 5 teams do it and whoever else can afford it and chooses to pay the stipend like I explained to you already. Man, you really need to keep up.
As for Rupp, the city of Lexington "took the risk"...or more so, the taxpayers of Lexington and those who bought the bonds that were used to build it. Their return was fixed, not dependent upon performance of the team.
Every university doesn't have the same facilities because they don't all have the same resources or priorities. The Ivy League schools have orders of magnitude more money than UK but they don't have the demand nor desire to use those resources in that manner.
Taking risks means that if the program starts losing money that creditors are going to come after the assets of the coaches and administrators. They might lose their jobs but they aren't risking anything any more than any employee risks at their job. Nobody in college athletics is taking on personal debt or taking personal risk.
Dude, a very small handful of universities make ANYTHING off of athletics. Three fourths of UK student athletes play non-revenue sports. If it was about protecting investments then why have them? Zero high schools make money from sports, why have them?
Also when it comes to resources, there are a 100 schools out there with more resources, deeper pockets than UK.
Admit what scares you is that Joe Blow University has a billionaire alum that decides he wants to put together the greatest team ever and goes out and offers the best coach and best players more than they will ever make in the NBA to come to his "cracker box" and play.
If the players stay and graduate, they will have a college education which should help them earn a nice living. That degree cost them only time and work not thousands and thousands of dollars. Not all who leave early will make it into the big show. Those who do and save and invest there money wisely should be set for live. I'm one of those old farts who believe in an college degree.