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He’s been retweeting a lot of Oklahoma stuff on twitter and even changed his Bio and profile picture. What’s the deal with him?
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Yeah but he’s supposed to be our lead recruiter. We can’t have him flirting.
True. I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Prolly looking for some attention, making sure he isn’t forgotten about.
A better question would be what is the deal with you getting worked up over what some HS kid puts on Twitter.
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Say what you want, but when our biggest recruiter changes his bio about being a Mississippi State commit, starts tweeting Oklahoma things, then it’s a concern. If you want to keep your head in the sand then by all means go ahead. If it was any other recruit I wouldn’t care, but Jarrian has been labeled our biggest recruiter and it’s not a good look.
It’s not any kind of “look” good or bad. We will get who we get. Our coaching staff will lose some and gain some. But you seem to be hooked like a fish. Do yourself a favor and stop paying attention to that ****. You aren’t alone though. Plenty of fans get caught up in it. It’s just not worth the time.
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You’re probably right. But recruiting is a big deal. I hate it when fans downplay the importance of it. It’s the lifeblood of a program. If you look at the past 20 National Champions, their recruiting classes were top 15. That’s where we have to be in order to get to where we want to be. So I don’t think it’s as easy as “don’t worry about it”. I want to be at the top so I am worried about it.
Ok here is the deal. He is a high school student who really likes social media and is probably addicted to attention.
We are in the dog days of summer, he still has a season of high school left to play, he is trying to impress as many females as possible and he will keep retweeting stuff up until he signs.
I understand he is supposedly recruiting for MSU but lets not get carried away with speculation in July.
Dog and tail...which wags which?
Keeping in mind that after all of Ole Miss's cheating, their overall team talent ranking peaked at #15.
That's not on the immediate horizon for us in the numbers. Sorry. Let's walk before we run. If the numbers reflect top 15 talent for us, we are easily top 7-8 given how our guys get criminally under-ranked 5-6 times per class.
Instead of worrying about the last 15 national champions, let's focus on the last 55 SEC champions that all came from the 6 traditional powers. Every single one. It's a long climb and one comes before the other.
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Recruiting may be important, but recruiting rankings in a vacuum are fairly meaningless and the recruitment of any one player is almost always very meaningless. The people who rank players are probably less adept at it than the coaches themselves and getting emotionally wrapped up in where any given 18 year old unrelated to you decides to go to college seems like a sad hobby.
Following recruiting is probably almost as sad as getting emotionally wrapped up in what a team of 18-22 year olds with no relation to you does, but I’ve already gotten hooked on that; I don’t need another such hobby.
I’d rather have a better overall recruiting ranking, but I refuse to spend much time caring where a single player goes. And, ultimately I care about results on the field, not some made up recruiting ranking.
Following recruiting is probably almost as sad as getting emotionally wrapped up in what a team of 18-22 year olds with no relation to you does, but I’ve already gotten hooked on that; I don’t need another such hobby.
I’d rather have a better overall recruiting ranking, but I refuse to spend much time caring where a single player goes. And, ultimately I care about results on the field, not some made up recruiting ranking.
Funny thing is though when we do get a good recruiting class all you naysayers about recruiting not being important get all worked up about our great recruiting class. As for me, I’ll take a great recruiting class every time. After all, doesn’t everyone say that Saban isn’t just some great coach but he just recruits better and has better players than everyone else? I don’t care how good of coaching a school has if you don’t have the hosses then you’re likely to be a good but not great program.
I know I don’t speak for everyone, but I’d rather have a higher ranked class. Even so, I refuse to follow it closely or get worked up about any one recruit. I care about wins on the field, period. I don’t care what some random service says we did in recruiting.
He's already committed and decommitted once, so I wouldn't be surprised if he does it again. That alone tells you he's a bit of a loose canon. He seems to be on social media all the time tweeting stuff out and likes the attention. Who knows what's going on in his head? I wouldn't worry about it until signing day because he's back and forth. This is why you don't brag about recruiting rankings and talk about how bad other people are at recruiting until it's all said and done after signing day.
This is the very reason that commitments mean absolutely nothing. Until that dotted line is signed then nothing is certain.
I think I speak for everyone when I say stop 17ing following 17 year old kids on twitter. Recruit, non recruit, doesn’t matters. It’s creepy.
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No it’s not. It’s the lifeblood of a football program. Tweeting at them? Yes, that’s not cool. But to follow them, no. It’s apart of it. You people who keep downplaying recruiting, saying it’s creepy to see what a 17 year old is doing, that recruiting rankings don’t matter etc, seriously have your head in the sand. Recruiting is #1. When things are going good in recruiting y’all wanna jump on the wagon and poke your chest out, but when someone questions a recruits actions, it’s “quit being creepy, it’s july who cares.” You can’t have it both ways.
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You simply don’t get it, friend. Recruiting rankings are meaningless? Tell that to Alabama , Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia, etc. recruiting rankings are everything. You don’t get to the top of the mountain at the end of the year not being a top 10-15 recruiting school. You just don’t. So, while it might seem irrelevant to lose one prospect, it’s actually a big deal. If you’re content with 7-9 win seasons then yes, recruiting rankings are fairly meaningless.
