It's Official: Holtmann is a whiny beeeeotch

[Joey Bacala]

Look at this quote, note the bold text:

“I thought they were swarming the ball. They were really physical. The momentum of the crowd (helped) and honestly, I thought there were some fouls that weren’t called. At the end of the day, you have to be able to play through some physicality. ... You got to give Rutgers credit for closing, making the block on the breakaway layup there and being able to get some stops when they needed to, being able to finish and get to the line.”

Is he f'ing kidding me? Did he need to say that when we had a TON of nickel and dime fouls called on us - especially the one on Harper against Lidell when he threw the ball up in the air. #50 on OSU could have been called for a foul throwing elbows every trip. This was a highly physical game, a true rock fight, both ways, but some of the foul calls on us were really picky.

Holtmann, STFU, please with the fouls.

 

[Scangg]

There were obviously some fouls that weren't called... both ways. We got away with a lotttt of hacking on their drives. They got away with illegal screens and key constant elbows

The one on Harper was clearly and obviously a foul. The replay confirmed it. He left his hand in the cookie jar and got caught

 

[NYSportsFan]

Ehhh, i didnt take that as whiny (just reading the quote, not seeing how he said it tone/infliction etc), but listen, that out of bounds call in the first half where the ball clearly went off of an OSU player and no rutgers player was near it and then they scored off of that, i was like if this game comes down to a 2 pt game, that play is going to be huge because that was a free two points. looks like we made out haha.

 

[new jersey1_rivals661559]

That’s ok what he said. It was one sentence. He was obviously disappointed with losing in the manner they did. He was certainly complimentary of RU with the rest of his statements.

 

[RUChoppin]

There were obviously some fouls that weren't called... both ways. We got away with a lotttt of hacking on their drives. They got away with illegal screens and key constant elbows

The one on Harper was clearly and obviously a foul. The replay confirmed it. He left his hand in the cookie jar and got caught

It looked like an NBA-style "rip through" foul, which is why Harper reacted the way he did. No intention of actually shooting, just looking to make contact on the arm and hurl the ball skyward.

But yeah, very physical game - lot of banging bodies both ways. Key could have fouled out of that game twice, though.

 

[gigantor1024]

You’re reaching

 

[Scangg]

Ehhh, i didnt take that as whiny (just reading the quote, not seeing how he said it tone/infliction etc), but listen, that out of bounds call in the first half where the ball clearly went off of an OSU player and no rutgers player was near it and then they scored off of that, i was like if this game comes down to a 2 pt game, that play is going to be huge because that was a free two points. looks like we made out haha.

That was the worst call of the game by far. Shockingly bad miss

 

[scarletrat]

in some respects, we were hosed last season at OSU when they made that comeback.

i never want to hear anyone from Ohio State claim they didn't get calls.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Let's be honest....who isn't a whiny ..........

I know i am.

 

[ScarletDave]

Yea, the refs that year when we were up 16 on OSU took Johnson out of the game with 8 minutes left and fueled the OSU comeback that started the spiraling that almost cost us our season, so he can stick it

 

[kcg88]

Everybody wants Pikiell to work the refs. This is Holtman working the refs. He wants a few calls next game.

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

in some respects, we were hosed last season at OSU when they made that comeback.

i never want to hear anyone from Ohio State claim they didn't get calls.

THAT was the game I was thinking of!!

I was thinking earlier today , as much as I complain about the refs, that:

(1) in general we have gotten a more fair whistle than in past years; and

(2) while there has been some impactful calls/ no calls that didnt go our way I dont remember a game this year where there were consistent bad calls that utterly prevented RU from a chance at winning. However, I could remember there being a game last year where the reffing was sooooo one-sided that it completely sunk ANY chance for RU to compete. It was the OSU game last year that you cited.

now its coming back - it absolutely CREATED their comeback in that game. Johnson was getting called for phantom foul after phantom foul. THAT officiating was soooo bad it really should have been looked into.

 

[DirtyRU]

Ehhh, i didnt take that as whiny (just reading the quote, not seeing how he said it tone/infliction etc), but listen, that out of bounds call in the first half where the ball clearly went off of an OSU player and no rutgers player was near it and then they scored off of that, i was like if this game comes down to a 2 pt game, that play is going to be huge because that was a free two points. looks like we made out haha.

That bad out of bounds call was egregious and SO blatantly obvious, I could only come up with two solutions. Legit only two:

1. He's on the take. Big action in Vegas. Dude is bought. Compromised. It happens. He's human. Big money was dangled and dumb dumb was told to make some calls in favor of the Buckeyes to help dictate the outcome in a close game.

