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Can we join a partnership with our track team and put some of our speedsters on track scholarships? Kinda like Miami did in the Butch Jones era.
Not sure if serious, but no. Once a guy participates in football, he cannot have his scholarship in any other sport.
If a FB scholarship kid wants to run track, OK. But per rules, if you play FB and are given support, it is for a full scholarship. Pepin only has 12.5 scholarships for indoor and outdoor and can partial them, so you’d be asking Gary to eat a big chunk of his support for a team that is expected to compete for conference titles. He would say no and give the $$ to a fast kid who will only focus on track.
This activity is allowed in the NAIA, but not in the NCAA.
Once I was having my car serviced at a dealership in Lincoln. The kid driving me to work in the courtesy van was a Husker track athlete. He was on something like a 1/3 or 1/4 scholarship. Basically the scholarship paid for his books and nothing more. Of course, they get access to the strength program, training table, academic support, etc. So there are benefits, too. But it makes you wonder if the athletes for all of the Olympic sports look at the football guys with envy because some get full rides and never even see the field, while they're busting their butts for basically nothing.
Fully funded programs have 12.6, which is probably what Pepin has. Lots of D1 programs have less than that and most D2 teams are not fully funded.
Especially when you consider how many athletes are on a track team...
Pepin had stated in an interview after Frost was hired that he hoped that SF would give some of his players some flexibility and encourage them to do both, like the Davis twins are, since it would benefit all.
How do we know it benefits them? Has it benefitted the Davis twins? Lifting during track season would probably not be as intense as the offseason football season.
Multisports are great in high school I’m not sure if you are a division 1 power
5 football player you should be dicking around doing another sport. Track practice could be spent running routes, catching footballs - film study- learning the play book.
Division 1 athletics is a full time job unless you are exceptionally talented
I'm guessing he would rather have his skill guys doing speed/sprint work than his linemen throwing hardware but this sort of thing has usually been up to the athlete. If they're elite in both and want the opportunity, I can't see Frost saying no. But deep down, I'm sure he'd rather have all of his guys focused on football only. Any coach would.
Carlos and Khalil are accomplished discus throwers. Carlos made the national meet last year. I think the ability to be able to throw in the spring was an carrot to get them to sign. A couple of the younger receivers would at least be useful in the 4X100 relay.
It obviously comes down to what the kid wants to do, I didn't mean that they should encourage them to just to do it. There is benefit depending on position
It’s not just Olympic sports. Baseball and softball ration scholarships. Not sure about soccer. My nephew had a partial scholarship while on the baseball team.
Men’s sports are hit especially hard due to Title IX and having to account for the massive amounts of male scholarships that go to football. Men’s soccer teams that are fully funded have 9.9 scholarships to divide up between a roster of 23-30 with 11 players on the field. Even in basketball men can have 13 compared to 15 in women’s.
I believe all the walkons in football count in the title IX calculations - going to have to further decrease some men’s scholarships elsewhere or add more women’s scholarships to counter the large influx of walkons
Max scholarships are not set by the school, but by the NCAA. NU has a bit of money, so it wouldn't be hard to simply add a women's sport or increase rosters in existing sport.
There are max scholarship limits per sport - but yes the school can add women’s sports if they think there is value to the added cost of all the walk-ons. They could also cut men’s scholarships to accommodate walkons.
Problem in cutting is, there aren't any men's sports with the roster size equivalent/needed to offset that...Im guessing they will add a women's sport before they cut a men's
Like I said, if they're elite in both, I can't see Frost saying no. Wasn't even speaking of the Davis twins specifically, just guessing that Frost would prefer his players compete in track events with a direct football benefit, sprints being the obvious example. Agree that we have some young guys who could help out on relays.
I believe wrestling gets 11 scholarships to be divided as the head coach sees fit. There are usually around 40 athletes on the team with about 20 or 25 getting a partial scholarship. Full rides are kinda hard to come by.... An instate kid with a high GPA and academic scholarships is a huge asset, examples Austin Wilson and Craig Brester come to mind.
I would not be surprised if SF had the same lifting and training requirements as if they weren't in track and field. Like when I was military, they owned me. If I were SF, I'd say the football scholarship gives the fb program ownership and the track stuff is extra on your own time and here are the fb requirements.
Osborne etal looked at adding women's ice hockey for that reason. It's one of the reasons we got the new ice sheets but will probably never have a D-1 men's team.
Jaron killed it today! He took 5th in the 60 meaning he is a certified burner.
He won with a lean at the line. Yes that is very fast. The race was designed to be fast - it had a rabbit to ensure a sub 4 pace. Most distance races are run to be won and not necessarily for time. Most conf, NCAA, world championship distance races end up being “sit and kick”. No one wants to be the pace setter so the first half to 3/4 of the race ends up slow with a blistering last 400-800m
He currently has the 11th fastest time in NCAA D1 this year. 3:57.99 is 1st.
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Pretty cool and a novelty for NU T&F. The NU men have historically not been competitive at distances past 400M. Kusche has really solid times in a variety of distance races. 1:50 in the 800, sub-4 miler, 3rd in B1G XC and 55th the NCAA XC meet.
Moujtaba made outdoor nationals in the 800 last year. The South African kid is just a freshman. As a fan of the distance events, I would be stoked if NU added a couple of more kids and became more competitive.
Agree .... historically when Neb was nationally competitive in distance events they relied heavily on foreign athletes