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LOL. You are the king of denial.
It's right in the article that was posted here several times.

Can you repost the link to the article. I'm not sure I read it.

Also, which narrative does the article support? The narrative where Brown and Alverez are friends and Brown asked Alverez for his opinion on various coaches being considered by Rutgers and Brown then relayed those opinions to Hobbs to factor into Hobb's decision, or the narrative where Brown and Alverez are friends and Brown asked Alverez for a short-list of coaches to hire and then Brown told Hobbs to hire the guy at the top of the list?
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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Look at Rutgers history.
Gary Waters "resigns" because he missed a game because his flight was delayed after he accepted an award out of state with Fred Hill waiting in the wings.

Bob Mulcahy forced to resign because of some trumped up crap in stories from the Star Liar fed to them by the Rutgers 1000.

Tim Pernetti thrown under the bus/fired after he asked his boss to review the video but did not.

Hobbs' alleged attack on the reporter for today's story sounds like the typical ticky tack nonsense they would fire someone for.

Rutgers gonna Rutgers.
It would be a miracle if Rutgers attracted an experienced, winning coach. No successful coach would sign up for this shitshow.
 

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The buzz I'm hearing amounts to a coordinated, high-level booster-led takedown of Pat Hobbs.

Today's news story is not the last - there's more coming.

By Thanksgiving I predict that Pat Hobbs will be our former AD, that Sarah Baumgartner may be our former assistant AD and Greg Schiano will be the next Rutgers football coach.

May God have mercy on our souls.

So this.
 

RUScrew85

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It's not that.

Hobbs may not think that Schiano is the ideal candidate. But there are people of influence who have resolved to get rid of him, football coaching hire notwithstanding.

There's some indication that this whole thing has been an orchestrated race to the bottom - that Pat, knowledgeable of his situation, fired Ash when he did as a preemptive strike, knowing that no qualified AD candidate would want to inherit a brand-new football coach hired by his predecessor.

As I said in the other thread, this is next-level ****, for Rutgers.

That's F-ed up if true.

BTW we've been hearing both Schiano in and Hobbs out too.
 
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2002: 2-10
2003: 2-10
2004: 4-8
2005: 4-8
2006: 4-8
2007: 4-8
2008: 3-9
2009: 3-9
2010: 3-9

No winning seasons...no bowls...no stadium expansion...no attendance...most years 15-25k

Keep dreaming eyeballs mattered in that case

Because they take could Temple too right now
Read my post on the previous page, it clears this up Bac
 

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So we are going to do the whole Pernetti, Julie Hermann, thing a third time? Just to get St. Greg back? Fan-freaking-tastic.

The people who call that shots at Rutgers are f*cking idiots. Like, irreparably stupid f*cking people. If I didn't get two degrees from RU, I would have walked away a long time ago. I may walk away over this. You cannot donate to this organization and feel good about it.

For the first time in forever, everything was actually moving in the right direction. ANd now they are going to jettison it, to get their beloved .500 coach back. Its beyond belief.

Rutgers gonna Rutgers
 
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Knight Shift

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Can you repost the link to the article. I'm not sure I read it.

Also, which narrative does the article support? The narrative where Brown and Alverez are friends and Brown asked Alverez for his opinion on various coaches being considered by Rutgers and Brown then relayed those opinions to Hobbs to factor into Hobb's decision, or the narrative where Brown and Alverez are friends and Brown asked Alverez for a short-list of coaches to hire and then Brown told Hobbs to hire the guy at the top of the list?
Here's the link.
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2015/12/wisconsin_ad_barry_alvarez_gave_strong_recommendat.html

Mostly like supports the first narrative (Brown asked Alvarez for his opinion on various coaches being considered by Rutgers and Brown then relayed those opinions to Hobbs to factor into Hobbs' decision). These are Alvarez' words (presumably, the "he" is Greg Brown):
"He asked me about people (coaching),'' Alvarez said, "and I told him what I felt on different coaches that he mentioned to me.''

"Chris did a great job for us at Wisconsin,'' Alvarez said. "He's ready to be a head coach. I think he's a great fit for Rutgers. He'll do an outstanding job recruiting. He knows our league. He's been around some really good people throughout his career. It's an excellent selection, and I'm really happy to have him as a head coach in our league.''


