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Greg Brown was *definitely* involved in the hiring of Ash, which ended up being a catastrophic failure. Hobbs didn't make that hire in a bubble in his first week. If he's really trying to force his will on Hobbs now years later to hire someone else, why is his judgement any better this time?
I get that boosters want what boosters want, that money talks, and that people with that kind of money aren't always rational. It's an AD's job to make decisions and a booster's job to sign (or not sign) checks... if boosters are making the decisions, that's when the system starts to break down.
I get that boosters want what boosters want, that money talks, and that people with that kind of money aren't always rational. It's an AD's job to make decisions and a booster's job to sign (or not sign) checks... if boosters are making the decisions, that's when the system starts to break down.
I think you're looking at the wrong booster. Brown is chair of the BOG Athletic Committee. If Brown wanted to force his will on Hobbs, he would just tell Hobbs what to do. He doesn't need to create a scandal.
Not saying he created a scandal - just that he's allegedly putting pressure on Hobbs to hire Schiano, after he clearly was part of the decision tree to hire Ash.
Agree. I wanted Ash fired last season along with many others. To fire him mid season, without any sort of a plan (he engaged only recently a search firm) and not having a successor lined up was a fumble. Firing him when he did also gave the Art and Raheem mess. He could have waited and had a plan in place. Instead it looks like he panicked.
The one advantage to firing Ash mid season was to get a jump on the hiring process. He is fumbling that away as well.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
"Brown has remained tight with Alvarez ever since [2011], and when the Scarlet Knights played at Wisconsin on Oct. 31, he watched the game in Alvarez's private box."
"Chris did a great job for us at Wisconsin,'' Alvarez said. "He's ready to be a head coach. I think he's a great fit for Rutgers. He'll do an outstanding job recruiting. He knows our league. He's been around some really good people throughout his career. It's an excellent selection, and I'm really happy to have him as a head coach in our league.''
"He's very thorough,'' Alvarez said of Ash. "He's an excellent teacher and motivator. I was a defensive coordinator, and when you're coaching defenses you have to learn about offenses, and I'm sure that will help him as far as selecting the type of person that he wants to run his offense.''
"people familiar with the process that led to AD Julie Hermann's and football coach Kyle Flood's firings have said Brown was one of the key figures who advised university President Robert Barchi on the sweeping changes."
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2015/12/wisconsin_ad_barry_alvarez_gave_strong_recommendat.html
I am going to the panel discussion next week where Alvarez is on the panel. Will do my best to ask Barry--
"In 2015, you were very sure that Chris Ash was going to do a great job for Rutgers in recruiting and picking a person to run the offense. What do you have to say about that now, Barry?"
We agree more than we disagree on a lot of things, but I have to disagree with you here.
First, Hobbs said he was going to hire a search firm within 2 weeks of the presser after Ash was fired, and he delivered on that exactly. In that regard, do you think Hobbs would be floating a contract for approval and be negotiating for a search firm WHILE Ash was still head coach? You just don't do that, as it surely would have leaked out, and it would have been a horrible look to be sneaking behind your head coach while he was still employed. The correct move is to do what Hobbs did- fire and then hire the search firm.
And disagree that he is fumbling away the hiring process. No coach, whether it is somebody who can start right now is going to come in and hitch their wagon to this train wreck of a season and have a losing record to start with.
at other schools this works, at Rutgers we just have a small amount of boosters so their power is greater because they hold the cash, unfortunately its where we are at right now
the correct move was **** canning him last year especially if the donors were paying up for that.
Rutgers is going to have more funds that they did in 2006 right>
I would assume Greg wants football as top billing for the school and it should be. it drives the bus on everything
We do agree more than we disagree and I respect your opinions very much. However; I feel Hobbs blew it big time by not firing Ash last year. Season tix and revenue declined as many predicted here and he killed any enthusiasm for the season and set the rebuild back another year.
Further, knowing Ash was on the hot seat going into the season, he should have had a list of candidates ready to go on day one. That is just proper foresight and planning. I was not expecting a hire to start coaching mid season but at least an announcement to generate some excitement among the recruits and let the hire come in to evaluate the program before starting. His window of opportunity is closing and he does not even realize it.
Not sure where you get not even close, NIT is expected this year at the least, and if that does not happen the season will be seen as a failure and Pike will be on the hot seat.
Please do!!!Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
"Brown has remained tight with Alvarez ever since [2011], and when the Scarlet Knights played at Wisconsin on Oct. 31, he watched the game in Alvarez's private box."
"Chris did a great job for us at Wisconsin,'' Alvarez said. "He's ready to be a head coach. I think he's a great fit for Rutgers. He'll do an outstanding job recruiting. He knows our league. He's been around some really good people throughout his career. It's an excellent selection, and I'm really happy to have him as a head coach in our league.''
"He's very thorough,'' Alvarez said of Ash. "He's an excellent teacher and motivator. I was a defensive coordinator, and when you're coaching defenses you have to learn about offenses, and I'm sure that will help him as far as selecting the type of person that he wants to run his offense.''
