Jackson Declaring without an agent

[Danger 35 Zone]

In the last 2 years, no SG or Combo Guard has been drafted that was under 6'4".. in 2014, three SG or Combo Guards at 6'3" or under were drafted (in the 2nd round), and all 3 of them are now playing overseas.

The only undersized SG's that seem to have much NBA success, are guys that are lottery picks - CJ McCollum, Eric Gordon, Dwayne Wade, A.I., etc.

Do we know how tall Frank Jackson really is? I know Duke has him listed at 6'3, and you can find CG/SG at 6'4 getting drafted in the Top 10.

But I ask this because wasn't Justice Winslow listed 6'7 or 6'8 at Duke? Then he measured in at the Combine, at what, 6'4?

 

[topps coach]

Were there many 245lb. LBs back then? Seems like 225 is small these days.

I was 237 and considered a big lb

 

[duhondukie]

How is he spot on? UNC plays the OAD game, they just lose nearly every time in the last 5 years or so....

He is spot on with the fact that Roy does play more than 6 guys every year. No, I am not saying Roy is better than K or I would rather have Roy, all I am saying is he does give the bench a chance to play thru mistakes, we have not done that.

 

[Buzzooka Joe]

Do we know how tall Frank Jackson really is? I know Duke has him listed at 6'3, and you can find CG/SG at 6'4 getting drafted in the Top 10.

But I ask this because wasn't Justice Winslow listed 6'7 or 6'8 at Duke? Then he measured in at the Combine, at what, 6'4?

Last year Frank was measured at 6'3.5" in shoes.. So he probably will be listed at 6'4" if he enters the draft.. But even if he is 6'4", it is extremely difficult for a 6'4" SG / Combo Guard to stay in the league IF THEY WERE NOT A LOTTERY PICK - and if Frank gets drafted at all, it would be in the late 2nd round..

I honestly can't think of one recent 6'4" or under SG / Combo Guard that had any type of decent NBA career, that wasn't a Lottery Pick or at least a 1st round pick.. Seth Curry has a chance to be one of those players, but Seth is also a lights-out 3pt shooter and the brother of a top-3 NBA player.

EDIT: Monte Ellis is a 6'3" Combo Guard that was drafted in the 2nd round, that has had a solid NBA career.. But Monte was also a top-3 recruit, drafted out of high school, and was averaging 17ppg in his first full season, as a teenager, on a playoff team.

 

[SoCal Dukie]

I see what you're saying SoCal. I agree with duhondukie on the bench part though. Frank and Grayson are the only 2 guys with any college experience to amount to anything, and there's a chance we could only have 1. Duke has a bunch of unproven college players. That's what has some fans concerned

Agreed there, I was just referring to UNC and their struggles landing OAD's......

 

[DukeDenver]

Last year Frank was measured at 6'3.5" in shoes.. So he probably will be listed at 6'4" if he enters the draft.. But even if he is 6'4", it is extremely difficult for a 6'4" SG / Combo Guard to stay in the league IF THEY WERE NOT A LOTTERY PICK - and if Frank gets drafted at all, it would be in the late 2nd round..

I honestly can't think of one recent 6'4" or under SG / Combo Guard that had any type of decent NBA career, that wasn't a Lottery Pick or at least a 1st round pick.. Seth Curry has a chance to be one of those players, but Seth is also a lights-out 3pt shooter and the brother of a top-3 NBA player.

Glanced at 2015, Andrew Harrison and Olivier Hanlan have survived. I'd say Frank is in similar position, but it's no guarantee.

 

[VaBlueDevil33]

Last year Frank was measured at 6'3.5" in shoes.. So he probably will be listed at 6'4" if he enters the draft.. But even if he is 6'4", it is extremely difficult for a 6'4" SG / Combo Guard to stay in the league IF THEY WERE NOT A LOTTERY PICK - and if Frank gets drafted at all, it would be in the late 2nd round..

I honestly can't think of one recent 6'4" or under SG / Combo Guard that had any type of decent NBA career, that wasn't a Lottery Pick or at least a 1st round pick.. Seth Curry has a chance to be one of those players, but Seth is also a lights-out 3pt shooter and the brother of a top-3 NBA player.

EDIT: Monte Ellis is a 6'3" Combo Guard that was drafted in the 2nd round, that has had a solid NBA career.. But Monte was also a top-3 recruit, drafted out of high school, and was averaging 17ppg in his first full season, as a teenager, on a playoff team.

He isn't getting drafted in either round if he goes this year

 

[Jnood]

We genuinely know nothing.

 

[Buzzooka Joe]

Glanced at 2015, Andrew Harrison and Olivier Hanlan have survived. I'd say Frank is in similar position, but it's no guarantee.

Harrison was listed as a true PG for the draft, and was measured at almost 6'5" (without shoes) with a 6'9"+ wingspan.. Hanlan has never played in an NBA game and is now playing in France.

 

[DukeDenver]

Glanced at 2015, Andrew Harrison and Olivier Hanlan have survived.