"He's very thorough,'' Alvarez said of Ash. "He's an excellent teacher and motivator. I was a defensive coordinator, and when you're coaching defenses you have to learn about offenses, and I'm sure that will help him as far as selecting the type of person that he wants to run his offense.''
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Who knows how that information was relayed to Hobbs and whether Ash was put at the top of the list. But Alvarez was just gushing about Ash. And he turned out to be horribly wrong about being a great fit at Rutgers, doing an outstanding job recruiting, and Ash's ability to select the person who wants to run his offense.

I would go in the complete opposite direction of any further outside advice from other ADs on whom to hire.
 
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Man please Mr Hobbs is not going anywhere , but the softball coach will be gone for sure and I can tell you that
 

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Mostly like supports the first narrative (Brown asked Alvarez for his opinion on various coaches being considered by Rutgers and Brown then relayed those opinions to Hobbs to factor into Hobbs' decision).

Well, that's a very different narrative than what is floating around this board: that Alverez and Brown engineered the selection of Chris Ash and forced it on Hobbs.
 
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The first is true. It's a bad reaction by a guy who has been taking a LOT of fire, lately.

The second..? You're underthinking it.
He’s probably stayed calmer then 99% of the people on this board would have. Wouldn’t want his job for any amount of money. Times like these take years off your life.
 
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Man please Mr Hobbs is not going anywhere , but the softball coach will be gone for sure and I can tell you that

Softball coach is gonna get fired for making Division 1 ATHLETES do wind sprints? Because 6 whiny kids didn’t like the fact that they got beat out by kids who were better and/or who put the effort in couldn’t cut it?? We’ll never get another decent coach yo come here for any sport again if we go that.
 

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Well, that's a very different narrative than what is floating around this board: that Alverez and Brown engineered the selection of Chris Ash and forced it on Hobbs.
I don't think I put that one forth, and if I did or implied that's the way it went down, I was wrong.
 

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... We are in the B1G for one reason. The revenue generated from the NJ market and the fact that Jim Delany was savvy enough to monetize that via carriage fees.

No more. No less. Everything else is window dressing....

No way anyone sells Rutgers to the B10 Presidents w/o the winning football. There's a reason Rice will not get into the B10 even though they are AAU with excellent academics in great market with fertile recruiting. Call it whatever you want, but the "window dressing" in this case was necessary for the sale.
 
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No, they didn't.

But there's a lot we don't know about that exchange. For example, we don't know the specific line of questioning that caused him to go off.

Think about it for a moment. If a reporter calls Pat and says, "We're planning on running a story about the lawsuit filed several months ago concerning the softball coach and allegations of player abuse, do you have any comment?", why would that trigger Pat into a "profanity-laced tirade"?

I think there's a better chance that they asked him about something else. Something that isn't explicitly mentioned in the article.

As for firing him vs. ginning up some kind of controversy, that's an easy one. It plays into the larger strategy.

Brown is on the BoG. The expectation is that Amy Towers will also be on the BoG. The plan is to spin up an independent entity to have oversight with regard to athletics, similar to that at other competitive schools - see the University of Florida's "University Athletics Association". This entity would have complete control over all aspects of the athletic program, with a dotted line to the BoG, but would be independent of the Office of the President.

Another athletics controversy at RU sharpens the narrative into something like, "There have been too many problems under the current operating model and, with Big 10 membership, athletics is too important to be managed in the traditional mode, going forward."
Now that's big picture. In this scenario, Hobbs is just collateral damage in a larger restructuring power play. Creating chaos makes far more sense from this perspective.
 

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LOL. You are the king of denial.
It's right in the article that was posted here several times

How many times and by how many posters can your circular always correct MO be identified.

Your assertion that Hobbs had nothing to do with the Ash hire is laughable.

Just because you keep posting it doesn't make it true.
 
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...........

Brown is on the BoG. The expectation is that Amy Towers will also be on the BoG. The plan is to spin up an independent entity to have oversight with regard to athletics, similar to that at other competitive schools - see the University of Florida's "University Athletics Association". This entity would have complete control over all aspects of the athletic program, with a dotted line to the BoG, but would be independent of the Office of the President.

Another athletics controversy at RU sharpens the narrative into something like, "There have been too many problems under the current operating model and, with Big 10 membership, athletics is too important to be managed in the traditional mode, going forward."

https://deadspin.com/florida-state-is-privatizing-its-athletic-department-to-1835378761

no way this flies in NJ

Florida State’s privatization is far from the first in Florida, as schools like theUniversity of Florida and University of Central Floridahave been benefitting for years from a state law that allows them to classify their athletics programs as “direct-support organizations”—essentially, a private, non-profit corporation separate from the university. With this new privatization, FSU’s athletics department will be able to decline any public record requests it doesn’t want to answer, taking formerly public records away from outsiders.