"people familiar with the process that led to AD Julie Hermann's and football coach Kyle Flood's firings have said Brown was one of the key figures who advised university President Robert Barchi on the sweeping changes."
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2015/12/wisconsin_ad_barry_alvarez_gave_strong_recommendat.html
I am going to the panel discussion next week where Alvarez is on the panel. Will do my best to ask Barry--
"In 2015, you were very sure that Chris Ash was going to do a great job for Rutgers in recruiting and picking a person to run the offense. What do you have to say about that now, Barry?"
It wasn’t just basketball. He decimated every sport. MLAX had glorified high school budgets.
The donors most likely told nj.com about the disgruntled former players (whenever there is a new head coach, at any school, there is a cleaning house process, this happens at all sports at all schools) , contacted the same lawyer from the last fake story and planted the seeds that way. The Outburst most likely was the result of Hobbs already knowing they were already trying to do this to push him out.
with all due respect no one cares about lax when we were trying to build a football program from nothing that led to a Big 10 invitation
You're missing the point. Brown has actual authority over the coaching hire as part of his role on the BOG. He doesn't need to exert pressure as a booster. Of course he was part of the decision to hire Ash, and he will be part of the decision to hire the next coach, because that is his job on the BOG. (And, yes, picking Ash was the wrong call.)
I won’t comment on football but all of our sports sucked because of the singular football focus.
That ain’t B1G time.
1) The job is not open.
2) Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
did Schiano control Stringers $1 million salary too
i know you are not stupid but its the only reason we got into the Big 10. If football was going 3-9 in the Big East every year, all the tv sets in the world that the area provides wouldnt get us an invite
that’s not true. Lax has one of the most active alum bases.
and all that focus on football was supposed to create revenue that dropped down to other sports. That never happened when Schiano was here.
In fact, football was losing more money than all the other programs combined.
do you think Hobbs could fire Ash last year without the support of the donors (or donor)?
and to go back even further - retaining Flood?
I'm glad people are finally figuring out who exactly is calling the shots.
If Hobbs is fired, and Schiano is brought on board as HC and defacto AD, 5 years from now, when the football program still can't win more than 5 games (while the other sports go down the pits), you people who clamored for Greg will be the same people gnashing your teeth for having made the deal with the devil.
Rutgers gonna Rutgers.
We got into the B1G because of money. TV eyeball dollars. Our poor to very mediocre football history had little to do with that.
One can argue we could have gotten the same results without decimating every other sport we fielded, which is ample.
If GS expects those same benefits now, he’s not the coach for the school. No B1G school operates like that. For good reason.
at no school that I know of where boosters put up cash, does the AD freely makes whatever decision he chooses, without booster input. At Maryland, Kevin Plank has great sway. At Oregon, it’s Phil Knight. At Oklahoma State, it’s T Boone Pickens. You put up significant cash, you get a place at the table.
sorry but we were not getting into the Big 10, if we didnt have winning seasons in football, I got that directly from Mr and Mrs McCormick.
4-8 seasons through the 2000s wouldnt be getting us an invite, thats not winning, no bowls..lol yeah okay
donors call shots because they have money, what is the issue. Donors were wrong in 2013 because they wouldnt give the money to Julie unless it was an experienced head coach, we could have had Tom Hermann. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, but they the bills at a school whose President does not give a **** about athletics and whose alums in general do not care
But it took the Texas Bowl forcing local cable companies to carry the NFL Network to prove that Rutgers had enough influence to allow the Big Ten to monetize our TV market. It is important to note that only Rutgers was able to force local cable companies to carry the NFL Network. Kansas State was unable to do so, and neither were Minnesota or Texas Tech for their bowl game on the NFL Network.
This is why we are in the Big Ten: https://www.espn.com/college-football/bowls06/news/story?id=2706450
How do you know that he didn't have a list of candidates? A lot of assumptions being made by a lot of people. Only Hobbs and a couple of people in his inner circle know these things for sure. And the same can be said for everything in this entire thread. But there is a lot of smoke right now, and it seems that there is fire this time. But I always go back to the Flood is getting fired after USF game in 2013 to remind myself that sometimes the smoke is just smoke.
It’s up for debate. What isn’t is there are a number of ways to accomplish something. How BM handled the department, which btw, is his job, was horrific.
Did boosters make Hobbs go on a profanity laced tirade to reporters as well?
This. Highly doubt that Greg Brown is part of any of the underhanded crap that may be going on, but that's just a wild guess/assessment from afar.
The Notre Dame AD and board wanted to join a conference but the biggest donors basically told them that they would never donate again if they ever joined a conference for football so they didn't. Whatever money they are losing out on for being an indy, the donors are making up the difference.
There are endless more examples.
There are endless more examples.
If Hobbs is so good at his job, and apparently is dialed in with the key folks, why didn't he see this coming? It seems to me that Hobbs confused the passion and support for the program with passion and support for him. I fall into the category believing that the next hire is critical to the next 20+ years of this program. We simply cannot get it wrong, and if the shot callers and money folks don't believe in Hobbs, he is not surviving irrespective of his amateur hour outburst to the press.