If being paid a lot of money means you can't loose your cool then 98.5% of D-1 coaches should be fired today. And don't say it's different because both work for a college and refs are far more highly though of then reporters.
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If being paid a lot of money means you can't loose your cool then 98.5% of D-1 coaches should be fired today. And don't say it's different because both work for a college and refs are far more highly though of then reporters.
Your posts are always rational and well thought out.
No one really knows what's going on, it's probably all made up gossip and I doubt this is a GS coup--and most reasonable people would agree with you about how RU should hire anyone as their next coach--does anyone really believe Schiano wants this job so badly that he and his allies need to resort to that nonesense
I have said it more than once, but might as well repeat myself because current events keep validating my point. Promote Hobbs to a VP with primary fund raising duties and grab Kraft from Temple as the AD. He is a B1G guy and is going to end up as an AD for one of the B1G schools in the near future, why not us. Also, he has experience hiring new HCs that have all landed P5 jobs after Temple.
This thread will probably go down in the same category of all those flood getting fired threads in 2013. All these people claimed to have inside info that flood was gone ...complete bs and totally wrong .
You can expect things but the reality is that we had 14 wins last year. Not even close.
But yet we have Greg Brown
So the same boosters who pushed him to hire Ash now want him to hire Schiano? What kind of AD office do we have here?
Big donors having influence is one thing; big donors calling the shots is another. The former is expected while the latter can become a huge issue. Where does it end? Through the AD, do they have the ability to dictate to the new HC which offense to run? Which assistants to hire? Which recruits to go after? Always under the threat of turning off the money spigot?
Pat Kraft is indeed a rising star who likely will snag a primo AD job in the Big Ten, which is why he's not likely to view a job in such a dysfunctional athletics department, where a star donor with such a bad eye for coaching hires actually runs the show, as a terrific opportunity. I'd imagine many other prospective ADs would be watching a situation like this unfold as well. Who is going to want a job where they're told that their first big hire has to be a coach no one else is interested in hiring? And then be tied to that "choice" if that coach flames out while the high-power donor lives to put his thumb on the scale of the next hire? That should be really appealing to a talented AD.
As standalone points, these are all solid. As I've said a couple of times, there are elements to this narrative that are complicating.
Don't take away the notion that I'm strongly advocating for this story. I'm relating things that have been told to me. By several different sources. And note that others on this thread have heard similar things - from their own sources, which are different from mine.
I'm of the opinion that everyone should consume these details and come to their own conclusions as to exactly what the circumstances are.
I'm not doubting the validity of your story (while at the same time not accepting its validity either).
I am conjecturing that if the story is valid then the boosters orchestrating this are those without direct authority, as someone with direct authority could more easily execute that authority. I don't see a benefit in creating the turmoil if there is a cleaner way to accomplish the same end.
Pat has done more for this school than any AD before him.
If you are a qualified AD you might ask, what happened to the AD before me? What happened to the AD before him? What happened to the AD before him?
Thanks but no thanks.
And I, in turn, accord equal weight to two possibilities. One, you're totally right. Two, there are details which we don't know which could, in turn, support their actions (as they see it).
I completely applaud him. But that doesn't make what he did not stupid. If there was video of it, he probably would have been canned already. These are the times we live in and such is the environment at RU. You know this. Pat should have too.
Not to mention, Brown and Barchi also gave Hobbs the authority for his alleged "preemptive strike." Hobbs simply could not have fired Ash without their approval. If Brown didn't want Hobbs at Rutgers or making the next hire, Brown had the power to make sure he was dismissed at the same time as Ash -- this just happened with the last coach / AD. Ultimately, no coach is going to get hired without Brown's approval so if this is to be believed, this booster would have been better to make his case to Brown directly (if Hobbs wasn't listening) rather than going to the press with this story.
I agree with the previous sentiment that because there was a lawsuit filed in July, the Athletic Department should have investigated. They need to investigate no matter how specious or ridiculous the allegations seem on their face. If they brushed this under the rug, that is going to be a problem.
Yes he turned college football crowds into Pew Wee football crowds. Bravo. :Eyes: :See:
Yup, onus is on the SL to produce the legal documents they claim they acquired.
Mulcahy got us into the Big 10, end of discusssion thanks, Hobbs hired the worst football coach in school history and made us the worst power 5 school in the country
When you say, this is "next level" stuff, are you alluding to this overall plan? I seriously don't give Rutgers this much credit in strategic thinking. But if this is the end game, its pretty smart. I just don't see Ash's firing, as a defensive move for Hobbs. And i still think the research for this started at least 2 months ago, before Ash was fired. (actually, in one of the podcasts, Sarge mentions that he is working on a big story but doesn't say what.) I think it was literally the week Ash was fired; like within 2 days of when he was fired. so if this grande scheme plays out, kudos, but i don't think the timeline of the whole conspiracy theory works.
