It could get really messy

kyjeff1

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Less than what to show for them? More victories is more victories.
That being #1 is pretty telling.

Doing less with more?
You mean the top players that are 18 years old....
Well he's actually 2nd on that list
Coach k has had far better talent and done much much less.
Which tells you it's a stupid thing to do if titles is the goal.
K might be the greatest coach of all time and even he can't win it all with the best talent money can buy.
 

kyjeff1

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One day you preach that experience is everything and we need seniors, the next you say he's had the best teams and done nothing with them. Which is it?
Just one of those kind of people that can't be pleased
You don't know the difference between a veteran team and a collection of the best nba draft pick talent?
 

cats#1again

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"2020" and "best backcourt ever"… you just put those in the same sentence. You're joking right? That backcourt probably isn’t top 50 at UK.
3 guards that were really good. Probably not best ever, but certainly a tandem that is great for march
 

cats#1again

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If he managed the roster properly and didn't turn our program into an NBA farm system, he wouldn't have to be in multiple places at one time. He could actually coach his team instead of the assistants doing it.
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Cage or slipknot? Which should he use to make them stay?!?
I vote cage
 

cats#1again

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You don't know the difference between a veteran team and a collection of the best nba draft pick talent?
Of course I do

You can't say experience is the best roster
And also say a young team only is the best roster
That's what is being said when u say he's done less with more...
 

cats#1again

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Which tells you it's a stupid thing to do if titles is the goal.
K might be the greatest coach of all time and even he can't win it all with the best talent money can buy.
I don't like today's college game anymore than you do
 

kyjeff1

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3 guards that were really good. Probably not best ever, but certainly a tandem that is great for march
You said "best backcourt ever". I mean, you didn't even limit it to UK. I may not be exaggerating when I say they aren't top 50 at UK.
 
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sk73

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What exactly has been POSITIVE about this season????

Don't have to "reach" to find the NUMEROUS NEGATIVES.
I see positives in the improvement in most of our players. I see a positive in the way Cal has held this team together during great adversity. I see positives in the way players respond to each other which shows, to me, team building has occurred during tough times. I see positives in many of the people that post here . The words they use and the positive way they respond to others.

The big negative is , the team is not very good this year. We have some very good players but as a unit, we have weak parts in key positions.

A bad season also brings out the self proclaimed great coaches and administrators. I am amazed at some of their takes on the team and coach. Many of these posters do not have anything new to say but instead, post , daily, the same thing using different phrasing. The one consistent theme is gloom and doom and to some extent, extreme dislike or maybe even hatred for Cal. Also it comes across that way for a couple of our own players. I hope players and potential recruits do not read this board.
 

kyjeff1

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What do the other 349 college programs do to hang on to their players?

Is there any other program that loses multiple underclassmen to the GL or overseas every year?

When you look at the top 25 the last 5 years and you look at the teams winning titles, what do you see?

The culture at UK is "NBA, NBA, NBA, DRAFT, DRAFT, DRAFT". What do you think the culture is at Villanova, Gonzaga, Michigan, Baylor, Florida, Alabama, Michigan State, Virginia, North Carolina… .?
 

cats#1again

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You said "best backcourt ever". I mean, you didn't even limit it to UK. I may not be exaggerating when I say they aren't top 50 at UK.
Lol obviously I meant at UK
It was a dumb statement no doubt
IQ was a problem though. Maxey aswell
 

kyjeff1

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Of course I do

You can't say experience is the best roster
And also say a young team only is the best roster
That's what is being said when u say he's done less with more...
He's certainly done less with more. You can't brag about having the most first round draft picks and the most contract money, then say he didn't underachieve when he only has 1 title with all that talent.
 
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cats#1again

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What do the other 349 college programs do to hang on to their players?

Is there any other program that loses multiple underclassmen to the GL or overseas every year?

When you look at the top 25 the last 5 years and you look at the teams winning titles, what do you see?

The culture at UK is "NBA, NBA, NBA, DRAFT, DRAFT, DRAFT". What do you think the culture is at Villanova, Gonzaga, Michigan, Baylor, Florida, Alabama, Michigan State, Virginia, North Carolina… .?
Yes kids leave duke, kansas early aswell

Your top 30-40 players out of highschool come to uk or duke to go pro. That's not changing
 

cats#1again

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He's certainly done less with more. You can't brag about having the most first round draft picks and the most contract money, then say he didn't underachieve when he only has 1 title with all that talent.
If you don't understand the game you can use that against him sure
 

kyjeff1

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Yes kids leave duke, kansas early aswell

Your top 30-40 players out of highschool come to uk or duke to go pro. That's not changing
It needs to change, this is supposed to be a college program, not a fu**ing farm system. It’s stupid and it's not what a college program should be. It is what caused this mess we are in.