2. Complete utter brain fart heat of the moment mistake where he thought we were wearing red and OSU was wearing white.

I have no other explanation. He was RIGHT there, a few feet from the play, legit STARING at the ball going off of an OSU player. F'in baffling.

If I'm Rutgers, I'm showing that play to the Big Ten officials and asking them for a f'in explanation. It was THAT bad, and I'm just as salty with the W as I am if it was an L. That referee needs to explain himself, and I rarely if ever have said that about a ref since most calls are split second judgement calls and I admire them and their task at hand night in and night out. It's a VERY difficult profession. This was different.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

THAT was the game I was thinking of!!

I was thinking earlier today , as much as I complain about the refs, that:

(1) in general we have gotten a more fair whistle than in past years; and

(2) while there has been some impactful calls/ no calls that didnt go our way I dont remember a game this year where there were consistent bad calls that utterly prevented RU from a chance at winning. However, I could remember there being a game last year where the reffing was sooooo one-sided that it completely sunk ANY chance for RU to compete. It was the OSU game last year that you cited.

now its coming back - it absolutely CREATED their comeback in that game. Johnson was getting called for phantom foul after phantom foul. THAT officiating was soooo bad it really should have been looked into.

is that game Young (Jacob) left too?

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

Okay sort of off topic but his sweaty upper lip bothers the F out of me. Damn dude wipe your mouth!

I thought the refs in almost any other game would have called fouls on the Caleb block, the Cliff blocks, **** a lot of plays in the end game. But they didn't. Even the last shot could have been a foul.

Also, this win is the sweetest of the season (see my username).

 

[RUChoppin]

is that game Young (Jacob) left too?

Don't think so, Young played 29 in that game @OSU. Johnson got 5 fouls called in 15 minutes, Doucoure got 4 called in 21 minutes, and Reiber 1 foul called in 3 minutes. That's 10 fouls called on the center position in 39 minutes of play.

Bo Boroski worked that game and this one.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Lol, hes such a *****. More calls went OSU’s way than our way

 

[80RU]

THAT was the game I was thinking of!!

I was thinking earlier today , as much as I complain about the refs, that:

(1) in general we have gotten a more fair whistle than in past years; and

(2) while there has been some impactful calls/ no calls that didnt go our way I dont remember a game this year where there were consistent bad calls that utterly prevented RU from a chance at winning. However, I could remember there being a game last year where the reffing was sooooo one-sided that it completely sunk ANY chance for RU to compete. It was the OSU game last year that you cited.

now its coming back - it absolutely CREATED their comeback in that game. Johnson was getting called for phantom foul after phantom foul. THAT officiating was soooo bad it really should have been looked into.

That was the game that caused Bardo to do a podcast on how Rutgers had been mistreated by big 10 officials if I remember correctly.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Don't think so, Young played 29 in that game @OSU. Johnson got 5 fouls called in 15 minutes, Doucoure got 4 called in 21 minutes, and Reiber 1 foul called in 3 minutes. That's 10 fouls called on the center position in 39 minutes of play.

Bo Boroski worked that game and this one.

Young game was a home game...maybe wasn't OSU. we had the lead when he left and then we folded when he was gone

 

[Scangg]

It was an embarrassing missed call. I think the ref just didn't see bc the ball went past him too fast before he could turn his head and assumed Paul just throw it out of bounds?

 

[kcg88]

Don't think so, Young played 29 in that game @OSU. Johnson got 5 fouls called in 15 minutes, Doucoure got 4 called in 21 minutes, and Reiber 1 foul called in 3 minutes. That's 10 fouls called on the center position in 39 minutes of play.

That was the same game: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay/_/gameId/401263333

Myles fouled out with 8:46 left up by 8.

Jacob Young got fouled on a layup attempt with 7:28 to go. Mathis took the free throws, hit both to go up 6.

Ohio State outscored us 25-7 the rest of the way. Caleb and Cliff were also out with injury that day.

 

[Scangg]

That was the game that caused Bardo to do a podcast on how Rutgers had been mistreated by big 10 officials if I remember correctly.

The Bardo rant was probably my all time favorite media analyst Rutgers take

Myles really got screwed his entire career with cheap calls. Had to be insanely frustrating.

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

That bad out of bounds call was egregious and SO blatantly obvious, I could only come up with two solutions. Legit only two:

1. He's on the take. Big action in Vegas. Dude is bought. Compromised. It happens. He's human. Big money was dangled and dumb dumb was told to make some calls in favor of the Buckeyes to help dictate the outcome in a close game.

