It's going down

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Yea, we were in the hundreds when BM was the AD.

The athletic director of B1G schools overseas all sports. Not just football.

BM blew it.

Not quite.. I looked it up.. knew it was from-the-hip BS

Mulcahy was AD 1998-2009.. his last 2 years were worse than the 80-something placement you showed.. but we had cut olympic sports. I couldn't find data for 98/99-2002/3 but I'll presume ti was similar to the mid 2000s.

Here's where we ended up in the final standings year by year
2003/4 63
2004/5 66
2005/6 76
2006/7 54
2007/8 126** literally scored NOTHING in any of the tracked sports
2008/9 92

 

[AreYouNUTS]

What does that link prove? Do you know where we ended up every year BM was AD?

We had one of the worst athletic programs on the nation under Bob, almost yearly, this isn’t exactly news.

 

[Knight Shift]

GS will make that choice. He's driving this bus into the future form here.

Good luck with that. Stupid move if this is what happens.

 

[Caliknight]

great keep arguing but no winning no big ten fact

Winning, lol. We won some mid teir bowl games. We never even won the BE.

We are in the B1G for one reason. The revenue generated from the NJ market and the fact that Jim Delany was savvy enough to monetize that via carriage fees.

No more. No less. Everything else is window dressing.

Of course, none of that matters as it relates to BM absconding his duties and wrecking the athletic department all before a very unceremonious and dubious ending.

 

[chase07470]

For anything. Or for nothing at all. Hobbs' contract allows him to be fired without cause. There doesn't need to be a reason to fire him.

Do you disagree that having a reason is better than not having a reason? That its not better when you consider ramifications from the percentage of constituents who support him and will be bitter?

He just destroyed his relationship with the NJ media. He called them "scum." Even Julie Herman wasn't that stupid and they treated her a lot worse. He can't go on from here, having done that.

 

[chase07470]

Good luck with that. Stupid move if this is what happens.

As if we have a cliff to fall from. We're already wrecked on the rocks below and have been sitting there waiting for help for three years. I'll take my chances with the only guy to move the needle here.

 

[Wolv RU]

This is the scariest part of the whole situation. What qualified AD is going to want this position? Not one, and we will hire another puppet AD.

I don't think this fairly accounts for the demand there is for a job like the Rutgers AD job. There are even fewer AD openings than football HC openings (the jobs open up less frequently). Rutgers is also going to be getting the most $ it ever has -- by far -- in the coming years.

 

[Wolv RU]

and why are you buying into the conspiracy theory of what Greg demands...do you have a source? receipts? where is it? sorry people talking doesnt mean anything especially when it comes to Rutgers

lets consider that many people posting in this thread including the OP are strongly against GS..so disclaimer there for all

I'm not buying into it. I just said whoever is hired needs to live within whatever the budget is, which should be laid out up front for said candidate. What is unfair about that, whether it is GS or someone else?

 

[Upstream]

Do you disagree that having a reason is better than not having a reason? That its not better when you consider ramifications from the percentage of constituents who support him and will be bitter?

He just destroyed his relationship with the NJ media. He called them "scum." Even Julie Herman wasn't that stupid and they treated her a lot worse. He can't go on from here, having done that.

Do you seriously believe that creating a fake scandal is making anyone feel better?

Did anyone feel better because Gary Waters was fired for getting stuck in a snowstorm or Fred Hill Jr was fired for yelling at a baseball game? Did anyone feel worse because Eddie Jordan was fired no reason other than his W-L record.

If the BOG wants Hobbs gone because of the demise of the football program, that is more than enough.

 

[chase07470]

Do you seriously believe that creating a fake scandal is making anyone feel better?

Did anyone feel better because Gary Waters was fired for getting stuck in a snowstorm or Fred Hill Jr was fired for yelling at a baseball game? Did anyone feel worse because Eddie Jordan was fired no reason other than his W-L record.

If the BOG wants Hobbs gone because of the demise of the football program, that is more than enough.

Do you seriously believe that creating a fake scandal is making anyone feel better?