Why the hell does he feel the need to bring in AAU kids that are already first round draft picks and claim that he's helping kids? There are more kids that jumped and failed than he helped. He helped SGA, Richards, IQ and WCS, those 4 kids got a boost, but look at all the kids that left early and didn't make it.

This isn’t working if you aren't getting the elite talent. If Cal continues to do this ********, you can hit the bricks right along with him, Ellen.

Lastly, don't list KU and duke, especially ku, they always have upperclassmen starters. Duke has less than KU, but still more than we do.
 

UK-Chulo

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Why do people think there is some line in the sand associated with next season? I'm seeing people post stuff like "If next season isn't better then ______".
I'm saying that it doesn't matter what happens next season or even the one after that. Calipari has ALL of the power. No school, including and possibly especially UK, is going to pay what it would take to buyout Calipari's contract. To put it bluntly, UK can't afford it and the donors/boosters aren't going to fork over that kind of money either. We're looking at 5-6 years before the number comes down to a level that is even possible to consider.
The only person who can fire John Calipari...is John Calipari.
I’m sure that there is some kind of morals clause in his contract which allows for his dismissal without the buyout.

IMO having a losing record at he University of Kentucky is immoral.
 

mrhotdice

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Why is Alabama football so good? Because if a coach wins a title, he’s expected to win another and another, and another. And if he doesn’t, the fans fire them and hire another coach, and if that one fails, they fire that one as well. But no Bama coach gets to stay because of how many players goes to the NFL. Wake up folks.
 

wildcatdon

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Two things that trouble me greatly. Cal never has two high quality point guards on the roster. It’s imperative that we have that. The second thing is how can a HOF coach be doing this as his job for years and not know how to coach a zone offense or defense. He cost us the game yesterday and numerous other games by failing to attack a zone defense in the proper way. It is truly preposterous. Makes me ill. Something has to change immediately. I hope Mitch is paying real close attention. I bet he is.
 
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cats#1again

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It needs to change, this is supposed to be a college program, not a fu**ing farm system. It’s stupid and it's not what a college program should be. It is what caused this mess we are in.

Why the hell does he feel the need to bring in AAU kids that are already first round draft picks and claim that he's helping kids? There are more kids that jumped and failed than he helped. He helped SGA, Richards, IQ and WCS, those 4 kids got a boost, but look at all the kids that left early and didn't make it.

This isn’t working if you aren't getting the elite talent. If Cal continues to do this ********, you can hit the bricks right along with him, Ellen.

Lastly, don't list KU and duke, especially ku, they always have upperclassmen starters. Duke has less than KU, but still more than we do.
What do the other 349 college programs do to hang on to their players?

Is there any other program that loses multiple underclassmen to the GL or overseas every year?

When you look at the top 25 the last 5 years and you look at the teams winning titles, what do you see?

The culture at UK is "NBA, NBA, NBA, DRAFT, DRAFT, DRAFT". What do you think the culture is at Villanova, Gonzaga, Michigan, Baylor, Florida, Alabama, Michigan State, Virginia, North Carolina… .?
Virginia and Nova both had a great recruiting class for 2 seasons and it worked out for them. To be the best year in and year out you have to be different. Have talent that can be Coached to a higher level. Nobody has been more consistent than uk ,including since 2016.
If you want to be mediocre root for Nova or virginia
 

stoneycat_20

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Mitch is not in control of Cal.He's lower in the pecking order..We have the dumbest fans..Cal has won as many or more NCAAT games and any coach in the country..He gets a 100% pass this year..now if next season is a 10-12 loss team his seat will get warm
 

cats#1again

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Why is Alabama football so good? Because if a coach wins a title, he’s expected to win another and another, and another. And if he doesn’t, the fans fire them and hire another coach, and if that one fails, they fire that one as well. But no Bama coach gets to stay because of how many players goes to the NFL. Wake up folks.
Bama wasn't good for years before Saban got there.
One year in the 90's
 

cats#1again

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So, you think our 2020 backcourt could be "the best ever" and you think I don't understand the game??????????????
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I think we are one great playmaker from being a top 5 team. A Brandon Knight type scorer.
All of our games were close and we've struggled this bad.
One guy who is a dog changed everything

Heck Maxey would have
 

kyjeff1

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Virginia and Nova both had a great recruiting class for 2 seasons and it worked out for them. To be the best year in and year out you have to be different. Have talent that can be Coached to a higher level. Nobody has been more consistent than uk ,including since 2016.
If you want to be mediocre root for Nova or virginia
Villanova and Virginia had "good" recruiting classes, which is what you should do, but they never had to reload an entire roster. They won their titles with upperclassmen that they developed for 3+ years. Nice try though.