 

MADHAT1

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How many times and by how many posters can your circular always correct MO be identified.

Your assertion that Hobbs had nothing to do with the Ash hire is laughable.

Just because you keep posting it doesn't make it true.
The same search firm that brought in the RU MBB HC also helped in the Flood's replacement search.

If memory serves me correct I once posted that search firm took 6 weeks to sort out candidates
for Hobbs to consider and someone corrected me and said it was a 6 day search .
That might mean Hobbs took too little time on his own and relied too much on the search firm .
 

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Hey, I have a question: Is it going down?
 

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https://deadspin.com/florida-state-is-privatizing-its-athletic-department-to-1835378761

no way this flies in NJ

Florida State’s privatization is far from the first in Florida, as schools like theUniversity of Florida and University of Central Floridahave been benefitting for years from a state law that allows them to classify their athletics programs as “direct-support organizations”—essentially, a private, non-profit corporation separate from the university. With this new privatization, FSU’s athletics department will be able to decline any public record requests it doesn’t want to answer, taking formerly public records away from outsiders.

You say that, although I would wager you don't have any concrete evidence which suggests it wouldn't.

But this is exactly the point.
 

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Do you disagree that having a reason is better than not having a reason? That its not better when you consider ramifications from the percentage of constituents who support him and will be bitter?

He just destroyed his relationship with the NJ media. He called them "scum." Even Julie Herman wasn't that stupid and they treated her a lot worse. He can't go on from here, having done that.
WHAT!!! Julie ,at a public forum, said out loud she hoped the ENTIRE paper was shut down--by the way during a time period when their employees were fighting to keep their jobs--not just a few beat sports reporters
 

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this theory about Bob M being set up needs some history--first I liked him and supported his efforts--but in truth many in NJ political circles, outside of the university, with the help of Star Ledger's "reporting" seized upon the info that Bob was lossey goosey with expense accounts and spending--you can spend but better have receipts/justification when politicians are after you
 

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WHAT!!! Julie ,at a public forum, said out loud she hoped the ENTIRE paper was shut down--by the way during a time period when their employees were fighting to keep their jobs--not just a few beat sports reporters


wrong..it was at a private appearance at a journalism class at RU where she was speaking on trying to handle the media as AD and balance everything..it was an offhanded comment like a joke...waaaaaaaaaaaah....and she was right tho...the NJ press should be shut down and lose their jobs, they are vile, just like the msm in washington. All they look for are clicks and scalps
 

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https://deadspin.com/florida-state-is-privatizing-its-athletic-department-to-1835378761

no way this flies in NJ

Florida State’s privatization is far from the first in Florida, as schools like theUniversity of Florida and University of Central Floridahave been benefitting for years from a state law that allows them to classify their athletics programs as “direct-support organizations”—essentially, a private, non-profit corporation separate from the university. With this new privatization, FSU’s athletics department will be able to decline any public record requests it doesn’t want to answer, taking formerly public records away from outsiders.
I don't know if this kind of move would shield Rutgers Athletics from NJ's open records act. So I don't know if that is a benefit.

The clear benefits to Rutgers would be to separate Rutgers Athletics finances from University Finances. But as long as the University continues to subsidize Athletics, I don't think this move makes sense. I'm not sure how the subsidy would work under this type of structure. The structure really only makes sense for self-sufficient athletic departments.

As far as control, the FSU example puts the Athletic department corporation under a board consisting of the University President, Athletic Director, a member of the university governing board, a faculty representative, and the head of the athletic fundraising organization (at Rutgers, this would likely be equivalent to the head of R Fund).

So how is this different from Rutgers from an oversight perspective. At Rutgers the athletic department is already run by the Athletic Director who reports to the President and there is oversight from a member of the BOG who chairs the athletic committee. So that part is pretty much the same. Rutgers doesn't have direct Faculty involvement, so that part changes. Also, at Rutgers the head of R Fund reports to the Athletic Director with dotted line reporting to the Rutgers University Foundation. If Rutgers reorganized similar to FSU, the relationship between R Fund and RUF would change, and R Fund would probably need its own board of overseers.

So the only real change would be more financial autonomy for Athletics, but that doesn't seem to be a benefit if Athletics is being subsidized, as is planned for the foreseeable future.
 

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I don't know if this kind of move would shield Rutgers Athletics from NJ's open records act. So I don't know if that is a benefit.