Did anyone feel better because Gary Waters was fired for getting stuck in a snowstorm or Fred Hill Jr was fired for yelling at a baseball game? Did anyone feel worse because Eddie Jordan was fired no reason other than his W-L record.

If the BOG wants Hobbs gone because of the demise of the football program, that is more than enough.

Calling reporters scum is not fake. Not sure how much of the conspiracy theory I'm buying. I see this as a convenient development to a thorny problem of how to make Hobbs-Schiano a functional union. Now they won't have to worry about it.

 

[Ru-baby]

Hobbs may not last the season. But just so there’s zero confusion, the OP has a long history of posting outlandish bull **** from his super triple top secret insider sources.

Remember when you breathlessly told us Caroo would never see the light of day again? I’d go on, but @Phi_1055 previously laid it out better than I ever could.

This point has been overlooked.

Is this a breathless thread and prediction that comes without much basis? Has the source been correct ion the past?

 

[29PAS]

I'm going into a self-induced coma this afternoon and will hope that all this crap is resolved when the wake-up timer goes off. The question is, what date to set the timer for. Suggestions?

 

[Caliknight]

Calling reporters scum is not fake. Not sure how much of the conspiracy theory I'm buying. I see this as a convenient development to a thorny problem of how to make Hobbs-Schiano a functional union. Now they won't have to worry about it.

Those guys being scum isn't fake. It's real. They are.

 

[RUJohnny99]

Calling reporters scum is not fake. Not sure how much of the conspiracy theory I'm buying. I see this as a convenient development to a thorny problem of how to make Hobbs-Schiano a functional union. Now they won't have to worry about it.

Calling reporters scum is not fake. Creating a whole narrative about a Soviet style purge because someone called a reporter scum makes for great fan fiction.

It's not like we have football to talk about on this board.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

and why are you buying into the conspiracy theory of what Greg demands...do you have a source? receipts? where is it? sorry people talking doesnt mean anything especially when it comes to Rutgers

lets consider that many people posting in this thread including the OP are strongly against GS..so disclaimer there for all

especially OP ha ha

 

[bac2therac]

Winning, lol. We won some mid teir bowl games. We never even won the BE.

We are in the B1G for one reason. The revenue generated from the NJ market and the fact that Jim Delany was savvy enough to monetize that via carriage fees.

No more. No less. Everything else is window dressing.

Of course, none of that matters as it relates to BM absconding his duties and wrecking the athletic department all before a very unceremonious and dubious ending.

Haha sorry but 3-9 wasnt getting us any invite

 

[bac2therac]

And thats straight from President McCormick

 

[Knight Shift]

As if we have a cliff to fall from. We're already wrecked on the rocks below and have been sitting there waiting for help for three years. I'll take my chances with the only guy to move the needle here.

Well, I respectfully disagree, in the most non-supercilious way possible. :Wink:

Don't think we are in nearly as bad a position as some think. We would be much better off hiring a guy like Mike Leach, who, in my (and other's) estimation would have a better winning record. I understand that the groundswell is in Greg's favor, and that some say "nobody else will take the job." While I disagree with the latter sentiment, I'm on board if Greg comes on board. However, this is not the same Rutgers as 2001 or even 2011, and he cannot run roughshod over the rest of the athletics department. If that is allowed to happen, well, Rutgers will reap what is usually sows.

Onward/upward as they say, because we don't have anyplace else to go.

 

[carolina scarlet]

is the AAC the ACC?

and yes I would rather be in the ACC actually given what I think are the things working against this school in support across the board...fans, interest, donors, money, institutional support, demographics of the state. I believe our ceiling is higher in the ACC across the board in sports, in the Big 10 some of them are limited right off the bat

Thiis was a close call for me; never understand why the ACC did not wrap up the entire Eastcoast by adding Rutgers when it could. Now we find ourselves aligned with similar flagship state schools with mutual academic, athletic and cultural (read that land grant) goals with research capability beyond my imagination when I was an undergrad.