If you are going to do this one-and-done crap, you better get the biggest of the big fish, Cal is not getting them, so continuing to do it when all you're getting are project players, is stupid.
 

kyjeff1

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So, you think our 2020 backcourt could be "the best ever" and you think I don't understand the game??????????????
I think we are one great playmaker from being a top 5 team. A Brandon Knight type scorer.
All of our games were close and we've struggled this bad.
One guy who is a dog changed everything

Heck Maxey would have
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You're out of your mind. This roster is a complete jumbled up mess. One player ain't fixing this. Jackson and Mintz are the only UK level players, the rest are projects in diffetent phases of development.
 
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cats#1again

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I think we are one great playmaker from being a top 5 team. A Brandon Knight type scorer.
All of our games were close and we've struggled this bad.
One guy who is a dog changed everything

Heck Maxey would have
You're out of your mind. This roster is a complete jumbled up mess. One player ain't fixing this. Jackson and Mintz are the only UK level players, the rest are projects in diffetent phases of development.
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Then how has every game been 3 or 4 points?
Sure a couple early were more, majority have been close games.
I could honestly respect your opinion until you just said that.
There's several good players on this team we just lack a pg. It's night and day having a guy who's confident with the ball and lead a team. Every player on the team would benefit greatly.
 
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1. I get tired of hearing Peevey as an issue with the b-ball team. He was the freaking assistant to the athletic director for pete's sake. Outside of making up Cal's cushy schedule on offseason...what does he really do to make the team better or worse?
2. Payne is a loss I'll concede. But IMO assistants in football are way more vital in certain positions than basketball assistants unless he is an ace recruiter....which Kenny was not our ace recruiter. Kenny is a helluva bigman coach.
3. Mitch just gave an extension to Nick Mangione for 4 years who had done squat for last 3 years....on top of his lifetime contract to Cal.


What evidence is there if any that UK is going to do squat with Cal for foreseeable future....I say he plays out the next 3 years and we'll see how it pans out is the best we can do.
Peevey was more or less the AD for basketball
 

NavyCat88

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One day you preach that experience is everything and we need seniors, the next you say he's had the best teams and done nothing with them. Which is it?
Just one of those kind of people that can't be pleased
Simple, he has had the most talent without enough mature senior/junior leadership to push him over the top in tough tourney games. His model requires him catching lightning in a bottle twice a year. 1st to recruit overwhelming talent and 2nd to develop a bunch of freshmen into a team that can beat 4-to-6 more experienced teams in the NCAA tournament. It has to be overwhelming talent because history shows HC isn’t a good enough bench coach to win against equal talent or only moderately talented teams with senior/junior players.
GBB!
 

cats#1again

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Simple, he has had the most talent without enough mature senior/junior leadership to push him over the top in tough tourney games. His model requires him catching lightning in a bottle twice a year. 1st to recruit overwhelming talent and 2nd to develop a bunch of freshmen into a team that can beat 4-to-6 more experienced teams in the NCAA tournament. It has to be overwhelming talent because history shows HC isn’t a good enough bench coach to win against equal talent or only moderately talented teams with senior/junior players.
GBB!
Lol ok
History has shown that he's won more than any other "model" has
 

cats#1again

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Simple, he has had the most talent without enough mature senior/junior leadership to push him over the top in tough tourney games. His model requires him catching lightning in a bottle twice a year. 1st to recruit overwhelming talent and 2nd to develop a bunch of freshmen into a team that can beat 4-to-6 more experienced teams in the NCAA tournament. It has to be overwhelming talent because history shows HC isn’t a good enough bench coach to win against equal talent or only moderately talented teams with senior/junior players.
GBB!
You're shitting out your mouth and back side.
Done less with more is you saying he's had the best rosters. Period.
Except for when you want older less talented players you then say those young kids aren't good enough.
 

NavyCat88

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Lol ok
History has shown that he's won more than any other "model" has
Lot's of people have won one-in-a-row. HC is a model of "Coaching OAD"....One (championship) And Done. Barring a paradigm shift on his part, he will never win another.

GBB!
 

TankedCat

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I’m sure that there is some kind of morals clause in his contract which allows for his dismissal without the buyout.

IMO having a losing record at he University of Kentucky is immoral.
Cal's contract does require him to take responsibility for student and fan attendance at games. However its not written in the just cause section.

Outside of that, his contract stipulates that he has to take direction from Mitch, so Mitch would have the leverage to come in and demand he fire his coaching staff, he stop recruiting OADs, whatever and if Cal refused it would be a form of employee insubordination.

The remainder of his just cause section is almost entirely tied to their fear of him being Memphis or UMass Cal. It relates to him bringing the NCAA in here and getting us into trouble.

