Italy...

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Not the only way, but I did read where Iran traced it back to a merchant who was traveling back and forth from China.

 

[00Dawg]

We also need to define "younger".

To date this virus is having minimal impact on our population of healthy individuals up through at least 30, and the 30-50 age band is doing pretty well statistically, too.

Hopefully that continues and the question eventually is debated at high levels about whether we should have kept college students on campus rather than dispersing them.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I understand we are more spread out than italy by and large but there are four cities in the US that together have more people in them than italy has in their whole country. We have population centers that are very dense. It's probably better to compare what's going on in our big cities to their big cities.

Yep and I'm not big city. And we are in the US of hoarding for ourselves A where everything wrong in my life can absolutely be blamed on others and I don't have to care about anything that doesn't impact me directly. So I'm good.***

 

[johnson86-1]

Where are you getting your news that has led you to the apparent conclusion that the only way to get his virus is to come into contact with someone who has recently been to China?

There's a big difference between having several thousand Chinese "seed" the virus in Northern Italy versus several thousand seeding the virus in the US.

Who knows what the actual numbers are. I suspect some of our major metropolitan areas will look a lot like Italy except they will have more healthcare capacity (hopefully enough to avoid buckling).

IT would probalby make a lot more sense to compare states to European countries rather than the US as a whole.

 

[J-Dawg]

I understand we are more spread out than italy by and large but there are four cities in the US that together have more people in them than italy has in their whole country. We have population centers that are very dense. It's probably better to compare what's going on in our big cities to their big cities.

That’s very true and is the most applicable. I also believe that an Italy-style lockdown is appropriate for those dense areas And big cities. Appropriate for rural areas where you may not even come into contact with a non family member if you don’t have to? I think that’s a bit much.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Share of the Population Ages 65 and Older, 2015	Share of the Population With a Remaining Life Expectancy of 15 Years or Less
Rank	Country	%	Rank	Country	%
1	Japan	26.0	1	Bulgaria	18.1
2	Italy	22.4	2	Latvia	16.5
3	Germany	21.1	3	Ukraine	15.6
4	Portugal	20.7	4	Croatia	15.6
5	Finland	20.3	5	Serbia	15.2
6	Bulgaria	20.1	6	Germany	15.0
7	Greece	19.9	7	Lithuania	14.9
8	Sweden	19.6	8	Hungary	14.4
9	Latvia	19.3	9	Romania	14.4
10	Denmark	19.0	10	Georgia	14.4

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https://www.prb.org/which-country-has-the-oldest-population/

 

[J-Dawg]

Good news for us is that, at least based on this one graphic, we have 3x the capacity to handle critically ill patients than Italy does.

https://sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/Un...vailability-for-COVID-19?_zs=jxpjd1&_zl=w9pb6

I’ve been wondering how Germany’s death rate is so so low.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Yea good thing we don't have Chinese people living, working, and traveling back and forth to China in this country. Everyone that enjoys the luxuries of modern society is "in bed with China Commies".

DS or HD can confirm the existence, if not the "name", but growing up and going to the convenience store in Vicksburg, my grandmother, a very sweet woman, would refer to going to the "chinaman store" to get things. Not even kidding. It was actually called the Hillcrest Shopette, but I had to get above reading age to know that...

 

[PBRME]

If you count obesity as a chronic condition, 6 in 10 Americans have a chronic health condition.

I haven’t seen anything saying obesity but the side effects are. Heart disease, and diabetes. Asthma is apparently a big risk factor also. 34 year old in CA does this week. His only underlying heath issue was childhood asthma he outgrew.

 

[Megiddo]

I’ve been wondering how Germany’s death rate is so so low.

Their testing is far more numerous and time-efficient than ours, they were able to treat those who tested positive earlier, whereas in our cases we have people dying in the hospital before the test showed positive.

The US lost two weeks because the only test that the CDC had approved to created at that time eventually proved to be inaccurate. That was crucial time that we lost. You can read about the inadequacies of the decisions made by the CDC and FDA in the article linked below, which compares the US response to the South Korean one.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-to-test-people-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN2153BW

 

[Miketice]

Italy released a report today that 99% of those that died had at least one underlying health issue, and that almost 70% had two or more.

Hell everyone I know has "underlying health issues ". How many Americans don't ?

 

[She Mate Me]

Additional info...

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[Len2003]

Obesity is an underlying condition. It's an official diagnosis.

 

[GloryDawg]

Thats not true. Italy banned travel from china the day after their first case. We banned travel from
china with exceptions 10 days after the first US case. Sorry if no sub.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Did the EU banned also banned the flight and did Italy close it boarders to the rest of the EU?

 

[oh yeah]

I think I read that NY accounts for 40 percent of Covid Cases in the US with NYC accounting for 30 percent alone.

 

[J-Dawg]

I haven’t seen anything saying obesity but the side effects are. Heart disease, and diabetes. Asthma is apparently a big risk factor also. 34 year old in CA does this week. His only underlying heath issue was childhood asthma he outgrew.

To be fair, the guy from California was also a cancer survivor according to the multiple articles I read.

 

[o_1984Dawg]

Our healthcare system is significantly better than Italy's. We won't be "the next Italy" in terms of death rate.

I've seen this claimed by a few people. But if their system is so bad, how do they all live to be so old?

I don't think we will turn out as bad as Italy, but ultimately I would put that down to an advantage in time more than anything else.

 

[8dog]

No idea what you are asking but im sure there is good source data to answer it out there

 

[o_Hot Rock]

Our healthcare system is significantly better than Italy's. We won't be "the next Italy" in terms of death rate.

Is that true? https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

The World Health Organization ranks Italy 2nd in the world and the United States? 37th. Get this... the USA does not have good healthcare for a large segment of the population. You got plenty of $$$ then yes, you can get good healthcare but if not, you may not.

Don't let anyone fool you on this, the US does not have a good healthcare system.

 

[Shamoan]

considering hypertension is an "underlying health issue", thats probably not very comforting to this board.