The clear benefits to Rutgers would be to separate Rutgers Athletics finances from University Finances. But as long as the University continues to subsidize Athletics, I don't think this move makes sense. I'm not sure how the subsidy would work under this type of structure. The structure really only makes sense for self-sufficient athletic departments.

As far as control, the FSU example puts the Athletic department corporation under a board consisting of the University President, Athletic Director, a member of the university governing board, a faculty representative, and the head of the athletic fundraising organization (at Rutgers, this would likely be equivalent to the head of R Fund).

So how is this different from Rutgers from an oversight perspective. At Rutgers the athletic department is already run by the Athletic Director who reports to the President and there is oversight from a member of the BOG who chairs the athletic committee. So that part is pretty much the same. Rutgers doesn't have direct Faculty involvement, so that part changes. Also, at Rutgers the head of R Fund reports to the Athletic Director with dotted line reporting to the Rutgers University Foundation. If Rutgers reorganized similar to FSU, the relationship between R Fund and RUF would change, and R Fund would probably need its own board of overseers.

So the only real change would be more financial autonomy for Athletics, but that doesn't seem to be a benefit if Athletics is being subsidized, as is planned for the foreseeable future.

To your point (apologies for quoting the whole post), UF's University Athletics Association collects student fees. It's their one university-derived revenue stream. They use the money to offset student ticket costs.
 

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To your point (apologies for quoting the whole post), UF's University Athletics Association collects student fees. It's their one university-derived revenue stream. They use the money to offset student ticket costs.

I don't think that would have to go away at Rutgers if Athletics is a separate corporate entity. I was thinking more along the lines of direct institutional support.

Once Rutgers Athletics is self sufficient, this type of organization might offer political cover. It is harder to claim that Rutgers wastes tax payer dollars on athletics when the athletic department is a financially-independent self-sufficient corporation.

Other than that, I'm not sure it makes a whole lot of difference at Rutgers. Florida State is different. In Florida the structure also provides shelter from open records. More importantly, FSU's governing board and president are wholly political appointees, unlike Rutgers where the Board of Trustees provides some political shielding. So this structure helps shelter the athletic department from direct political interference (though not from indirect interference).
 

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wrong..it was at a private appearance at a journalism class at RU where she was speaking on trying to handle the media as AD and balance everything..it was an offhanded comment like a joke...waaaaaaaaaaaah....and she was right tho...the NJ press should be shut down and lose their jobs, they are vile, just like the msm in washington. All they look for are clicks and scalps
"private" forum before a class on journalism --you're kidding ? but you still persist to defend that failure of an AD --and by the way hundreds of families losing their jobs is not something that should be taken lightly--heck the reporters are a small fraction of the paper's workers
 

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To your point (apologies for quoting the whole post), UF's University Athletics Association collects student fees. It's their one university-derived revenue stream. They use the money to offset student ticket costs.
I believe the fees UF charges are $140 per season ticket for football (maybe 10,000) plus $19 per credit activity fee (all students). That adds up to a number close to our subsidy.
 

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How many times and by how many posters can your circular always correct MO be identified.

Your assertion that Hobbs had nothing to do with the Ash hire is laughable.

Just because you keep posting it doesn't make it true.
Where did I say that? Don't attribute stuff to me that I never said. I'm done responding to you.
 

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2002: 2-10
2003: 2-10
2004: 4-8
2005: 4-8
2006: 4-8
2007: 4-8
2008: 3-9
2009: 3-9
2010: 3-9

No winning seasons...no bowls...no stadium expansion...no attendance...most years 15-25k

Keep dreaming eyeballs mattered in that case

Because they take could Temple too right now

Temple doesn't bring the NY market. Rutgers does.

HUGE difference.
 

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Softball coach is gonna get fired for making Division 1 ATHLETES do wind sprints? Because 6 whiny kids didn’t like the fact that they got beat out by kids who were better and/or who put the effort in couldn’t cut it?? We’ll never get another decent coach yo come here for any sport again if we go that.

How long before Rutgers best softball player who is a sophomore transfers?

The coach has some solid recruits coming in. I'd never go to Rutgers now. For any sport.
 
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wrong..it was at a private appearance at a journalism class at RU where she was speaking on trying to handle the media as AD and balance everything..it was an offhanded comment like a joke...waaaaaaaaaaaah....and she was right tho...the NJ press should be shut down and lose their jobs, they are vile, just like the msm in washington. All they look for are clicks and scalps


When did you become such a redneck? Very surprising imo.