The economic potential is there The negative has been the impact on athletics.

If you consider demographics there is a decided movement of population from the Midwest to the South. Would NJ families rather travel to NC, VA SC and FL to see their sons play ball?

If the new BIG commissioner does not consider a realignment of the divisions I would revisit this issue. Clemson has not allowed its ACC alignment to deter its playoff success. Why not Rutgers?

 

[OC Knight]

Why the need for the coup?

The big donors (Brown, Towers, etc.) can simply tell Hobbs they are pulling their funding unless their choice is hired.

There is simply no need to orchestrate this massive conspiracy to get rid of Hobbs, when Hobbs does not have the sole authority to hire the head coach of his choosing.

Why are so many of you feeding into this, I mean what am I missing here?

Do we really trust Greg Brown to be making decisions on a football coach. The last time we listened to him and his buddy Barry, we got Ash.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Thiis was a close call for me; never understand why the ACC did not wrap up the entire Eastcoast by adding Rutgers when it could.

BASKETBALL that's why. In the ACC Basketball is king. That is why Cuse and L'Ville got in.

 

[carolina scarlet]

BASKETBALL that's why. In the ACC Basketball is king. That is why Cuse and L'Ville got in.

So I imagine Clemson winning national championships and having athletes like Trevor Howard are a figment of my imagination.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Not quite.. I looked it up.. knew it was from-the-hip BS

Mulcahy was AD 1998-2009.. his last 2 years were worse than the 80-something placement you showed.. but we had cut olympic sports. I couldn't find data for 98/99-2002/3 but I'll presume ti was similar to the mid 2000s.

Here's where we ended up in the final standings year by year
2003/4 63
2004/5 66
2005/6 76
2006/7 54
2007/8 126** literally scored NOTHING in any of the tracked sports
2008/9 92

Take out women’s hoops and those rankings tank.

 

[bac2therac]

But but

 

[Ru-baby]

Do we really trust Greg Brown to be making decisions on a football coach. The last time we listened to him and his buddy Barry, we got Ash.

That is a PH trope that I don't believe has had any real basis.

Did he support Hobbs' choice--perhaps.

But the assertion that he ALONE engineered it has come from a very few posters here, with transparent agendas.

 

[ruman]

Thiis was a close call for me; never understand why the ACC did not wrap up the entire Eastcoast by adding Rutgers when it could. Now we find ourselves aligned with similar flagship state schools with mutual academic, athletic and cultural (read that land grant) goals with research capability beyond my imagination when I was an undergrad.

The economic potential is there The negative has been the impact on athletics.

If you consider demographics there is a decided movement of population from the Midwest to the South. Would NJ families rather travel to NC, VA SC and FL to see their sons play ball?

If the new BIG commissioner does not consider a realignment of the divisions I would revisit this issue. Clemson has not allowed its ACC alignment to deter its playoff success. Why not Rutgers?

I’m sure the ACC is clamoring to add Rutgers

 

[DC8690]

I don't think this fairly accounts for the demand there is for a job like the Rutgers AD job. There are even fewer AD openings than football HC openings (the jobs open up less frequently). Rutgers is also going to be getting the most $ it ever has -- by far -- in the coming years.

I wish I could be as optimistic, but if this is happening the way it is reported here, this just will be going to Marco and IMHO that is a big mistake.

 

[carolina scarlet]

I’m sure the ACC is clamoring to add Rutgers

Didn't say now. Should have considered it when the ACC had SU, BC and nothing all the way down to MD.

We are all glad of the lifeline to the BIG. Just tired of the incessant beat downs in the Big East.

 

[Knight Shift]

That is a PH trope that I don't believe has had any real basis.

Did he support Hobbs' choice--perhaps.

But the assertion that he ALONE engineered it has come from a very few posters here, with transparent agendas.

LOL. You are the king of denial.
It's right in the article that was posted here several times.

 

[Upstream]

I'm going into a self-induced coma this afternoon and will hope that all this crap is resolved when the wake-up timer goes off. The question is, what date to set the timer for. Suggestions?

