Izzo to resign
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And again, if that's the message you take from all of this, I don't know what else to say.
Obviously, for both men and women, it's wise to be in public places, with people around, or doors open, etc. But I've also been in numerous dorms and apartments and houses and bedrooms and never once found myself accused of anything. It's been very simple.
There didn't need to be a door open in Larry Nassar's doctors office to protect him from allegations. There didn't need to be witnesses in Bill Cosby's hotel room to protect his reputation. And it damn sure doesn't somehow justify Mike Pence's weird *** rule as if he'd be assaulting women in the middle of a restaurant.
What issue am I conflating? He jumped into a thread about documented instances of rape and turned it into how men need to protect themselves from false allegations.
And you were okay with that, apparently. That wasn't conflating any issue. To you, that wasn't insensitive to the little girls who were destroyed by a monster that was protected for decade or more.
So until you have an issue with the post I was responding to, I'll keep sharing my "attitude."
I was just reading the end of the thread and saw your post. It's got nothing to do with this incident. I was making a statement about your comment.
Men can't really accuse a woman of rape. I mean they can, but let's be real.
Just because you haven't been falsely accused doesn't mean it won't happen tomorrow. I don't know why you keep insisting this. Women lie about rape every single day, it's not uncommon at all. Yes it could happen to you and I hope it never does.
And men lie about not doing it.
This has nothing to do with Nassar, that is what you are conflating.
Every single day.
Gonzo basically said men don't need to protect themselves if they aren't actually raping. That is naive as hell and false. That's what I was talking about.
You have two sons. Do you think an open door policy with women around is a good idea? Mothers go through false rape allegations with their sons all the time.
It’s actually not that uncommon. At all. He’s right
@Cindog28 is right too though. Men lie about raping every single day as well. She’s absolutely correct.
Just because @morgousky is saying to go on the side of caution with any possibility of being accused of rape doesn’t mean rape doesn’t exist or men don’t lie about raping women. It’s just the way today’s culture is.
I’ll say it again: do you have any sort of credible evidence to back that up? What is your definition of “uncommon”?
My oldest son is 18. He KNOWS not to put hands on a woman after seeing his mother go through it for years.
Yeah, i grew up around it as well. My mother was a punching bag for her 2nd husband.
You’ll say it again? Lol okay bud.
It seems as if around 2-8% of claims are “false” about the same/ on par with other crimes.
Maybe uncommon wasn’t the correct word, but it 100% definitely happens.
Stop being ridiculous. Just because he/ we/ anyone says that people falsely accuse of rape doesn’t mean we think rape isn’t a huge , terribly sad problem or condone it etc etc. Don’t be absurd.
https://www.rapevictimadvocates.org/what-you-need-to-know/myths-and-facts/
Oh man, that sounds awful. I hope she's okay now. I can't imagine watching that happen to my mom.
Sorry man. I always felt like it was harder on the kids, then it was on me.
Don't know what else to say other than I'm sorry for what you went through. I just can't believe someone would do that to their wife/gf.
Some women lie about being raoed. Maybe we should just never believe any woman who says she was raped?
Respect.
Respect.
Omg, unless they were directly responsible or even non directly they can’t just resign. If they do resign that program is in hell for a long time.
Actually it is pretty uncommon. There are many more rapes/sexual assaults that go unreported than false accusations being made. Many for exactly the reason this was able to go on for 20 years. There were multiple women in this case who had reported what was happening and they weren't believed.
Which is worse, to be a victim of a rape/sexual assault and have you assailant protected either through inaction or non-belief of your claim or to be falsely accused and suffer consequences?
Your answer is probably dictated by which side of that question you think you'll ever possibly find yourself.
Izzo also said that he has no plans to retire.
"I'm not going anywhere, in my mind," Izzo said. "I'm definitely not retiring. And there's a lot of things that happened today that are part of life, and I'm gonna worry about my team, I'm gonna worry about the survivors, I'm gonna worry about what I do."
Obviously not worried about his players assaulting female students.
Give me a break.