2. Complete utter brain fart heat of the moment mistake where he thought we were wearing red and OSU was wearing white.

I have no other explanation. He was RIGHT there, a few feet from the play, legit STARING at the ball going off of an OSU player. F'in baffling.

If I'm Rutgers, I'm showing that play to the Big Ten officials and asking them for a f'in explanation. It was THAT bad, and I'm just as salty with the W as I am if it was an L. That referee needs to explain himself, and I rarely if ever have said that about a ref since most calls are split second judgement calls and I admire them and their task at hand night in and night out. It's a VERY difficult profession. This was different.

totally agree. I know I whine about the refs during the game ... cant help myself but once the emotion of the game has settled I realize what you mentioned - officiating is REALLY tough. there are a bunch of bodies moving REALLY quick all over the court. even in slow motion (played backwards and forwards; from different angles) it is still sometimes hard to make these calls and these refs are have to make calls in real time and from only one perspective. thus, unless REALLY bad after the fact I tend to give the refs a break

but THAT call was egregious. not an RU player within 5 feet!!! not a call where there are 4/6/8 hands vying for the ball and they need to go to super slowmo to figure out (and even then it can be tough!!). but that call..... NO RUTGERS PLAYER WITHIN 5 FEET!!! and then when another official didnt come in to correct it.... seriously WTF?!

 

[80RU]

That was the game that caused Bardo to do a podcast on how Rutgers had been mistreated by big 10 officials if I remember correctly.

Confirmed – – from Bardo:


“Myles Johnson is an extremely talented big and I think the officials have it out for Rutgers. I really do. I have called a number of games of theirs. I cannot believe the unfriendly whistles that Rutgers receives from the officials. It’s kind of bad y’all. I’m not gonna harp on it. I don’t care, ****, I’ll probably get in trouble anyway. I don’t care, that’s what I think. The refs suck towards Rutgers and they need to do better. They need to do better. So Myles Johnson gets in foul trouble a lot. He’s straight up and down a lot, he plays really good position defense. He’s a very talented big but he doesn’t get a chance to play a lot. He fouled out in 15 minutes in the game against Ohio State and two or three of those calls are very questionable.”

 

[RUChoppin]

That was the same game: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay/_/gameId/401263333

Myles fouled out with 8:46 left up by 8.

Jacob Young got fouled on a layup attempt with 7:28 to go. Mathis took the free throws, hit both to go up 6.

Ohio State outscored us 25-7 the rest of the way. Caleb and Cliff were also out with injury that day.

Totally forgot about that.... I had thought he meant left with fouls, not with injury. Good memory!

 

[Big boy stan]

I dont have a problem with that quote at all. In fact, I agree 100% with everything he said

 

[OldManRiver1]

Okay sort of off topic but his sweaty upper lip bothers the F out of me. Damn dude wipe your mouth!

I think he wears lipstick

 

[Rokodesh]

Look at this quote, note the bold text:

“I thought they were swarming the ball. They were really physical. The momentum of the crowd (helped) and honestly, I thought there were some fouls that weren’t called. At the end of the day, you have to be able to play through some physicality. ... You got to give Rutgers credit for closing, making the block on the breakaway layup there and being able to get some stops when they needed to, being able to finish and get to the line.”

Is he f'ing kidding me? Did he need to say that when we had a TON of nickel and dime fouls called on us - especially the one on Harper against Lidell when he threw the ball up in the air. #50 on OSU could have been called for a foul throwing elbows every trip. This was a highly physical game, a true rock fight, both ways, but some of the foul calls on us were really picky.

Holtmann, STFU, please with the fouls.

He wasn't wrong. You sound like the crybaby making this thread.

 

[Pancho1939_rivals]

And this is why people love pikiell. He would never mention the fouls. Would have said great game, great team, we have to learn how to close out, we are getting better every game, we are a good team, credit to Ohio state they are a really good team. This league is so deep…

 

[jordkap]

in some respects, we were hosed last season at OSU when they made that comeback.

i never want to hear anyone from Ohio State claim they didn't get calls.

Myles still has 4 residual fouls

 

[Westcoast]

That’s ok what he said. It was one sentence. He was obviously disappointed with losing in the manner they did. He was certainly complimentary of RU with the rest of his statements.

Exactly. That was about as gracious a comment you will ever see a losing coach make.