6:30 pm on Sun Dec 8.

At that point Hobbs, or someone else, will have already decided on new football coach and you'll have 30 minutes to freshen up before watching the Rutgers - Mich St basketball game.

 

[munson15]

I posted weeks ago Hobbs wouldn’t survive the new President. If any of this is true it simply accelerates the timeline. And, I’m not surprised. The demise of our football program in such a short time is almost unprecedented. There’s too much risk in the next hire and if the deep pockets don’t trust Hobbs to make the right choice The move to get rid of him needs to happen now.

Such a short time? The demise of the football program started the moment Schiano left the week before National Signing Day and Mario Cristobal turned down the job. Flood’s first year was just the residue of Schiano’s recruits keeping the team afloat.

 

[rubigtimenow]

What’s happening at b-ball that’s so great. Yes, we finally didn’t finish last last year. But one of the captains just transferred and we are not close to making any type of post season.

Wrong!

 

[Caliknight]

Haha sorry but 3-9 wasnt getting us any invite

Neither was Rutgers being in Pennsylvania. We aren't in the B1G because we kept it close in the Insight Bowl.

Regardless, BM was a failure at his job. He was the AD of the whole department, not just football.

If he was even a decent fundraiser he would have been able to properly manage the situation. He wasn't close to decent. He was pathetic at it.

Make no mistake. Fundraising is a massive part of being an AD.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Haha sorry but 3-9 wasnt getting us any invite

wrong

 

[zappaa]

Neither was Rutgers being in Pennsylvania. We aren't in the B1G because we kept it close in the Insight Bowl.

Regardless, BM was a failure at his job. He was the AD of the whole department, not just football.

If he was even a decent fundraiser he would have been able to properly manage the situation. He wasn't close to decent. He was pathetic at it.

Make no mistake. Fundraising is a massive part of being an AD.

I know Delaney, I’ve had meals with him and his close friends from Seton Hall several times.
We don’t sniff the B1G without GS’s tenure.
Unless some other coach provided Pandemonium in Piscataway, 7 Bowl games and a top 40 program.
Sorry, that’s just fact and you can’t argue it.

I agree 100% with you about Delaney’s ability to monetize the situation here and the market

 

[Knightmoves]

6:30 pm on Sun Dec 8.

At that point Hobbs, or someone else, will have already decided on new football coach and you'll have 30 minutes to freshen up before watching the Rutgers - Mich St basketball game.

If Hobbs gets canned then who chooses the next FB HC, Greg Brown?

With no permanent AD the RU job becomes even more dicey for the applicants. As if it wasn’t risky enough.

The real whipsaw will be if this is all being done to hire Greg and make him happy at RU. And then he turns us down.

The RU Screw can end up screwing RU instead of its students, faculty, staff and fans, ha!

 

[Steve91562]

What if one of the things he wants is to underfund basketball to reallocate funds to football (like he did when Mulcahy and Pernetti were here)?

Can't do that. We're in the B10 now. It's not a FB only conference.

 

[bac2therac]

wrong

Wrong

 

[Knight Shift]

According to latest article on NJ.com--Hobbs will be at 150 Celebration at State Theater:

“A Celebration at the Birthplace: 150 Years of College Football,” hosted by BTN’s Dave Revsine, will feature a panel of speakers who will share the stories and experiences around college football. In addition to Revsine, noted college football historian Ron A. Smith, will be on hand to discuss the early years of college football. The panels will include appearances by former Scarlet Knights Marco Battaglia, Brian Leonard and Mike Teel, in addition to athletics director Pat Hobbs, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and Wisconsin athletics director Barry Alvarez.

 

[bac2therac]

2002: 2-10
2003: 2-10
2004: 4-8
2005: 4-8
2006: 4-8
2007: 4-8
2008: 3-9
2009: 3-9
2010: 3-9

No winning seasons...no bowls...no stadium expansion...no attendance...most years 15-25k

Keep dreaming eyeballs mattered in that case

Because they take could Temple too right now