Harrison was listed as a true PG for the draft, and was measured at almost 6'5" (without shoes) with a 6'9"+ wingspan.. Hanlan has never played in an NBA game and is now playing in France.

could've sworn Hanlan made it... Harrison is a good comparison though.

Doesn't really matter what he was listed as, he's playing combo guard in Memphis after underwhelming in college.

 

[GAAP_rivals]

I wish everyone would relax a little bit. I can understand some what why Heyman25 stopped posting. We're sounding more like thr all the time. We can't even discuss anything without half the board getting bent out of shape. This board has been better than this. OFC

So true. Been on here for years and never knew there was an "ignore" button until this year. Kudos to the inventor of the ignore button, btw.

 

[dukiejay]

He isn't getting drafted in either round if he goes this year

He will get drafted if he stays in the draft. That's not even a concern for him. He's testing to see if there's a chance he can slip into the first round.

 

[sheyduke]

He will get drafted if he stays in the draft. That's not even a concern for him. He's testing to see if there's a chance he can slip into the first round.

Some posters need to look at each players profile prior to coming into the season. There was not one Freshman on the roster that at some point and time wasn't in the top 25 in the draft.

 

[hart2chesson]

Some posters need to look at each players profile prior to coming into the season. There was not one Freshman on the roster that at some point and time wasn't in the top 25 in the draft.

True. Jax was at 21 last summer....

OFC

 

[sheyduke]

True. Jax was at 21 last summer....

OFC

Exactly and scouts knew then just like the college rating scouts what Franks weaknesses were. Let him gather all his info in the end it's his decision

 

[DukeDenver]

Some perspective:
An 8 man rotation of Trent, Allen, O'Connell, White, DeLaurier, Carter, Vrank and Bolden is much better than 95% of other teams out there. Yes, we need to grab/keep a few more names to have more options and contingencies, but what we already have will be great fun with a healthy K at the helm. Where's the thread about hoping K is 100% next year? No concern that our General could be hanging it up any day now? Yet here we cogitate over the state of recruiting and the draw of the million dollar contract... just a little funny when you think about it.

 

[Tross282003]

I thing we land Duval. Jackson is probably 60 percent probability of coming back. Loaded draft at the guard and wing position. He should come back 2018 is a much weaker draft.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

Jackson please come back!! ..whoever thinks this guys not 1st round material is cray cray lol ...he didn't declare for nothing ...somebody's in his head other then his dad ...I wouldn't be surprised at all if a team late 1st drafted him this year...if you really watch him and know basketball you'd know he has a great chance to be special ..special..special...If he stays I think he's going to be acc POY..1st team NCAA .POY contention..that's how highly I think of him.Duval has nothing to do with his decision either ...he'll still run a little point this year but play his natural position also ...he'll get 30+ min a game imo..probally 35...anybody ever think he just wants to play basketball as to why he declared??..I mean imo it's smart for anybody to declare.

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

How some people can sit their butt on their couch and comfortably say behind their computer if he does this or that he's dumb or whatever is ...killing me comical laughing ...Stop please.

 

[Laettner15]

I am not about to blast you Laett, too much respect for everyone here. I simply think Duval is likely to commit ( great we get our true pg), but the downside is we lose a really good and proven player because he doesnt get to play PG (position hes best suited for in NBA).

OFC

I agree with that statement and thanks for not blasting me haha... I think Duval coming here won't kill Jackson off as a PG... if Duval comes will Jackson start as PG, no he won't but he will get plenty of time at the 1 to show off his skills to NBA GMs.. this team doesn't have a back up PG so Jackson would start at the 2 and I'm sure will play 15+ mins at the one when Duval goes out for a breather or foul trouble or even if they want a different look and have Duval off the ball... I hope Jackson stays and I get everyone's fear but soon enough we will know.

 

[Showenuff]

It doesn't matter to me. I love Frank, but I still want him to do whats best FOR HIM , not us. Some people are already hating on him, for what? As long as we land Duval, with or without Frank, we are going to have an excellent team , way better than this years team. But I'm not gonna trash a kid for chasing his dream just because it hurts the team I pull for.

 

[VaBlueDevil33]

He will get drafted if he stays in the draft. That's not even a concern for him. He's testing to see if there's a chance he can slip into the first round.

We can just agree to disagree on this one I guess

 

[CatcherForLife6]

I know I'll get blasted but man, we sound like UNC board last year when Money Man Meeks did the same exact thing. Everyone needs to chill, let the process play out and realize the kid is 19-20 years old. There is not one thing that any of us can do about what these kids decide to do.

 

[Buzzooka Joe]

Jackson please come back!! ..whoever thinks this guys not 1st round material is cray cray lol ...he didn't declare for nothing ...somebody's in his head other then his dad ...I wouldn't be surprised at all if a team late 1st drafted him this year...

I'm willing to bet my life he isn't a 1st round pick this year.. The NBA doesn't draft 6'3"-6'4" Combo Guards based on potential..

For Frank to be a 1st round pick, he is going to have to do one of the following: (a) show NBA-level Point Guard skills, or (b) average 16+ppg in a college season, or (c) grow 3 inches in height..