 

[wheezer]

Nothing wrong with their coaches comments
One generic comment about fouls in a long game description

on the play where Paul’s pass was tipped and went out of bounds
The Ohio state player touched it and slightly changed the balls trajectory

the refs just missed it being touched
That’s it. Not the crime of the century
None of them saw it and it is possible
that none of them saw it. The commentators were not sure till they saw the replay
Every once in a while something like this can happen

 

[RUChoppin]

Nothing wrong with their coaches comments
One generic comment about fouls in a long game description

on the play where Paul’s pass was tipped and went out of bounds
The Ohio state player touched it and slightly changed the balls trajectory

the refs just missed it being touched
That’s it. Not the crime of the century
None of them saw it and it is possible
that none of them saw it. The commentators were not sure till they saw the replay
Every once in a while something like this can happen

It was a bad call, compounded by allowing the timeout when Mulcahy had the guy tied up two possessions later. Mulcahy stopped and talked to Boroski after that... two calls had gone against him in short succession. Curious what he said.

 

[wheezer]

It was a bad call, compounded by allowing the timeout when Mulcahy had the guy tied up two possessions later. Mulcahy stopped and talked to Boroski after that... two calls had gone against him in short succession. Curious what he said.

I don’t think we can hear the time out request so the timing with the tie up is hard to figure
It was a tough sequence for Paul as it appears two things went against him

The time out one less obvious without the audio

 

[RUChoppin]

I don’t think we can hear the time out request so the timing with the tie up is hard to figure
It was a tough sequence for Paul as it appears two things went against him

The time out one less obvious with audio

Honestly, much happier to have two bad calls like that go against someone than two bad foul calls. Losing a couple of possessions is one thing... losing minutes on the court is much more impactful.

 

[wheezer]

Honestly, much happier to have two bad calls like that go against someone than two bad foul calls. Losing a couple of possessions is one thing... losing minutes on the court is much more impactful.

That is one positive way to look at it

A foul call on Geo on the three point attempt at the buzzer, now that would have been something to complain about
And could have happened

 

[wheezer]

That bad out of bounds call was egregious and SO blatantly obvious, I could only come up with two solutions. Legit only two:

1. He's on the take. Big action in Vegas. Dude is bought. Compromised. It happens. He's human. Big money was dangled and dumb dumb was told to make some calls in favor of the Buckeyes to help dictate the outcome in a close game.

2. Complete utter brain fart heat of the moment mistake where he thought we were wearing red and OSU was wearing white.

I have no other explanation. He was RIGHT there, a few feet from the play, legit STARING at the ball going off of an OSU player. F'in baffling.

If I'm Rutgers, I'm showing that play to the Big Ten officials and asking them for a f'in explanation. It was THAT bad, and I'm just as salty with the W as I am if it was an L. That referee needs to explain himself, and I rarely if ever have said that about a ref since most calls are split second judgement calls and I admire them and their task at hand night in and night out. It's a VERY difficult profession. This was different.

If they wanted to screw us they could easily have called a foul on Geo on the final three point shot

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

That was the same game: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay/_/gameId/401263333

Myles fouled out with 8:46 left up by 8.

Jacob Young got fouled on a layup attempt with 7:28 to go. Mathis took the free throws, hit both to go up 6.

Ohio State outscored us 25-7 the rest of the way. Caleb and Cliff were also out with injury that day.

One of the worst reffed games that I can remember. One of the few times when I thought Pike should have said something to get himself suspended.

 

[Plum Street]

And this is why people love pikiell. He would never mention the fouls. Would have said great game, great team, we have to learn how to close out, we are getting better every game, we are a good team, credit to Ohio state they are a really good team. This league is so deep…

Lol. SARCASM

 

[RCBeta79]

That bad out of bounds call was egregious and SO blatantly obvious, I could only come up with two solutions. Legit only two:

1. He's on the take. Big action in Vegas. Dude is bought. Compromised. It happens. He's human. Big money was dangled and dumb dumb was told to make some calls in favor of the Buckeyes to help dictate the outcome in a close game.

2. Complete utter brain fart heat of the moment mistake where he thought we were wearing red and OSU was wearing white.

I have no other explanation. He was RIGHT there, a few feet from the play, legit STARING at the ball going off of an OSU player. F'in baffling.

If I'm Rutgers, I'm showing that play to the Big Ten officials and asking them for a f'in explanation. It was THAT bad, and I'm just as salty with the W as I am if it was an L. That referee needs to explain himself, and I rarely if ever have said that about a ref since most calls are split second judgement calls and I admire them and their task at hand night in and night out. It's a VERY difficult profession. This was different.

He has been an awful ref for the last few years and the Rutgers fans in my section have called him on his calls/lack of calls. He doesn't belong in a major conference.