However I seriously doubt Mitch, even with this train wreck of a season, will address either of those first two with Cal.
 
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kyjeff1

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You're out of your mind. This roster is a complete jumbled up mess. One player ain't fixing this. Jackson and Mintz are the only UK level players, the rest are projects in diffetent phases of development.
Then how has every game been 3 or 4 points?
Sure a couple early were more, majority have been close games.
I could honestly respect your opinion until you just said that.
There's several good players on this team we just lack a pg. It's night and day having a guy who's confident with the ball and lead a team. Every player on the team would benefit greatly.
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You act like we have played a bunch of top 5 teams. We have kept games close, sure, but welcome to conference play, usually those are close games.

Yeah, we have a top 10 SOS, but that's because we haven't played Evansville this year.

it’s one thing to play close games with Vanderbilt and Florida, but we haven't played a single team in the top 10. Give me a break.

You can take your lack of respect for my opinion and shove it, you lost all credibility when you stated our 2020 backcourt might be the best ever.

It’s been proven for months that you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm just trying to get you to understand what is happening right in front of your face.
 

cats#1again

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Then how has every game been 3 or 4 points?
Sure a couple early were more, majority have been close games.
I could honestly respect your opinion until you just said that.
There's several good players on this team we just lack a pg. It's night and day having a guy who's confident with the ball and lead a team. Every player on the team would benefit greatly.
You act like we have played a bunch of top 5 teams. We have kept games close, sure, but welcome to conference play, usually those are close games.

Yeah, we have a top 10 SOS, but that's because we haven't played Evansville this year.

it’s one thing to play close games with Vanderbilt and Florida, but we haven't played a single team in the top 10. Give me a break.

You can take your lack of respect for my opinion and shove it, you lost all credibility when you stated our 2020 backcourt might be the best ever.

It’s been proven for months that you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm just trying to get you to understand what is happening right in front of your face.
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You just made that up aswell.
If we lose most games by 4 points
A guy that can avg 5 more pts per game than askew would have made those w's
Agree or disagree?
You like most on here look at everything as it's played on paper, not the actual product. You see a number for our record and just ramble on about that.
Sure we have been bad this season but we are in every game with a chance to win. It's more of confidence in knowing how to win that holds the guys back more so than anything they are doing wrong.
Just remember this.... No team is perfect. No game is perfect. We have looked bad on offense but our defense has gave us the chance to win.
One player could have easily been the difference this year.
I appreciate your lack of understanding, I hate to see you be do miserable for the next 5/6 seasons. Enjoy your great team and coach. He loves coaching your team
 

kyjeff1

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You act like we have played a bunch of top 5 teams. We have kept games close, sure, but welcome to conference play, usually those are close games.

Yeah, we have a top 10 SOS, but that's because we haven't played Evansville this year.

it’s one thing to play close games with Vanderbilt and Florida, but we haven't played a single team in the top 10. Give me a break.

You can take your lack of respect for my opinion and shove it, you lost all credibility when you stated our 2020 backcourt might be the best ever.

It’s been proven for months that you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm just trying to get you to understand what is happening right in front of your face.
You just made that up aswell.
If we lose most games by 4 points
A guy that can avg 5 more pts per game than askew would have made those w's
Agree or disagree?
You like most on here look at everything as it's played on paper, not the actual product. You see a number for our record and just ramble on about that.
Sure we have been bad this season but we are in every game with a chance to win. It's more of confidence in knowing how to win that holds the guys back more so than anything they are doing wrong.
Just remember this.... No team is perfect. No game is perfect. We have looked bad on offense but our defense has gave us the chance to win.
One player could have easily been the difference this year.
I appreciate your lack of understanding, I hate to see you be do miserable for the next 5/6 seasons. Enjoy your great team and coach. He loves coaching your team
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My jeopardy response to this horse ****:

What is, things that Indiana fans say, Alex
 

cats#1again

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You just made that up aswell.
If we lose most games by 4 points
A guy that can avg 5 more pts per game than askew would have made those w's
Agree or disagree?
You like most on here look at everything as it's played on paper, not the actual product. You see a number for our record and just ramble on about that.
Sure we have been bad this season but we are in every game with a chance to win. It's more of confidence in knowing how to win that holds the guys back more so than anything they are doing wrong.
Just remember this.... No team is perfect. No game is perfect. We have looked bad on offense but our defense has gave us the chance to win.
One player could have easily been the difference this year.
I appreciate your lack of understanding, I hate to see you be do miserable for the next 5/6 seasons. Enjoy your great team and coach. He loves coaching your team
My jeopardy response to this horse ****:

What is, things that Indiana fans say, Alex
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I knew I was right. Smh


Possibly. The difference is we have a coach that will make it happen. On bended knee