We didn't have a point guard this year. Quit blaming it on Cal's X's and O's. And quit saying this year was a total loss. Any year we can beat UNC and Louisville is a good year to me. Could have done without the 34-point loss to Duke, but if that didn't tell us we had a fatal flaw (point guard) I don't know what could have.
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I just hope he comes back. He can make a big jump between now and next year's draft. He has talent. It just needs to be honed.
Cal's coaching is great, and our point guard was fine. The teams that are playing in an elite 8 are all really good. If any team is having a bad, even mediocre, game, they will lose. Unfortunately, today was a less than stellar game for us. We still had a great season. No need to blame anyone, it just wasn't our best game.
Maxey is not a pg we have 2 this season. Cal refused to play one who when in the game for some reason the lead increased the last two games. Just like starting nick all last year only to go down big to kstate his ego gets in the way of decision making. Like I’ve aaid when we see “swaggy” cal you know we’re about to lose. It’s not a good look and he at that point thinks he has the formula instead of being willing to adjust. I can not believe he hasn’t learned from all these experiences
Man, I don't know how you watched any of our games and think Quade helps. He turned it over a ton and couldn't guard anyone.
Maxey isn't a PG and he's nothing like Fox. He's more similar to Lamb than Fox although that's not a great comparison either. Hagans will still be our PG next year.
PG was the major problem this year. It was the worst season for PG play other than 2013.
Hagans is dreadful on offense . Anytime he shot a 3 I never had confidence it was going in .
Frustrating watching teams like Purdue and Auburn have guards lightning up deep contested 3s
Yet our PG can’t hit wide open 3s .
Frustrating watching teams like Purdue and Auburn have guards lightning up deep contested 3s
Yet our PG can’t hit wide open 3s .
IQ says hello!!! I’m still mad at Cal for not giving him more minutes
We had two freshmen point guards who did the best they could, but they were not elite and not many freshmen point guards are elite enough to help you win it all. Credit Cal and Ashton for taking us pretty damn far considering where we started. It was going to be tough to beat a red hot Auburn with their experienced guards and do it a third time...I know close is not good by Kentucky standards, but 30-7 is a very successful year. Not perfect and with a team expected to be better, but our program wins 30 games and loses in the regional final..pretty damn good!
I am very intrigued whenever a PG decides to return to Kentucky for a 2nd season and run the ship. Ulis SEC POY and Andrew Harrison 38-0. May not be as successful as those 2 players but a returning floor general on a young Calipari team could do wonders.
not even close. literally only thing Maxey and Fox have in common is they are from Texas.
We were only as good as Ashton Hagan’s allowed us to be this season. When he was playing well, we looked like the best team in the country. In March, we were squeaking by mediocre teams and our PG was turning the ball over and missing layups. Hagans will come back and get better. We need January Hagans.
SGA becoming a OAD is why we didn't have a PG.. He was supposed to be a multi-year player but played above expectations. Still would like to have a 5'11 quick option at least on the bench that can come in and stay in front of smaller guards. We have lost a bunch of tournament games because we can't stay in front of smaller guards. Either do that or adjust the defense. Harper was shooting layups on us.
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Watching Hagans this tournament reminded me somewhat of Dirk MInnifield. Way too inconsistent and out of control more often than not.
Quickley is no better. The only person he can run past is Cal. Neither is quick or can pass to an open shooter. That's not a point guard. Quickley is more of a 2.
This . When Hagans was hot , we were hot .. But he was iceberg cold the last month , and the team suffered . Cal's refusal to adjust his minutes accordingly cost us a final four . Thats not bashing Cal or bashing AH , just being factual.
It always comes down to stubbornness with Cal and the PGs. Wall wouldn't guard that little WVU freak (Mazzuca?) the way Cal was telling him to, and wouldn't stop jacking up threes. Brandon Knight cost us against UConn. Harrow was...Harrow. Harrison cost us against UConn and Wisconsin. Fox drew two stupid fouls (cough Higgins cough) against Steadman White. SGA last year and now this. Hard to believe the only one who played consistently well in March was Teague. And yes, I know Knight hit two game-winning shots, but go back and look. Those were his first points against Princeton and he didn't score a lot against OSU.
Well, in Purdue's case, they happen to have by far the best deep shooting point in the entire country.
It's hardly fair to expect Hagans to shoot like that guy.
The regional final game is always a different kind of game. It's more pressure than the Final Four IMO. It seems to require an a maturity level, and ability handle pressure, that young players just don't seem to have yet. It's a flaw in the OAD philosphy. 2011, we had Darius Miller, and some good sophomores. This year Reid, and PJ helped, but we didn't have experience and maturity at the guard position. I don't really blame the players for that.
We’ll i don’t expect them to shoot like them .
But I’d like to be somewhat confident when our PG has a wide open shot which I’m not when Hagans has to shoot .
a so-so PG surrounded by exceptional talent can look good
a great PG surrounded by so-so talent can look bad.
that isn't a commentary directed at any specific player, but give Hagans Antony Davis, Kidd-Gillchrist, Doron Lamb and Terence Jones as his starting five and I bet few the opinion of him is going to be better than it is with this team.
I remember the complaints about Teague - there were alot of them throughout the year and we only we were winning every game.
a great PG surrounded by so-so talent can look bad.
that isn't a commentary directed at any specific player, but give Hagans Antony Davis, Kidd-Gillchrist, Doron Lamb and Terence Jones as his starting five and I bet few the opinion of him is going to be better than it is with this team.
I remember the complaints about Teague - there were alot of them throughout the year and we only we were winning every game.
How could anyone say we had no pg when Hagans was being heralded and considered a possible first round pick.
This board went crazy when some poster said he not ready. Some were calling him the best freshmen pg. others saying possible lottery pick.
One loss later and we have no pg?
To those saying Maxey is not a PG, have you watched him very much? If so, why isn't he? I have not, so I don't know. But Rivals calls him a PG, and 247 calls him a combo guard. ESPN says shooting guard. Looking for comments from those who have actually seen him play a good amount.
The reason Hagans was a 5 star recruit and not guys like Harper and Edwards is because Hagans is 6'3" and Harper and Edwards only about 5'10." But it certainly is NOT because he's a better player than those guys right now.
Sometimes "potential" obsessed scouts get way too hung up on length. They often base their rankings NOT upon who the player is now, but rather who they think he can develop into in the future.
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I also wonder if they put too much stock in AAU play. Seems to me that AAU is a lot like All-Star games. You don't really see high-level teamwork, but more showboating and one on one play. Guys that get the hype are the more showy look at me types. Just a theory. Could be wroong.
He's more of a scoring guard. He doesn't really run an offense or get the ball to other players. He can dish if you crash in on his drive but for the most part your bigs won't touch the ball much with him running the play. There is just a sense that PGs have to create for others. Maxey is more of a scorer than that.
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Not really . Both were out of control during their first couple of years. Dirk became a decent player later on but early he was very erratic.
But Cal signed two pure point guards that were 5 stars. Did he get the wrong ones?