I won't justify myself and explain my value set to a guy like you. You're the worst of the worst.
It is a lie that we have good data on these topics. Also to a lot of people rape and sexual assault become conflated. Some of it is intentional.
There are people in this country who believe every single man in this thread has sexually assaulted a woman in some form even though it's defined by their own definition.
This is a trap thread. Run screaming "rape is bad rape is bad" as loud as you can or you're a wife beater and POS. Don't ask questions, or in my case, dont respond to Gonzo on a direct quote about something else he said. I made no statement about Mich State or a general remark about assault / rape. I said men are wise to not find themselves closed in with a woman. It's bad business and it's expressed everywhere people have a brain. If they aren't alone together, it's unlikely there will be an assault, and little chance at all of a rape - or false accusation of rape. This is where political correctness is so dangerous. Instead of looking at the truth to that, we must reject it because it might insinuate to someone that a woman can lie. No, it just removes all risk and keeps both parties safer. But nope, emotion emotion scream scream become outraged.
It's ridiculous. I'm not interested in seeing who can be the most virtuous. my aunt was beat, and not just slapped for grabbed; broken ribs, broken jaw, her first husband nearly
killed my first cousin and her. I think it goes without saying that any man worth 2 cents is against it completely and entirely.
And a guy like fuzz might want to look at some data sets from around the world on sexual assault and rape then apply it to his insanely stupid vision for the future of this county. He can eat it, he is a lot more dangerous than the statement I made.
Outa this thread, not worth it.
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All it takes as well is a woman who had relations with you to get mad and Make allegations against men as well. Its a slippery slope all they way and is very wise to be as cautious as possible as a man.
I wasn't going to do this because obviously I'm not interested in this thread at all, but I noticed something
You liked Fuzz post insinuating that I believe what I said because in my mind I believe I'll find myself on the side of beating and assaulting/raping women one day.
This is what I'm talking about, you just liked a post likening me to men serving 100 years in prison and the WORST in society. If you knew who I was, you wouldn't go down that road.
You might as well put me on ignore, I want no part of people that throw that kind of stuff around loosely. My reputation isn't in question, and your experiences do not reflect me and my family.
Did I? Wtf?!? :flushed: I meant to "like" @BlueWorldOrder74's post.
Naw ya know what, I apologize. i think it's a difficult topic and one impossible for men to quite understand and discuss. I understand your situation, you don't deserve that, and I'm sure it's a topic you'd rather not even get into. I've known many women in my former profession who went through it, as well as my Aunt. I start conversations on the topic incorrect, I assume it's understood real men don't agree with it and I should probably not make that assumption.
I am totally against rape, assault, and sexual harassment. I personally don't understand it, It's a turnoff to me when a woman doesn't want it. The reason I asked you the question I asked is just to have a mothers opinion. The women my life and the men taught me to have the door open, it keeps everyone safer. I was only responding to Gonzo's point that you don't have to worry about it if you're not raping. I do not believe that at all, and it's totally incorrect.
maybe if you're no better at discerning jokes from sincere posts you oughtta stop trying to police messages that are no concern of yours?
If I'm not mistaken, you just proved his point. The rate of "false" allegations "about the same...with other crimes" yet if this was a story about car jacking I doubt anyone would have said men need to protect themselves against those false allegations.
A rape is far more likely not to be reported than a case of reported rape that turns out to be false. The idea that men need to protect themselves from false rape accusations is red herring with the intent, conscious or unconscious, to minimize the crime and the victims. That's why many intelligent people get upset when they hear people focus on the few false reports.
Not policing anything, maybe you need to work on your "sarcasm" or get a thicker skin. It's a public forum, I can post my thoughts on anything I wish.
I only use block on the dumbest of RR posters. Congrats on making the list!
Excellent...responding to your idiocy has already cost me 3 or 5 minutes of my life that I'll never get back
The first 2/3 of your post is fine, and then you add the last part, which is a loathsome thing to say about someone you have zero knowledge of. Maybe you have a personal experience that is clouding your judgement, but I would suggest thinking about it a little longer before posting an accusation like that.