Im sure teams will give him tryouts and a D-League spot, and he could possibly "Seth Curry" his way into the league.. But it'll be much easier to play another year at Duke and accomplish (a) or (b) and then be a 1st round pick (or guaranteed 2nd round pick) next year.

 

[hart2chesson]

I agree with that statement and thanks for not blasting me haha... I think Duval coming here won't kill Jackson off as a PG... if Duval comes will Jackson start as PG, no he won't but he will get plenty of time at the 1 to show off his skills to NBA GMs.. this team doesn't have a back up PG so Jackson would start at the 2 and I'm sure will play 15+ mins at the one when Duval goes out for a breather or foul trouble or even if they want a different look and have Duval off the ball... I hope Jackson stays and I get everyone's fear but soon enough we will know.

Sound philosophy to me Laett, just hope it would meet criteria of his dad, lol....

OFC

 

[dukiejay]

We can just agree to disagree on this one I guess

It's not really agreeing to disagree, though. He will get drafted if he stays in the draft. I question whether or not it's going to be first round (as of now I don't think it will be), but Frank has a lot of positive factors working in his favor....he's an above-average shooter, he's a pretty explosive athlete and he's just 19 years old. You're just wrong if you think a team won't take a flyer on him in the second round.

 

[hart2chesson]

It's not really agreeing to disagree, though. He will get drafted if he stays in the draft. I question whether or not it's going to be first round (as of now I don't think it will be), but Frank has a lot of positive factors working in his favor....he's an above-average shooter, he's a pretty explosive athlete and he's just 19 years old. You're just wrong if you think a team won't take a flyer on him in the second round.

At this rate, we say bye to Frank-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2704883.amp.html

OFC

 

[dukiejay]

At this rate, we say bye to Frank-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2704883.amp.html

OFC

Quite possibly. As that article noted, there's a lot to like about Frank.

 

[hart2chesson]

Quite possibly. As that article noted, there's a lot to like about Frank.

True, if hes showing up that high in a mock chances are he at least goes high 2nd....Plus its a great PR move for Utah, and Quin would be all into drafting a player coached by K.As of now I would be SHOCKED if hes back...

OFC

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

I'm willing to bet my life he isn't a 1st round pick this year.. The NBA doesn't draft 6'3"-6'4" Combo Guards based on potential..

For Frank to be a 1st round pick, he is going to have to do one of the following: (a) show NBA-level Point Guard skills, or (b) average 16+ppg in a college season, or (c) grow 3 inches in height..

Im sure teams will give him tryouts and a D-League spot, and he could possibly "Seth Curry" his way into the league.. But it'll be much easier to play another year at Duke and accomplish (a) or (b) and then be a 1st round pick (or guaranteed 2nd round pick) next year.

That's all?

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

Guess I'm not the only one who thinks he has a chance to go in the 1st ....this year lol

 

[MyDudeG_rivals]

It's not a question. Frank Jackson WILL get drafted if he enters this year. Most likely he would be a second rounder which is why I think he should come back, but he definitely has the potential to sneak into the first round. He was a top 15 recruit with the athleticism, shooting ability, and defense to play in the league. People who don't think he gets drafted are just looking at the results from this past season and not the whole picture. There's a reason a guy like Terrance Ferguson is still considered a consensus first round pick after doing nothing overseas all year. Frank does not have the point guard skills to run a team day one, but the NBA drafts on potential not finished products. Example: Theres a reason why Frank Mason from Kansas isn't on any draft boards regardless of how good of a season he just had...

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

Tell pig that lmfao

 

[timo0402]

He certainly has a chance. And yes it is allllll about potential no matter what position you're drafting for. No matter what he decides I just hope that it's an informed business decision and not a pressured emotional one. Whatever he ends up doing I wish him the best.

 

[pisgah101]

Tell pig that lmfao

I'm assuming I'm pig and I said that he wouldn't go ahead of Luke and he won't so there ya go joker

 

[VaBlueDevil33]

It's not really agreeing to disagree, though. He will get drafted if he stays in the draft. I question whether or not it's going to be first round (as of now I don't think it will be), but Frank has a lot of positive factors working in his favor....he's an above-average shooter, he's a pretty explosive athlete and he's just 19 years old. You're just wrong if you think a team won't take a flyer on him in the second round.

Guess we will see if he stays in...nothing guaranteed second round though...and a lot of talent coming out this year also

Oh well we'll see

 

[IPSYCHOSIS]

I'm assuming I'm pig and I said that he wouldn't go ahead of Luke and he won't so there ya go joker

Who has more potential/upside luke or Jackson ?

 

[dukephysics]

This board goes from 0 to 100mph in a hurry!

 

[Duke1783]

Berry, Bradley, and Pinson are officially "test the waters"?

Who ultimately stays and who goes?

 

[MikeD2891]

So what exactly was the news he was returning earlier in the week?

That wasn't really news. Unlike all the other announcements about players leaving or returning, this was never stated publicly on any of the sports or news sites. I think it was just a comment made on someone's twitter account.