Let’s assume you following teenage football players on Twitter is not odd, how does your interest in these young men aid the process? And how does indifference from some random fan harm it?
Why do you have to follow it so closely you monitor who a kid does on Twitter? What good comes from it? Seriously, what does you following Jarrian Jones do that benefits our football program? All it does it make your life more stressed. Yes, our coaches need to recruit at a high level to have our program at a high level, but you following a recruit like a creep has no effect on that
Recruiting rankings are important, but there's nothing we can do about it. If he's committing and decommitting and changing his Twitter profile pic, he needs to be ignored. I trust that this staff will do what they can do behind the scenes. Recruiting rankings also mean nothing until signing day.
I am drunk and lost on the overall argument, but I am on your side lefroy. This "not a good look" **** is the most over used, stupid colloquialism in a decade. My generation had "all that and a bag of chips." Not a good look is just as stupid. Every one of you that use "not a good look," it's the "talk to the hand" of today. You sound like idiot ******** when using it. Word? Peace out. Word to your mother homefry. I am kicking this *****. Gonna bounce headed to the crib. I am too fly for you scrubs.
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You’re conflating recruiting with recruiting rankings. Recruiting is important to a program, but not something I consider to be a spectator sport. Where some random guy who may or may not know anything about football ranks any one recruiting class is, in fact, completely meaningless.
RPO, may help ur soul if u back away from the keypad and chill
a little. Man, we all follow recruiting but dang u seem to be
letting it get to u a bit to much. Good grief.
The players we get, we get and the ones we don't....we don't. It's nice that we have piled some impressive commits this early, but I've been a dawg too long (48 years) to not expect the worst. In the end, I want 20+ guys who are diehard maroon bulldogs.
Quick story to help you understand why the rankings just dont mean what you think they do:
My nephew, who recruited for MSU and is now at Miami let me in on a little secret. Mullen evaluted players much differently than to the recruiting services. Mullen told his recruiters to place the candidates in 3 categories:
3 : has the measureables to be division 1
2 : same as # 3 but dominates his man on every play. Clearly better than the players around him.
1: Same as # 2 but is a leader that the rest of the players look up to and motivates his team.
Not saying that is a good system, but it's different from the services we look at as fans and therefore unrelated.
My guess is that most coaches evaluate differently. I also believe great coaches can be highly competitive with average rated classes and poor coaches can do just the opposite.
HE IS 17 for 17 sake get the 17 over it and stop hanging on Tweets and retweets from a 17'n 17 year old...Geezus. Some of you need to really have a reality check. How in the world did you survive when Jamal Peters was wearing OM shirts a month before signing day a couple years ago and Kylin Hill was retweeting Nebraska Twitter warriors during his recruitment?
I'll ask the money question: If he does de-commit and flip to Ok. just what the 17 are WE supposed to do about it? Open up a secret chat room and offer illegal inducements?**
There's 3 recruiting services (247, Rivals and ESPN). It's not that "random." And the research clearly shows you have to be in the top 15 to have a shot at a Natty. One player does matter. Do you not think Simmons hasn't made a difference? You don't have to get worked up over it. You are correct on that point, but the ratings services do a pretty good job overall. The bottom of most classes are a crap shoot, but if you bring in 5-6 elite guys per class, the class ranking will go up substantially thus increasing your chance to play for National Championships. There is without a doubt correlation with recruiting class rankings and national champions and elite level programs.
Despite all the "diamonds in the rough" recruits we got, and we got many, our recruiting classes fell in the lower 20s and other than 1 year, we haven't sniffed the CFP or a national title appearance.
Don't worry so much about individual recruits. Concern yourself with our staff's ability to get the best kids we can get for our program. I trust this staff is going to be great at that over time. I won't worry about any specific recruit unless there is clear evidence some other school cheated to get him, in which case that's not on our staff.
If, over time we don't do well in recruiting...then I'll start to worry a little. But until then, just trust in the experts we've hired to get the job done. More often than not, we'll get the young men we should be getting...the ones that belong here.
If, over time we don't do well in recruiting...then I'll start to worry a little. But until then, just trust in the experts we've hired to get the job done. More often than not, we'll get the young men we should be getting...the ones that belong here.
But are those teams in the top 15 because they've always been elite -- and thus the assumption is made by these "scouting services" that the players they are choosing to go after must also be elite? It's a tail wag dog situation. The players that commit to blue bloods get bumps and are rated highly -- because of that team's interest -- under the assumption that a team that has been good consistently will continue to be good. And it goes off the rails fairly regularly for everyone not named Bama also.
We aren't going to be a consistent top 15 recruiter. Not in the coming decade. Not unless someone up and decides to give Starkville/the athletics dept a billion dollars for improvements. And moves in the company that allowed them to donate that billion dollars across the street.
We aren't going to be a consistent top 15 recruiter. Not in the coming decade. Not unless someone up and decides to give Starkville/the athletics dept a billion dollars for improvements. And moves in the company that allowed them to donate that billion dollars across the street.
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