Rutgers competitors have a lot more money now too. Rutgers was eventually spending on football in the 2000s the most in the conference. That isn't going to happen now.
Whoever the coach is needs to agree with the administration as to a budget level before they're hired and then needs to live within that. Such a budget level should not include starving other sports at this time, in my opinion. If candidate X for coach says they need to spend what Penn State does on football to be successful then they aren't the right candidate for this job.
Pat had us higher than BM ever did.
https://nacda.com/documents/2019/6/27//June28DIOverall.pdf?id=3678
What does that link prove? Do you know where we ended up every year BM was AD?
For what? Look, its clear the choice is GS. It's clear Hobbs doesn't want him, isn't enthused by the idea of working with him. You don't want the two primary people in your sports program to be at odds. That relationship has to be aligned. It's been clear to me and I've been posting about it, that he overplayed his hand and blew it with Schiano by showing nothing short of complete disrespect for a guy that got us into the B1G.
The two of them were never going to work together. It was one or the other and replacing Hobbs and risking not being able to replicate what he does is a lot lower risk than hiring a football coach that likely loses 75-0 in year one and never recovers. Rutgers needs Schiano, right now. Maybe not a championship coach but a guy that will definitely bull dog this program out of the basement and to some level of respectability. So, goodbye Pat Hobbs.
By removing Hobbs under the guise of a scandal, you take it off Schiano. Just fire him and the Hobbs supporters are bitter. This way, its completely separate. Well played by all involved
This is the scariest part of the whole situation. What qualified AD is going to want this position? Not one, and we will hire another puppet AD.
You know it really isn't that simple. It sounds like a great snippet. Where did Hobbs get Ash's name from? Likely Greg Brown. Who was a huge proponent of Ash? Greg Brown, who got a glowing review of Ash from his friend Barry Alavarez. Now that does not exculpate Hobbs' ultimate decision. But considering the hire was basically done 5 or 6 days after Hobbs was hired, it is misleading to say "Hobbs hired the worst football coach in school history." There are the other usual actors, namely Barchi and the cheap BOG.
Yea, we were in the hundreds when BM was the AD.
The athletic director of B1G schools overseas all sports. Not just football.
BM blew it.
no Bob, no Greg, no Big 10...facts, anything else doesnt matter....Bob could have had us there too if he was still ad
There was a better way to do it.
BM was the worst fundraiser I've ever seen.
No NJ eyeballs no B1G.
Long thread and not a pleasant read by any means. I don't know what is fact or fiction, but I still struggle to understand how a group of donors could believe it would be worthwhile and/or beneficial to Rutgers to go to these means to get Hobbs fired to achieve an end objective of getting GS hired as HC.
This would become the primary topic at GS's introductory press conference and result in questions about his participation in the process and who he thinks should be the new AD assuming that a permanent hire would not be made in advance of his hiring.
I see no upside to this playing out in the manner supposedly intended. We will just continue to be sidetracked by peripheral issues that will delay all parties being focused on the major task at hand which is raising this ship from the depths of the ocean where it currently sits.
This would become the primary topic at GS's introductory press conference and result in questions about his participation in the process and who he thinks should be the new AD assuming that a permanent hire would not be made in advance of his hiring.
I see no upside to this playing out in the manner supposedly intended. We will just continue to be sidetracked by peripheral issues that will delay all parties being focused on the major task at hand which is raising this ship from the depths of the ocean where it currently sits.
But isn't it possible that something was the right tactic in 2006 but isn't the right tactic now? Rutgers is already in the Big Ten. They don't now need to do what Bob M did in the 2000s. Right now, they need a plan that is sustainable for all sports going forward. No coach of any sport should dictate that -- it should be an administrative planned decision.
The notion that any football coach should also be AD or really have any role in AD management is ridiculous. In 2019, being head football coach is already more than a full time job. Not to mention, putting too much power in any one person almost always turns out badly.
and why are you buying into the conspiracy theory of what Greg demands...do you have a source? receipts? where is it? sorry people talking doesnt mean anything especially when it comes to Rutgers
lets consider that many people posting in this thread including the OP are strongly against GS..so disclaimer there for all
The difference between an extremely healthy football program and the one we have is an extra $30-$40 million in revenue. And that's before the added contributions by alumni who reconnect with the school because of the excitement around football. The football coach isn't equal to the other coaches or the AD for that matter.
For anything. Or for nothing at all. Hobbs' contract allows him to be fired without cause. There doesn't need to be a reason to fire him.